you might want a bit of detail upon that. i know a friend who dislikes homosexuality, but will be fine with being friends with homosexual people - he will just dislike that aspect of them. maybe your friend is the same way?
My friend recently admitted......
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I'm sorry that's incorrect.
Thanks for playing, I guess.
Daye.04 said:
In psychology insanity is defined as deviance from the normal mental condition (insanity has varying degrees in psychology). Not being attracted to your sexually compatible gender fits this.sheic99 said:
EDIT: You look at this too
TheTygerfire said:
Someone on this thread claimed homosexuality is a form of insanity, and this would be why people consider him prejudice. In reality, he is merely ignorant. Insanity is not a medical term, but a legal one meaning one is not of sound mind and incapable of taking responsibility for your actions. Homosexuals have proven they can act as high functioning individuals in society and are known to complete great achievements. This suggest his assertion is false.
If he meant "mental disorder", then yes and no. The term homosexuality was listed in the DSM IV a couple of decades ago, but was removed due to public demand.
My opinion? I don't think homosexuality is any more of a mental disorder than most other (so called) sexuall deviations.
What is problematic though is that it completely challenges our perspective of society. Think about it: What is the purpose of having seperate sex locker rooms if the person you would like to have sex with is showering next to you? Why? WHYYY!?
On topic again, when you say "admit" it sounds like he is ashamed of it, so if you plan on introducing him to any gay friends, prepare for some awkward silence.
I really like the idea of telling him you are gay yourself though. You don't even have to make an ultimatum, he just has to choose between your friendship or his prejudice; and during this process he will be under the notion he is doing this to himself. If it works, you will have changed somebody's mind and he will learn to appreciate your friendship. If not, he has proven himself genuinly assholeish, and thus not worthy of your friendship. It might seem a litlle bit harsh, but that guy is bound to make you loose any respect you had for him sooner or later, and during that time he is almost bound to be a bad influence on you. Sure you might get an enemy for life, but meh...
And if he asks why you sleep with women, just smile and say "that's what you think".
In conclusion: tough love
If he meant "mental disorder", then yes and no. The term homosexuality was listed in the DSM IV a couple of decades ago, but was removed due to public demand.
My opinion? I don't think homosexuality is any more of a mental disorder than most other (so called) sexuall deviations.
What is problematic though is that it completely challenges our perspective of society. Think about it: What is the purpose of having seperate sex locker rooms if the person you would like to have sex with is showering next to you? Why? WHYYY!?
On topic again, when you say "admit" it sounds like he is ashamed of it, so if you plan on introducing him to any gay friends, prepare for some awkward silence.
I really like the idea of telling him you are gay yourself though. You don't even have to make an ultimatum, he just has to choose between your friendship or his prejudice; and during this process he will be under the notion he is doing this to himself. If it works, you will have changed somebody's mind and he will learn to appreciate your friendship. If not, he has proven himself genuinly assholeish, and thus not worthy of your friendship. It might seem a litlle bit harsh, but that guy is bound to make you loose any respect you had for him sooner or later, and during that time he is almost bound to be a bad influence on you. Sure you might get an enemy for life, but meh...
And if he asks why you sleep with women, just smile and say "that's what you think".
In conclusion: tough love
First. What the fuck has Tgyerfires post got to do with anything??Eldritch Warlord said:
If you look at Tygerfires response, as a sign of insanity, I will instantly loose almost all respect for you. Simple as that.
Also. You can define "normal", can you? How sincerely interesting! I'd love to hear it one day. But now is not the time.
Why is heterosexual "normal"? Because it's the only way to reproduce? Wrong!
I don't see why heterosexual can be the only thing that is "normal". As a matter of fact, I don't see whyy bisexual is not the most logical sexual preference. Human beings fucing human beings. No strings attached. No limits
Also. Have a look at this:
Also, Nick. Thanks. Just .. Thanks. Thanks for joining the Escapist. Thanks for making a great post. And especially thanks for making it as your first. I sense great friendship between us =PNick of All Trades said:
A bit of an overstatement, actually. He never said his friend was openly intolerant against gays, he was just prejudice. He could be the most prejudice person in the world, but treats everyone fairly. Why? Because you can't control what you actually think (unless you can continously condition yourself), but you can control your actions.Plauged1 said:
Then again, his friend may be openly hateful of homosexuals. But you sure don't know enough about the guy to be able to call him a 'douche'.
I think he was trying to call Tygerfire to his post because Tygerfire's post was rude and dismissive.Daye.04 said:
Also, why is it wrong that heterosexual sex is the only way to make babies, and hence from an evolutionary standpoint, normal? Explain, maybe after you take a sex ed class.
I meant that Tgyerfire should also look at my post and was quoting him to draw his attention towards it.Daye.04 said:
Normal simply means "like most." Most people are heterosexual therefore heterosexuality is normal.
Also note that I've never said that I have anything against homosexuals, only that I've been told that I do for considering homosexuality a form of insanity (which it is by psychological definition).
EDIT: I would also like to inform Nick that psychology and medicine are separate fields with their own unique jargon and specialized definitions.
We don't all have to like one another, agree with one another, or support one another. We just have to be able to exist in the same spaces at the same times peacefully on occasion. As long as he can act civilly in public, his personal opinions shouldn't matter. The entire world is not one huge kindergarten classroom where everyone has to get along.
Whilst i disagree with his opinion, I come from an area where whilst there is not real prejudice against gays its frowned upon a fair bit. A joke or two can be ok as with everything, but to say that they are wrong, disgusting and defective (a hideous statement) is completely wrong imo.
Please do take the time to read my post before you try to insult me. Thank you.goldenjester said:
Sorry. My mistake. I just seemed .. Never mind. My mistake. My appolegiesEldritch Warlord said:
Yeah. Like most. In prison, most of the inmates are rapist. That means that it's normal for a criminal to be rapist?
Listen. That definition may be correct. But in that sense, insanity is no where near what most people would think of it. Insanity is something most people would think of as bad. And with this definition, it's neither bad nor good. It's just different. Wich is never a problem (Unless, of course you're different like that you don't require someones permission to have sex with them. But that's an entirely diffrent subject). And thus you saying that homosexuals are a form of "insanity" (Despite this definition - as allready stated, people look at "insanity" as bad. Wich .. You know .. It usually are. Whenever this definition is not in place) makes it seem like you have a grudge against homosexuals. And that you think they are mentally challenged, or lesser. It's obviously not what you meant. And by your definition, there's nothing wrong with saying they are, since it's the exact same as saying they are "different". Wich is true, considering they are a minority when it comes to sexual preference. So I guess I .. Kinda agree ..
It doesn't work like that, the only population that counts for being psychologically normal is the total population of humanity. It's a very heuristic science.Daye.04 said:
I have quite a few gay friends and family and what i have noticed over the years are those who seem to be the anti gay are represing some form of homosexual desire.
heres my take on homosexuality and "prejudiced" people. I really don't care if someone is gay or bi or whatever their taste may be as long as they aren't up my ass (so to speak) about it. personally, I think homosexuality (guy on guy) is a bit creepy, but thats because I'm straight and I like girls, and I don't see how another man could be attractive in that way. that doesn't mean I'm a gay basher, it just means I think its weird and apparently above my head. and to be honest, I think both gays and lesbians are wonderful people to hang out with, and sexual preference has no real effect on personality. in the words of Lewis C.K, I've just never seen another dick that I would like to suck on, and probably never will.
now about the so called bigot mentioned in the first post: as long as he's not being a royal bag of douche about it, why should you care? its his opinion. now what you should do about is simple, if he is being a douche about it, have an actual thoughtful conversation with him, and see exactly where his anti gay thoughts stem from. if he's anything like me, he's probably just a bit ignorant is all and should have some light shed in that dark corner of his mind.
peace out
-Copper
now about the so called bigot mentioned in the first post: as long as he's not being a royal bag of douche about it, why should you care? its his opinion. now what you should do about is simple, if he is being a douche about it, have an actual thoughtful conversation with him, and see exactly where his anti gay thoughts stem from. if he's anything like me, he's probably just a bit ignorant is all and should have some light shed in that dark corner of his mind.
peace out
-Copper
I guess some people think they morally superior if they have something to attack.
I know some people who have said terrible things that made me want to hurt them on this topic. Trying to read a book while some students in a class talked about how they could "cure" it made me angry and sad at the same time. Some people are just hateful.
I have a hard time figuring out if these people use gay as an insult just because they can't say lame or stupid; or because they just think that gay people need to be bashed 24/7.
I know some people who have said terrible things that made me want to hurt them on this topic. Trying to read a book while some students in a class talked about how they could "cure" it made me angry and sad at the same time. Some people are just hateful.
I have a hard time figuring out if these people use gay as an insult just because they can't say lame or stupid; or because they just think that gay people need to be bashed 24/7.
Allright? So ... Lets' say that most people in Norway never took off their shoes, when entering their homes. But in Phillipines, they do. Wouldn't it make sense, that not taking off your shoes is normal in Norway?Eldritch Warlord said:
Also, why are you nitpicking? Don't you have anything more relevant, or are you just charging up for a bigger attack? =P
I was just answering the question.Daye.04 said:
And if you consider wearing shoes in the house a mental condition then I suppose it would make sense psychologically to say the Filipinos are insane to the Norwegians and vice versa.
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