Music = Lyrics?

[The Rockerfly]

Holy shit, caught me on a typo.
Damn, I wish I was half as smart as you.
-_-
That sarcasm btw.

Yes because it's so easy to mistake "write" with "right" on a keyboard
Come on it's not like one or two letters out, none of the letters match
More likely is you didn't know what they meant
I might look out for which "Their", "There" or "They're" you use from now on just for a laugh

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ummm....
HOW is he an idiot? His post makes perfect sense. Do you care to explain yourself on why you think he's an idiot?

Surely. Hip-hop = poerty?
I think not. Half the time Hip-Hop artists either slurr words or make up new ones entirely just to make a 'ryhme'.
Also, him saying the whole 'suprise suprise' thing is just annoying. I hate people like him.
Let me guess, now someone will say how they hate people like me?
I know =D
Makes waking up in the morning that much better for me.

Hmmm....
Half the time "Rock" isn't Led Zeppelin. Half the time it's Blink 182, Brokencyde, and Coldplay.

Just like crappy rock doesn't ruin ALL rock, crappy Hip-Hop doesn't ruin ALL Hip-Hop. I can name plenty of intelligent rappers who's lyrics aren't all about "Slappin' Ho'z" and "Killin' Snitches".

Just because you don't completely understand a genre doesn't mean you should go around with bullcrap ideas. Instead you should listen, and try to understand. It'd be better for everyone in the long run.

LOLOLOLOL
I hate every single band you just posted. Your jab has failed, and very short of admirably I might add.
As a human being I have the freedom to talk any kind of shit about any genre I want to.
I'm not ignorant, I understand the music, I just think its bullshit.
Any moron can rap.

*sigh*
Learn how to read.
I hate Blink 182, Coldplay, and Brokencyde.
Again: LEARN HOW TO READ.
Are you kidding me? Did you really not understand my post? I tried to make it as easy as possible to understand.
Why don't you try again?
And I'm not "Jabbing" you. I'm only trying to explain my point to you.

And you seem to have only read half of my post.
You see, I did read your post, although my opinion of it's intent was wrong, I did answer it correctly with second half.
Any idiot can rap, and I DO UNDERSTAND THE GENRE.
Reread everything that's in caps before responding.
k?

"Any idiot can rap"
"I did read your post, although my opinion of it's intent was wrong"
"I'm not ignorant"

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

So you admit that you didn't read my post correctly, and you believe that any idiot can rap, yet you believe that your childish ass is "Not ignorant".
Ha!
That's pretty funny. Well, I suppose since any idiot can rap then why don't you go ahead and ask your mommy for a microphone, then record yourself rapping.
Post it afterwards.
Show us that ANY idiot can rap.

Oh my fucking god. I'm getting so tired of you whiny emo kids flaming on me for having a different opinion.
Telling a metal head to rap is like telling a Jew to join the S.S. [if such a thing was possible]
How about you take your 'logic' and shove it up your ass, maybe even *gasp* go to a new post.
If I DID want to rap all I'd have to do is post something that kind of rhymes, but I definitely have to make up a lot of words, or mispronounce most of them so as to make everything rhyme.
Btw, you don't have to quote Dictionary.com to tell me the definition of the word Ignorance.
I used to listen to rap, I stopped listening to it because it was simple idiotic and repulsive to the ear.
I'm pretty sure that entitles me to say that I'm not ignorant of the genre, in fact I'm pretty sure that gives as much as a right as anyone to hate the genre.
Now piss off, your pointless arguing is boring the hell out of me.

Nope.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinions. You're just an ignorant troll.
"Whiny emo kids"?
Really?
You seriously need to grow up.
I'm going to stop now as you insist on turning this into a little kid insult fight.
Have a great time being an idiotic troll on the Escapist!
We absolutely LOVE a reason to press the big red button under the post!
It's so fun.

Damn, now I'm scared.
-_-
I still don't see how I'm being ignorant, and if I am indeed troll you are certainly right there next to me.
Cheers.

Yes, as I've been insulting your stupidity, and rebutting posts with such witty responses as "Whiny emo kids" and telling people to "Stfu".
I guess it's true what they say: Kids Say the Darndest Things!

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Oh wow man, idk if I can find that song. I'm pretty sure only a few people have even heard of it, as it's so very exclusive.
-_-
I've heard it, wasn't impressed.
Easy as fuck.
I'll make a remake of marry had a little lamb if you want?

Okay so you say Rap used to be good, I produce you a good piece of Rap from this decade that isn't full of swearing and about smacking bitches up or smoking weed and you say you don't like it. Me thinks you're a troll or you nolstagia is making you say bull
Go on then, make a rap piece. Impress me with you dazzling rap abilities which you seem to claim everyone has
Oh and yeah ignore the rest of my post because you have no response

I'm not flaming on the genre at all. I never said anything about smacking hos and shit, that was all you my friend. I like very little rap and hip-hop.I even put up with some r&b.
You response to my post only shows that you are an eminem fanboy and couldn't stand up the chance to defend him, or something along those lines.
I simply don't like the genre.
I hate people that try to start fights over this shit.

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Music =/= Lyrics

Also - The melody counts as music, so if you dropped the background music (The accompanyment) you would have a capella music. In the case of Hip Hop, which is what I assume you are talking about, with the accompanyment it would be poetry.

Surprise surprise, some teenagers said some stupid things, and another, smarter, teenager is unhappy about it. End of thread?

You sir, are an idiot.

Ummm....
HOW is he an idiot? His post makes perfect sense. Do you care to explain yourself on why you think he's an idiot?

Surely. Hip-hop = poerty?
I think not. Half the time Hip-Hop artists either slurr words or make up new ones entirely just to make a 'ryhme'.
Also, him saying the whole 'suprise suprise' thing is just annoying. I hate people like him.
Let me guess, now someone will say how they hate people like me?
I know =D
Makes waking up in the morning that much better for me.

Hmmm....
Half the time "Rock" isn't Led Zeppelin. Half the time it's Blink 182, Brokencyde, and Coldplay.

Just like crappy rock doesn't ruin ALL rock, crappy Hip-Hop doesn't ruin ALL Hip-Hop. I can name plenty of intelligent rappers who's lyrics aren't all about "Slappin' Ho'z" and "Killin' Snitches".

Just because you don't completely understand a genre doesn't mean you should go around with bullcrap ideas. Instead you should listen, and try to understand. It'd be better for everyone in the long run.

LOLOLOLOL
I hate every single band you just posted. Your jab has failed, and very short of admirably I might add.
As a human being I have the freedom to talk any kind of shit about any genre I want to.
I'm not ignorant, I understand the music, I just think its bullshit.
Any moron can rap.

*sigh*
Learn how to read.
I hate Blink 182, Coldplay, and Brokencyde.
Again: LEARN HOW TO READ.
Are you kidding me? Did you really not understand my post? I tried to make it as easy as possible to understand.
Why don't you try again?
And I'm not "Jabbing" you. I'm only trying to explain my point to you.

And you seem to have only read half of my post.
You see, I did read your post, although my opinion of it's intent was wrong, I did answer it correctly with second half.
Any idiot can rap, and I DO UNDERSTAND THE GENRE.
Reread everything that's in caps before responding.
k?

"Any idiot can rap"
"I did read your post, although my opinion of it's intent was wrong"
"I'm not ignorant"

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

So you admit that you didn't read my post correctly, and you believe that any idiot can rap, yet you believe that your childish ass is "Not ignorant".
Ha!
That's pretty funny. Well, I suppose since any idiot can rap then why don't you go ahead and ask your mommy for a microphone, then record yourself rapping.
Post it afterwards.
Show us that ANY idiot can rap.

Oh my fucking god. I'm getting so tired of you whiny emo kids flaming on me for having a different opinion.
Telling a metal head to rap is like telling a Jew to join the S.S. [if such a thing was possible]
How about you take your 'logic' and shove it up your ass, maybe even *gasp* go to a new post.
If I DID want to rap all I'd have to do is post something that kind of rhymes, but I definitely have to make up a lot of words, or mispronounce most of them so as to make everything rhyme.
Btw, you don't have to quote Dictionary.com to tell me the definition of the word Ignorance.
I used to listen to rap, I stopped listening to it because it was simple idiotic and repulsive to the ear.
I'm pretty sure that entitles me to say that I'm not ignorant of the genre, in fact I'm pretty sure that gives as much as a right as anyone to hate the genre.
Now piss off, your pointless arguing is boring the hell out of me.

Nope.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinions. You're just an ignorant troll.
"Whiny emo kids"?
Really?
You seriously need to grow up.
I'm going to stop now as you insist on turning this into a little kid insult fight.
Have a great time being an idiotic troll on the Escapist!
We absolutely LOVE a reason to press the big red button under the post!
It's so fun.

Damn, now I'm scared.
-_-
I still don't see how I'm being ignorant, and if I am indeed troll you are certainly right there next to me.
Cheers.

Yes, as I've been insulting your stupidity, and rebutting posts with such witty responses as "Whiny emo kids" and telling people to "Stfu".
I guess it's true what they say: Kids Say the Darndest Things!

Once again, you got me.
Done yet?

 

[madcap2112]

Can't we all just get along? Or is this the wrong place for that? Going off the rails on a crazy train of a flame war.

 

[tsb247]

Not to mention producing the backing music.

A great deal of the background music used for rap 'songs' are just slight revisions of pre-recorded loops that come standard on many sound editing suites. Just look up Pro Tools or Reason. They are two of the most widely used sound editing programs in the industry, and it is a fact that much of the background music you hear wasn't even recorded by the 'artists.'

 

[Lusulpher]

Music is a dedicated effort to place the listener into the mood that you felt when you experienced an event.

Modern music is incredibly lazy when it comes to this. And the first page shows why. None of you even came close to defining what's important in a song.

The lyrics can make music, even spoken word. The rhythm can make music. The sound of random, unique instruments can be music. Singing aloud can be music.
Each format can present a concert of emotions and be art. THEY ARE ALL EQUALLY INPORTANT, INCLUSIVE AND EXCLUSIVE.

Another case of maddening Duality.Quit splitting hairs, all of it has to be used and most of it can be excluded and still produce an effect.

Hip-Hop, Rap, Metal, Emo, Ballad, Folk, Country, Psychedelic, Opera, Acapella...seriously all of it cannot be defined by the people with millions of dollars of sponsorship ruining each and every genre while they appeal to a tasteless consumer base.(Emo seriously is filled with garbage bands, The Used have given me hope.)


You have to be the ignorant one to call all Hip-Hop garbage when it takes the linguistics skills of a genius to Freestyle like Eminem/Immortal Technique/Dr Dre/old Jay-Z. Especially, how jealous I consider the racists who constantly start flame wars trying to downplay the biggest moneymaking industry for minorities...It's no coincidence they are pissed about bling. So am I, but I can barely beatbox my way to millions.

If you cannot play an instrument Metallica can, so shut it.(though their lyric content has slipped, same for Ozzy/Linkin Park) And Grunge is not dead, merely really crap(commercialized) atm. And I'm not bothered a bit. instead of listening to Jonas Brothers, I go look for long-lost Jimi Hendrix songs on youtube. Works everytime. I just discovered the best song about Dick Cheney and it's from Offspring, I never thought much of these guys. But that song presented the perfect description. So they can paint a picture with music. Minus the wacky sound effects they would have been classic.

When was the last time you held a Whitney Houston note in the shower? Then don't say it has no artistic value.

Don't diss Coldplay, they have matured. Radiohead/Beatles would be proud. Here come The Shins and Keane. \o/
Country is still like lukewarm bathwater. RIP Johnny Cash, and I hope Glen Campbell un-retires.


And if you still have issues with music not being good music, turn off your radio, don't buy your immature children that CD, and make your own.

 

[AvsJoe]

That sarcasm btw.

Hahahaha.. that's hilarious. I can't believe you pointed that out. Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I got a real kick out of that.

Can't we all just get along?

Now how much fun would that be? In my eyes there's nothing more entertaining in a thread than a flame war. I say keep at it my brethren, fight like you've never fought before!

 

[similar.squirrel]

It really depends on the genre. Obviously, when it comes to rap, lyrics are what really matters.
But if you listen to a lot of post-rock like me, they become irrelevant, even annoying, very quickly.

 

[Imat]

I actually prefer a mix of the two. I don't want to listen to only lyrics, but I certainly don't want to listen to someone trying to tell a story through guitar riffs and no lyrics either. The middle ground is best.

And metal...Is not a middle ground. It's usually more instrumental. As a not fan of heavy metal I can't really comment on the lyrics. So I won't. I just don't like the screaming and grunting of death metal and all those other weird ones. Doesn't sound at all appealing to me. I'm sorry if that is not your opinion, but to each his own right?

My favored music isn't really quite middle-ground either, I'm afraid. Getting there, though.

Also, Poetry can be good. There's a lot of bad poetry out there, but there's also (Forgive me for saying this but it's true in this case) fairly epic poetry. And people tend to lump them all together. Just like me and rap music.

 

[obliterate]

I remember back in english class how whenever we did a poetry unit everyone seemed to hate it so much. There were always those gangstar kids and the "popular clique" who went on and on about how much poetry sucks, which in a way strikes me as odd. I mean, here are these people who listen to "music" that has basically no musical talent, but just some pretty lyrics, and that's all they need to like the song. Well then why not just ditch the background noise, label it poetry, and stop insulting real musicians by calling your work music? Hell alot of the music I listen to has either no lyrics or maybe 2 minutes worth in an 8 minute song.

OMFG...I just don't wanna start how pathetic and worthless their lives are so... Lyrics are at least my way of saying a song rules...When I listen to a song I always listen to the lyrics...believe it or not there are what makes the song great not amny people notice that but it's true

 

[zen5887]

Not to mention producing the backing music.

A great deal of the background music used for rap 'songs' are just slight revisions of pre-recorded loops that come standard on many sound editing suites. Just look up Pro Tools or Reason. They are two of the most widely used sound editing programs in the industry, and it is a fact that much of the background music you hear wasn't even recorded by the 'artists.'

Incorrect.

I am familiar with both Reason and Protools and am yet to hear a hip hop song that is just a bunch of Dr Rex loops thrown on top of each other, which is what you are suggesting. If you mean they use samples from pre-recorded songs, then you are half right. Sampling is a pretty major part of Hip-Hop but its not always the case, and if it is, the producer usually tampers with it. However, a fair bit of Hip Hop has completly original beats, Buck 65's Talkin' Honky Blues and Bike for Three's More Hearts then Brains come to mind.

 

[NotMemorable]

I mean, here are these people who listen to "music" that has basically no musical talent, but just some pretty lyrics, and that's all they need to like the song.

The music we like is very dependent on our identity and it's different for everyone. Who are you to decide what is music and what isn't? Just get over the fact that everyone likes different music, music has already been defined by the dictionary, you don't have to.

Lyrics are pretty important to music. People like music they can identify with.

 

[NotAProdigy]

Poetry = Lyrics, but Lyrics =/= Music.

Aristotle divided poetry into three parts. Drama, epics poetry, and lyric poetry. Guess why we call today's musical word encompassing-screamy-screechy-sound lyrics!

 

[Doomdiver]

I like a very limited selection of rap. I only started to even like that when I stopped approaching it as music and approached it as poetry instead (it's not any of the mainstream rap I can't stand any of that crap) but if the artist puts time into their lyrics their music can be great. In some cases in my opinion lyrics can make or break a song but in the end it's not everything, if you have good, catchy melodies and riffs then it can be a great song even if the lyrics are trash.

In summary it varies from song to song!

 

[SonicKoala]

I think that the lyrics are an intrinsic part of any good music, but I think it is far more important that the music be perfected, rather than putting too much effort into the lyrics. After all, if the music is crap, who's going to want to pay attention to the lyrics anyway?

 

[Custard_Angel]

No problem for metal... You can listen closely to the lyrics and decipher them if you want, but theres no real point...

DOUBLE KICK!!! DUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUMDUM

 

[tsb247]

Not to mention producing the backing music.

A great deal of the background music used for rap 'songs' are just slight revisions of pre-recorded loops that come standard on many sound editing suites. Just look up Pro Tools or Reason. They are two of the most widely used sound editing programs in the industry, and it is a fact that much of the background music you hear wasn't even recorded by the 'artists.'

Incorrect.

I am familiar with both Reason and Protools and am yet to hear a hip hop song that is just a bunch of Dr Rex loops thrown on top of each other, which is what you are suggesting. If you mean they use samples from pre-recorded songs, then you are half right. Sampling is a pretty major part of Hip-Hop but its not always the case, and if it is, the producer usually tampers with it. However, a fair bit of Hip Hop has completly original beats, Buck 65's Talkin' Honky Blues and Bike for Three's More Hearts then Brains come to mind.

I will agree with you to an extent. However, I have heard far too many loops used to be completely convinced that the majority of it is freshly composed.

 

[US Crash Fire]

I remember back in english class how whenever we did a poetry unit everyone seemed to hate it so much. There were always those gangstar kids and the "popular clique" who went on and on about how much poetry sucks, which in a way strikes me as odd. I mean, here are these people who listen to "music" that has basically no musical talent, but just some pretty lyrics, and that's all they need to like the song. Well then why not just ditch the background noise, label it poetry, and stop insulting real musicians by calling your work music? Hell alot of the music I listen to has either no lyrics or maybe 2 minutes worth in an 8 minute song.

i guess they dont like it cause they cant say what, yeah, and okay. every 2 seconds, miss-pronounce words on purpose to make them fit into a ryme, and make up words like schizzle nizzle dizzle that dont mean anything and make them sound like retarded crack babies.

disclaimer: i am saying this about the wannabe "gangsters" in your highschool and not anyone else. except kanye west, fuck him, gay fish

 

[Jaqen Hghar]

Some of the most beautiful music I know about has no lyrics. And some of the most kick-ass songs. (Yeah, I listen to both kinds of music, and sometimes even a mix!)
Take most songs by Jami Sieber [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWo8N4QNXM]. It is beautiful, and it is without a doubt music. Yet no lyrics.

Then you got bands like Tool (which is one of my all time favorites), which have weird cryptical lyrics for the most part, which flows into the music. The lyrics are important, but they haven't put them in the booklet for people to read. Why? Maynard, the singer, thinks people should desipher them for themselves. So what if you hear something else than what it really was? You still get some meaning out of it. And I think that in most cases, the meaning you get out of a song is more important than the meaning that where originally thought from the artist.

Then you got The Mars Volta (another favorite) with lyrics so crazy they mostly don't make sense. But they suit the music, so the lyrics are more or less just another instrument. Which also work great.

But yeah, when the lyrics are all you like, then why not like poetry? I think US Crash Fire has some of the answer. And it just ain't cool enough. Poetry is associated with learning. Learning isn't cool. *rolls eyes*