Murders' of Goth have their sentences reduced, WTF!?
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There was a Nazi death camp head guard famed for curbstomping his victims who only got 23 years; this was one of the harsher sentences. Anyone else think this might be similar, i.e. resulting from trial by one's actual peers as it were?
Oh, and I'm an American quite familiar with the term "chav", but I've been thoroughly embritished.
Oh, and I'm an American quite familiar with the term "chav", but I've been thoroughly embritished.
I've always found that the easiest deterrent against being mugged was being two metres tall, heavy and psychotic-looking....which I realise is not a viable option for a lot of you guys. So, the Fondant guide to self-defence:
1. Run for it. If confronted by anyone who looks dangerous, then run for your life. Thankfully, most crackheads don't have much wind.
2. Travel in groups: 3 is the minimum. While this pretty much ruins any potential for romance (unless your the sharing type), it also reduces the chance of you being jumped.
3. If cornered, hand over your wallet and mobile phone. If often helps to have a 'decoy' wallet with about 10-15 pounds and a fake bank card in it.
4. If cornered, fight dirty. Don't bother with Jackie-Chan bolloucks- headbutts, eye gouges, groin shots and broken limbs are the way to go.
5. Carry a blade IF ABSOLUTELY NECCESARY. However, the following rules apply:
A) Don't use it unless your outnumbered, they pull a knife or your protecting your woman.
B) If stopped and searched, present it to the police officer immediately, state that you are carrying it purely for your own safety, apologise if you have broken any laws (plead ignorance) and accept the fact that you're going to be needing a new knife.
C) If you injure someone, call an ambulance. I know that you really want to leave them to bleed to death, but Her Majesty's governemt frowns upon such actions. It makes the streets look messy and makes the police look silly.
And when I look at the murderers....I see a very good reason for killing off a proportion of the UK's population. Problem is, the Queen would never sign off on it.
1. Run for it. If confronted by anyone who looks dangerous, then run for your life. Thankfully, most crackheads don't have much wind.
2. Travel in groups: 3 is the minimum. While this pretty much ruins any potential for romance (unless your the sharing type), it also reduces the chance of you being jumped.
3. If cornered, hand over your wallet and mobile phone. If often helps to have a 'decoy' wallet with about 10-15 pounds and a fake bank card in it.
4. If cornered, fight dirty. Don't bother with Jackie-Chan bolloucks- headbutts, eye gouges, groin shots and broken limbs are the way to go.
5. Carry a blade IF ABSOLUTELY NECCESARY. However, the following rules apply:
A) Don't use it unless your outnumbered, they pull a knife or your protecting your woman.
B) If stopped and searched, present it to the police officer immediately, state that you are carrying it purely for your own safety, apologise if you have broken any laws (plead ignorance) and accept the fact that you're going to be needing a new knife.
C) If you injure someone, call an ambulance. I know that you really want to leave them to bleed to death, but Her Majesty's governemt frowns upon such actions. It makes the streets look messy and makes the police look silly.
And when I look at the murderers....I see a very good reason for killing off a proportion of the UK's population. Problem is, the Queen would never sign off on it.
Every single story like this just encourages me that the people in my household would be more fit to lead the country than the idiots there now.
Screw it, I'm gonna be Prime Minister and sort this shit out.
Screw it, I'm gonna be Prime Minister and sort this shit out.
I don't know, the money wasted on that particular demographic (Directly or indirectly) could be spent on drafting them and supporting them through the military. At least that way we would have the manpower to make some significant gains in the current active warzones like Afganistan.Fondant said:
they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.beddo said:
kanada514 said:Yes, but then, someone would go old testament on you for murdering the murderer. And then..Killerbunny001 said:I wish we would still go old testament style on the assholes who commit murder. This way there is no appeal after 15 years
See where it's going?
The problem with our society is that it has no way of dealing with criminals.
Prisons are crime universities. The people coming out of prisons cannot be re-integrated in normal life, so they commit more crimes.
We need to prevent crime. Not react after the crime has been commited. An impossible task.
Bible wise (and I am no expert) there is no penalty for applying the law. In this case an Eye for an Eye.
"Preventing crime" doesn`t sound very democratic if we are both thinking in the same direction...
After reading this post all i can say is remember when people would tie a guys limbs to horses then have them take off?? what was wrong with that???beddo said:
Probably wouldn't hurt if we sent all the criminal chav's off to war
And of course once the war is over, we could just forget where we left them ;-)
Make benefits only for those that actually need/deserve it, not for those that just don't feel like working.
And of course once the war is over, we could just forget where we left them ;-)
Make benefits only for those that actually need/deserve it, not for those that just don't feel like working.
Coupla stupid ignorant, scare-mongering cock bags. Capital Punishment's too good for 'em. I really hope they have a lot of fun in the showers, if the UK's prison system is like the US's, they will.
Interestingly, I went through an emo phase when I was 13 and I still follow the music today but i didn't get much attitude for it. I guess it depends where you live or something.
Still, I agree, the UK needs a serious reworking of the legal system. Murder should be a minimum of 25 years dependent on the circumstances. I don't believe in capital punishment but it seems to one of the few systems that works.
Still, I agree, the UK needs a serious reworking of the legal system. Murder should be a minimum of 25 years dependent on the circumstances. I don't believe in capital punishment but it seems to one of the few systems that works.
There's little I hate more then mob attacks. It's not only assault/murder, but it's fucking cowardly.
You kill in such a despicable way? Life in prison. And not the resort prison either. Send those fuckers to Oz.
You kill in such a despicable way? Life in prison. And not the resort prison either. Send those fuckers to Oz.
*sigh* There is no way that this is NOT a disgrace to humanity. No possible way of viewing it. But then, what else is new? The establishment does not care about you if you are different from those in power. This is true everywhere.
Case in point:
In Milwaukee, a few months before Jeffrey Dahmer was finally caught, two police officers found an injured fourteen-year-old Korean boy wandering the streets with dangerous levels of intoxicants in his system. The boy had several wounds, was bleeding from his rectum, and had a hole in his skull where Dahmer had actually drilled into his head.
Dahmer approached the police and said the boy was nineteen years old and they had had a lover's quarrel. At this time, Dahmer was already a convicted sex offender, but the cops didn't bother checking. They ignored the boy's story of what had been going on, and returned the boy to Dahmer, asking Dahmer to promise to take care of him.
Dahmer took care of him, all right. He butchered yet another boy.
Oh, but it gets even better. When he was finally caught several months later, the two officers in question found they had been caught on audiotape making homophobic remarks and joking about "uniting the couple." But that's not the best part. When it was discovered what they had done, they were thankfully fired from being officers... and when they appealed their termination, they were reinstated, with back pay, and named Officers of the Year by the policeman's union.
Fun, huh?
Case in point:
In Milwaukee, a few months before Jeffrey Dahmer was finally caught, two police officers found an injured fourteen-year-old Korean boy wandering the streets with dangerous levels of intoxicants in his system. The boy had several wounds, was bleeding from his rectum, and had a hole in his skull where Dahmer had actually drilled into his head.
Dahmer approached the police and said the boy was nineteen years old and they had had a lover's quarrel. At this time, Dahmer was already a convicted sex offender, but the cops didn't bother checking. They ignored the boy's story of what had been going on, and returned the boy to Dahmer, asking Dahmer to promise to take care of him.
Dahmer took care of him, all right. He butchered yet another boy.
Oh, but it gets even better. When he was finally caught several months later, the two officers in question found they had been caught on audiotape making homophobic remarks and joking about "uniting the couple." But that's not the best part. When it was discovered what they had done, they were thankfully fired from being officers... and when they appealed their termination, they were reinstated, with back pay, and named Officers of the Year by the policeman's union.
Fun, huh?
God, just look at those pictures.. They look like stereotypical thugs.
I seriously don't understand why people kill each other (especially in western countries where you most definitely *will* be caught).. Not only do they kill someone, robbing them off their life, they harm their families and friends quite badly too. Not to mention that they have to serve half their lives in prison, afterwards.
So, what do we have? 1 dead girl, grieving friends and family and a couple of thugs who have just thrown away their lives. Good luck fitting in with society after you come out (if you haven't committed suicide already!), getting a job, getting a life.. It's all out of the window.
Good. Job.
I seriously don't understand why people kill each other (especially in western countries where you most definitely *will* be caught).. Not only do they kill someone, robbing them off their life, they harm their families and friends quite badly too. Not to mention that they have to serve half their lives in prison, afterwards.
So, what do we have? 1 dead girl, grieving friends and family and a couple of thugs who have just thrown away their lives. Good luck fitting in with society after you come out (if you haven't committed suicide already!), getting a job, getting a life.. It's all out of the window.
Good. Job.
I the U.S. that very often will only get you a 4-8 year sentence called "man-slaughter", and in Texas where I live (we are kind of known for our love of capital punishment) it is near impossible to get a death sentence unless you kill somebody in the act of committing another crime. Is their special rules in the U.K. about the sentencing due to the age of the killer (I really know nothing about how that works in the U.K.)?
My heart hurts now.Sylocat post=18.75367.866036 said:
My idea is to walk around with some strong rat poison (or something to that effect) in a liquor bottle. Wait until one of the punks (chavs) decides to swipe it or bully it from you. The rest writes itself.
They were 16 y/o's that were beating someone up and then beat his girlfriend up so savagely that they killed her. That's extremely messed up. . . but we are seeing 9 months taken off a minimum sentence of 16 years. This 16 y/o will be a 32 y/o by the time he gets out anyway. That's the entirety of his youth.
Anyone who doesn't think that is a huge punishment, is simply wrong. Prisons serve three purposes: rehabilitation, punishment, and societal protection (when criminals cannot be rehabilitated). Clearly, 16 years is much longer than is needed to rehabilitate a 16 y/o who savagely beat a girl up to the point she died as in most cases that could be done within a few years of counseling (and if the girl had not died they'd probably be out on probation here in the US with required counseling). So he'll get rehabilitated for two or three of those years, but fourteen of them will simply be punishment. He will have been punished as long as he previous life up to that point.
Properly rehabilitated criminals are not usually repeat offenders. A few poorer states still just do "catch-and-release" prisons that have no rehabilitation programs and simply cycle bad guys in and out of their jail systems, but most approach it more scientifically and commercially (with an eye to saving money as rehab is far cheaper to the state than imprisonment).
But we still do punishment anyway. Studies have shown that people willing to commit violent crimes are not worried about the punishment, so it isn't a scientific punishment. Instead, it is merely a way to grant a measure of revenge to victims. I'm not bashing this as victims deserve their revenge and it often prevents unstable victims from exacting it themselves.
Anyone who doesn't think that is a huge punishment, is simply wrong. Prisons serve three purposes: rehabilitation, punishment, and societal protection (when criminals cannot be rehabilitated). Clearly, 16 years is much longer than is needed to rehabilitate a 16 y/o who savagely beat a girl up to the point she died as in most cases that could be done within a few years of counseling (and if the girl had not died they'd probably be out on probation here in the US with required counseling). So he'll get rehabilitated for two or three of those years, but fourteen of them will simply be punishment. He will have been punished as long as he previous life up to that point.
Properly rehabilitated criminals are not usually repeat offenders. A few poorer states still just do "catch-and-release" prisons that have no rehabilitation programs and simply cycle bad guys in and out of their jail systems, but most approach it more scientifically and commercially (with an eye to saving money as rehab is far cheaper to the state than imprisonment).
But we still do punishment anyway. Studies have shown that people willing to commit violent crimes are not worried about the punishment, so it isn't a scientific punishment. Instead, it is merely a way to grant a measure of revenge to victims. I'm not bashing this as victims deserve their revenge and it often prevents unstable victims from exacting it themselves.