Music = Lyrics?

[sizzle949]

I remember back in english class how whenever we did a poetry unit everyone seemed to hate it so much. There were always those gangstar kids and the "popular clique" who went on and on about how much poetry sucks, which in a way strikes me as odd. I mean, here are these people who listen to "music" that has basically no musical talent, but just some pretty lyrics, and that's all they need to like the song. Well then why not just ditch the background noise, label it poetry, and stop insulting real musicians by calling your work music? Hell alot of the music I listen to has either no lyrics or maybe 2 minutes worth in an 8 minute song.

 

[Ryokugax]

No. No. No. No. One thousand times NO.

Look at Nirvana. Look at the Beatles. Their lyrics are designed to be impenetrable to the nonsense scrutiny. "Oh it means this, oh it means that". These people wanted everyone to shut up a minute and listen to the damn music.

 

[lostclause]

I'm not particularly fond of poetry myself, mainly because I find it often too hard to understand rather than any flaw with the poems. But music can be far from poetry or fairly close. You can have symphonies that depict a story (Roman myths are popular in this for some reason) with no words at all and you can have Opera, which is still far from poetry and much closer to theatre, or you can have modern music which is a middle ground almost. The thing is that poetry is often judged by meaning whilst music can be judged by either that or by how pleasant it is to listen to.

 

[zen5887]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

 

[Clashero]

The lyrics are very important. Any opera worth the price of the ticket has excellent lyrics to go along.

I do love poetry. I love analyzing every line in scrutiny, looking for references and techniques the poet uses, etc. It's nice to see poems adapted to song (Björk did this with one song: The Dull Flame of Desire)

 

[Stalk3rchief]

First off, whoever mentioned Nirvana is now not a man. And it was indeed a women, than now it's a child. If was a small girl-child, it's now a small plague cat.

I'm not to sure how to respond to this, I've been a huge fan of music AND poetry my entire life.
Believe it or not, Job for a Cowboy and other metal bands have very intricate and poetic lyrics, they only get put down because the non-metal ilk of the world can't understand it. I think it's a medical condition, not sure though.

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

 

[zen5887]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ahah, what an insightful post.

I can call you a blue fish but until I get some proof no one is going to believe it.

So please, enlighten me as to why you think I am an idiot.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Music does not necessarily equal lyrics, but you can have music with only vocals.

I know how you feel, I think we've all been there. I think lyrical content in music is important when lyrics are present; I'd rather have "Moonlight shines on the soft brown earth, it leads me to where you lay..." than "SUPASOAK DAT HOE!". Although I also really like a lot of non-lyrical music. Have you heard of Keiko Matsui?

 

[Psychopomp]

Poetry is great, I write it all the time. Sometimes I'll go through my old writings (I have notebooks full) and I turn them into lyrics.

 

[Hexenwolf]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

Could you elaborate?

First off, whoever mentioned Nirvana is now not a man. And it was indeed a women, than now it's a child. If was a small girl-child, it's now a small plague cat.

I'm not to sure how to respond to this, I've been a huge fan of music AND poetry my entire life.
Believe it or not, Job for a Cowboy and other metal bands have very intricate and poetic lyrics, they only get put down because the non-metal ilk of the world can't understand it. I think it's a medical condition, not sure though.

I think you completely missed what the OP said. He was annoyed that so many people were unhappy with poetry while listening to music that without the accompanyment would be poetry. You and him are both saying the same thing (that a lot of music's lyrics are a form of poetry). You may have mentioned different genres, but the idea is the same.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ummm....
HOW is he an idiot? His post makes perfect sense. Do you care to explain yourself on why you think he's an idiot?

 

[101194]

No. No. No. No. One thousand times NO.

Look at Nirvana. Look at the Beatles. Their lyrics are designed to be impenetrable to the nonsense scrutiny. "Oh it means this, oh it means that". These people wanted everyone to shut up a minute and listen to the damn music.

Beatles: "Nothing is real and Nothing to get hop about."

Take it a thousand ways, But music is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ummm....
HOW is he an idiot? His post makes perfect sense. Do you care to explain yourself on why you think he's an idiot?

Surely. Hip-hop = poerty?
I think not. Half the time Hip-Hop artists either slurr words or make up new ones entirely just to make a 'ryhme'.
Also, him saying the whole 'suprise suprise' thing is just annoying. I hate people like him.
Let me guess, now someone will say how they hate people like me?
I know =D
Makes waking up in the morning that much better for me.

 

[Stalk3rchief]

First off, whoever mentioned Nirvana is now not a man. And it was indeed a women, than now it's a child. If was a small girl-child, it's now a small plague cat.

I'm not to sure how to respond to this, I've been a huge fan of music AND poetry my entire life.
Believe it or not, Job for a Cowboy and other metal bands have very intricate and poetic lyrics, they only get put down because the non-metal ilk of the world can't understand it. I think it's a medical condition, not sure though.

I think you completely missed what the OP said. He was annoyed that so many people were unhappy with poetry while listening to music that with the accompanyment would be poetry. You and him are both saying the same thing (that a lot of music's lyrics are a form of poetry). You may have mentioned different genres, but the idea is the same.[/quote]

Ooh.
o.o
Sometimes I read things wrong, it happens to everyone at some point I'm sure.
=/
In which case I have to agree with him, people need to stop bashing poetry. It's the reason we have music in the first place.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ummm....
HOW is he an idiot? His post makes perfect sense. Do you care to explain yourself on why you think he's an idiot?

Surely. Hip-hop = poerty?
I think not. Half the time Hip-Hop artists either slurr words or make up new ones entirely just to make a 'ryhme'.
Also, him saying the whole 'suprise suprise' thing is just annoying. I hate people like him.
Let me guess, now someone will say how they hate people like me?
I know =D
Makes waking up in the morning that much better for me.

Hmmm....
Half the time "Rock" isn't Led Zeppelin. Half the time it's Blink 182, Brokencyde, and Coldplay.

Just like crappy rock doesn't ruin ALL rock, crappy Hip-Hop doesn't ruin ALL Hip-Hop. I can name plenty of intelligent rappers who's lyrics aren't all about "Slappin' Ho'z" and "Killin' Snitches".

Just because you don't completely understand a genre doesn't mean you should go around with bullcrap ideas. Instead you should listen, and try to understand. It'd be better for everyone in the long run.

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ummm....
HOW is he an idiot? His post makes perfect sense. Do you care to explain yourself on why you think he's an idiot?

Surely. Hip-hop = poerty?
I think not. Half the time Hip-Hop artists either slurr words or make up new ones entirely just to make a 'ryhme'.
Also, him saying the whole 'suprise suprise' thing is just annoying. I hate people like him.
Let me guess, now someone will say how they hate people like me?
I know =D
Makes waking up in the morning that much better for me.

Hmmm....
Half the time "Rock" isn't Led Zeppelin. Half the time it's Blink 182, Brokencyde, and Coldplay.

Just like crappy rock doesn't ruin ALL rock, crappy Hip-Hop doesn't ruin ALL Hip-Hop. I can name plenty of inteligent rappers who's lyrics aren't all about "Slappin' Ho'z" and "Killin' Snitches".

Just because you don't completely understand a genre doesn't mean you should go around with bullcrap ideas. Instead you should listen, and try to understand. It'd be better for everyone in the long run.

LOLOLOLOL
I hate every single band you just posted. Your jab has failed, and very short of admirably I might add.
As a human being I have the freedom to talk any kind of shit about any genre I want to.
I'm not ignorant, I understand the music, I just think its bullshit.
Any moron can rap.

 

[zen5887]

Surely. Hip-hop = poerty?
I think not. Half the time Hip-Hop artists either slurr words or make up new ones entirely just to make a 'ryhme'.
Also, him saying the whole 'suprise suprise' thing is just annoying. I hate people like him.
Let me guess, now someone will say how they hate people like me?
I know =D
Makes waking up in the morning that much better for me.

Ohh right.

I like hip-hop, you like Metal so we can't get along. How silly of me.

The truth is, once you get past the sea of crap that is top 40 hip hop, you can find some ama... Nahh screw it, you don't want to hear it.

And I don't care that you hate me, nor do I hate you back. Why would I hate you, you've made me laugh more then anyone has on these forums for awhile.

Take care =D

 

[WayOutThere]

Poetry is suppose to effect you emotionally.

If the lyrics to a song alone can effect you emotionally they can easily be considered poetry.

It makes sense.

I can't say they should for sure; we need a definition of "poetry".

(dictionary definitions just won't get to the heart of the matter)