Moving the New 360 Can Damage Disks

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Marmooset

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Hafnium said:
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If you're stupid enough to move your Xbox while it's spinning up you deserve what's coming to you.
I agree. Do the other consoles not do this? I would think that it was common knowledge to not move a console while it's working. If I pushed my pc over with a spinning disk in, I'd be amazed if nothing broke.

Conclusion: Don't be stupid, and don't place a console on a surface where it's easily knocked down.
Sorry, this logic doesn't hold. No, one should not move their console while it's playing. But dismissing the issue is something like a car company responding to a faulty airbag issue by saying "well, you shouldn't drive into things!"

The technology to at least ameliorate the effects of accidental motion is out there. It just cuts into profits.
 

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35-40°C huh. So your home is regularly 95-104°F. And you don't own an air conditioner or any other electrical device. I hate to break it to you, but most manufacturers of commercial electronics don't consider the needs of equatorial regions when prototyping.

Also, I'd like to know what magical device you have in mind that can cancel the effects of rotational inertia. It could also prove or utterly destroy a multitude of scientific theories.
Do you even read or understand what I write? I didn't say anything about it being 35° regularly...I consider it fairly warm...a bit too much for my taste, but it does happen in summer...40° was the safety margin...since you cannot ensure it to always be below 35°...sure, the same goes for 40°, but that is by far more unlikely...

Also I have mentioned the Conservation of Angular momentum at least twice in this thread and I calculated the Momentum for a CD (or rather something similar with the entire mass concentrated in the rim...but the Momentum of a CD is lower...and I didn't want to integrate...) to be 225 µJs....that is 0.000225 Js...doesn't get much lower in everyday physics...turning that would not be any effort at all...as the Wikipedia Article cited...some 25 cent per console...
 

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Marmooset said:
Hafnium said:
Programmed_For_Damage said:
If you're stupid enough to move your Xbox while it's spinning up you deserve what's coming to you.
I agree. Do the other consoles not do this? I would think that it was common knowledge to not move a console while it's working. If I pushed my pc over with a spinning disk in, I'd be amazed if nothing broke.

Conclusion: Don't be stupid, and don't place a console on a surface where it's easily knocked down.
Sorry, this logic doesn't hold. No, one should not move their console while it's playing. But dismissing the issue is something like a car company responding to a faulty airbag issue by saying "well, you shouldn't drive into things!"

The technology to at least ameliorate the effects of accidental motion is out there. It just cuts into profits.
Fair points, but some people are talking about it like this is a disgrace and something that could be easily fixed. It's not very good of course, and I'm not getting an Xbox anyway.
 

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this is the same with any electronic that doesn't have a snap in cd/dvd/blue ray drive. No different then anything else.

People get real and stop bashing a product that isn't intended to be moved during use.
 

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tghm1801 said:
FAIL, MICROSOFT. FAIL.
I mean, they may have fixed the Red Ring of Death issue, but isn't this worse?
However, I suppose most people don't really move their 360s whilst it's playing a disk.
unless the disk is clipped in of course moving the console will damage it. I mean did anyone try moving their regular 360 while the disk was moving? I guess not since people are saying this is a fail. My 360 when I first got it i had it on the floor in front of my tv while playing GRAW and my dog knocked it over when it was standing up and i had to get a new one. My dad had it sitting on a chair while playing Guitar Hero 2 and it fell off and had to get a new one.


Like seriously if this is the only complaint about the Slim then its not a complaint at all.
 

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This surprises me. It's surprising because the last xbox 360 I used killed my disks while it was just sitting there. No movement, nothing. Has the issue been resolved somewhat with the new versions, then? I think Microsoft just sucks at making those trays. There's nothing holding it in like Sony puts on the Playstation2 and Discman and whatever, so I always thought it was a bad idea to set it sideways at all to begin with ...
 

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wait... people are complaining about this... how many times have you needed to move your console whilst playing a game? A bigger point would be why do you need to?
 

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NickCooley said:
I wouldn't call this a microsoft fail, sounds like common sense to me. But of course there are plenty of fuck wits out there so common sense seems to be in short supply.
I agree with this completely. I would've thought the whole "fragile moving parts" thing would make people think twice. Why would you urgently need to shift your Xbox without just taking 30seconds to turn it off first? Are you playing in the back of the coach in "The Italian Job"?

Slow news day, escapist?
 

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The only way I could see this as being Microsoft's fault would be if they were to telling us, "Well, if you don't want the discs scratched, don't put them in the console!" This is common sense, especially since it's a console that is designed to rest both vertically and horizontally and isn't, you know, a cube.
 
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John Funk said:
Wow, it's almost like moving a sensitive piece of electronics that has a thin piece of plastic spinning at thousands of RPM is a bad idea or something...
You mean I can't shake my 360 from side to side so that my games can have faster load times? So that's why all my games are useless! /sarcasm

I just can't put myself into the mindset of someone who thinks moving their 360 while a game is inside is a good idea. I just fail to see how that could even come close to being a remotely good idea. All those people who think it is deserve those scratched discs.
 

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Hafnium said:
Marmooset said:
Hafnium said:
Programmed_For_Damage said:
If you're stupid enough to move your Xbox while it's spinning up you deserve what's coming to you.
I agree. Do the other consoles not do this? I would think that it was common knowledge to not move a console while it's working. If I pushed my pc over with a spinning disk in, I'd be amazed if nothing broke.

Conclusion: Don't be stupid, and don't place a console on a surface where it's easily knocked down.
Sorry, this logic doesn't hold. No, one should not move their console while it's playing. But dismissing the issue is something like a car company responding to a faulty airbag issue by saying "well, you shouldn't drive into things!"

The technology to at least ameliorate the effects of accidental motion is out there. It just cuts into profits.
Fair points, but some people are talking about it like this is a disgrace and something that could be easily fixed. It's not very good of course, and I'm not getting an Xbox anyway.
I definitely see your point on the level of outrage. I think people are just used to the lottery that was the red ring, so any flaw is treated with equal weight.

Me, I was spoiled by the old Sega. You could take that, toss it into the wall after a 9-8 OT loss to your smuggest friend, blow on the cartridge a couple of times, and be ready for the next match.
 

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Ren3004 said:
I suppose that other consoles don't have this problem...?
I usually stand my PS3 up on its side to save space. It's actually probably really bad, because it has toppled over more than once while playing a game. But it's ok, I stand it right back up again and it just goes on playing.
I don't know why the people at Microsoft have so much trouble fixing it. Why does it cut into the CD? Does the 360 have small knife-points sitting millimetres away from the disc while it's spinning?
 

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As long as you keep retarded people away from the console this shouldn't be an issue.

Andronicus said:
Ren3004 said:
I suppose that other consoles don't have this problem...?
I usually stand my PS3 up on its side to save space. It's actually probably really bad, because it has toppled over more than once while playing a game. But it's ok, I stand it right back up again and it just goes on playing.
I don't know why the people at Microsoft have so much trouble fixing it. Why does it cut into the CD? Does the 360 have small knife-points sitting millimetres away from the disc while it's spinning?
There is nothing holding the disk in place on the 360 so if you move it the disk can slide out of the tray and then... bad things happen.
 

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This was a problem with the old 360. Anyway, who moves their consoles while a disc is inside? That's just asking for trouble.
 

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Wait really? I thought this applied to all Xbox 360s. Which is to say- mine has done this.
 

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scotth266 said:
Yes, accidents happen. But with the right amount of planning accidentally bumping your console should be a non-issue. For instance, my family puts all the consoles in the same area (with enough space in-between to allow for heat venting), and we don't even stack them vertically (similar reasons.) This location is sufficiently out of the way and around neck height, so accidents basically just can't happen.
But accidents do happen, no matter how hard you prepare for them, and not everyone has the luxury of free space for their consoles. I put my PS3 and Wii on a shelf underneath my TV and my PS2 on the shelf underneath that, so it's pretty exposed, but their damn durable. Any electronic should be resilient to wear and tear. It happens.

Besides, we're not talking about accidental moving, we're talking about deliberately moving the thing while it is powered on, and has a disk in it. That's just being careless.
Yeah, I know, I'm not arguing there, I completely agree with you on that behalf. I'm just saying if the circumstance was different then it's more on the fault of Microsoft than the consumer.

For all I know, my family's DVD player/PS3/Wii/etc allows you to move it around with the disk spinning in it. You still wouldn't catch me trying it under any circumstances. I don't care how long it takes: you remove the disk, turn the device off, unplug it and THEN move it.
Sometimes it's a slip of the mind and people don't think for two seconds, like I said, shit, or variations thereof, happens. It's just not a good if any movement of the console causes it to spazz and mistake the disc for a pizza needing to be cut.