My goverment Sucks, new anti piracy laws sneaked into law.
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Torrentfreak is a news site. They don't even host torrents, let alone help people pirate things.Sober Thal said:
Maybe pirating games isn't morally right since you're technically stealing somebody's work, but I believe that governments who pass laws to try and stop it are simply doing so in order to make it look like they're being proactive about the situation. The reality is that people will continue to pirate movies, tv shows, video games, etc. no matter what form of legislation tries to get in their way. Its like prohibition, no matter how illegal it is, people will continue to do it if that's what they want to do.
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the thing is this law can sting you even if you do not pirate, you are presumed guilty in till you can prove your own innocence. All you have to do is watch the wrong vid on you tube and no net for you for six months. Its stupid.
Edit, just checked torrent freak, its a news site. So I added it back in.
If the mods don't like it I'm sure they can just edit the post
the thing is this law can sting you even if you do not pirate, you are presumed guilty in till you can prove your own innocence. All you have to do is watch the wrong vid on you tube and no net for you for six months. Its stupid.
Edit, just checked torrent freak, its a news site. So I added it back in.
If the mods don't like it I'm sure they can just edit the post
I'm against Piracy, but I still think that this law is stupid. Not because piracy is good, but because they'll never be able to catch the majority of pirates, and all they're doing is making themselves look good.
The 15k fine is a *little* high, although it'd be a damned effective way of getting the message through[footnote]Except that no one ever believes that they'll get caught, because they're obviously so much more special than everyone else...[/footnote]
The 15k fine is a *little* high, although it'd be a damned effective way of getting the message through
[footnote]Except that no one ever believes that they'll get caught, because they're obviously so much more special than everyone else...[/footnote]
Ya well money and politics go hand in hand, a big company suggests a new law and lubes things over with some cash and voila.
Wont be too long before these laws are funded all over the world, and because this is essentially establishing an internet police state no government will be against it, if they get to monitor everyones activity without legal justification... well the old single party states could only dream of such sweet crowd control.
Wont be too long before these laws are funded all over the world, and because this is essentially establishing an internet police state no government will be against it, if they get to monitor everyones activity without legal justification... well the old single party states could only dream of such sweet crowd control.
I live in NZ too and we have a country of 4 million, and already have among the worst internet in developed countries. It's slow and the cap is small.. yet they pan piracy? I wouldn't think we contribute much towards it at all.
Terrible.
Terrible.
Main issue isn't really the law itself - I mean, saying "you can't use your internet connection to do illegal things" is hardly a shocking suggestion - it's more the fact that it allows for the person's internet connection to be severed, without a chance for appeal, that has people getting jittery.
I don't know... TorrentFreak is widely used as a reliable source, and I'd say the site covers the happenings around P2P, the BitTorrent protocol and piracy issues in general, rather than being a pro-piracy site.Sober Thal said:
That is a very narrow viewpoint. I am against this type of legislation, yet I don't pirate, what does that make me?Saelune said:
OT: This law is ridiculous, it allows "rights holders" to shut off individuals from the Internet without any sort of proof. It gives 'big content' corporations judicial power, which is just inane.
If this law is anything like the ones they've tried to pass in the UK and the USA then issue is that it allows a copyright owner to make complaints against an internet user without any burden of proof, without going through a court or jury. This means that all a copyright holder has to do is make 3 complaints against a citizen to have there internet pulled for six months.
Think about that for a second, consider all the spurious lawsuits large companies already bring to bear in driving smaller competitors out of business. Imagine the pettiness and maliciousness of a lot of wealthy individuals given a new and legal outlet.
I'm no fan of piracy, but I'm also a fan of having an internet connection.
Think about that for a second, consider all the spurious lawsuits large companies already bring to bear in driving smaller competitors out of business. Imagine the pettiness and maliciousness of a lot of wealthy individuals given a new and legal outlet.
I'm no fan of piracy, but I'm also a fan of having an internet connection.
How is it narrow? Is it not narrow to just be ok with piracy then also? I mostly dont like the OP guy, otherwise I would have skipped this topic. I don't pirate either, but if something is unobtainable, due to maybe not being sold anymore, then I can understand that, since then its not hurting anyone.Arachon said:
I actually am not familiar with the specific law he mentions, but my point was about piracy in general. If the law is absurd (as most anti-piracy stuff actually is, since it hurts non pirates more usually) then thats a problem with the law specifically.
That's a real shame, and I believe kind of illegal. But then again, that's how the legal system works; crimes only apply when they're not done officially.
I'm hoping this just means YOU can't start up a torrent yourself for something pirated...but they realise how torrents work right? This is kind of going to be hard to enforce. Or is it just selling pirate DVDs? In that case it can work and I withdraw my complaints, but retain my disapproval.
I'm hoping this just means YOU can't start up a torrent yourself for something pirated...but they realise how torrents work right? This is kind of going to be hard to enforce. Or is it just selling pirate DVDs? In that case it can work and I withdraw my complaints, but retain my disapproval.
Wait what? you don't like me and that's the only reason you posted. I don't even know who you are. Or is it the post you don't like, did you even read the article before shooting your mouth off? It's a stupid law that directly contradicts our privacy act and the government rushed it into law so people would not have time to protest against it. I'm just pointing it out, Why the hate?Saelune said:
This could have a severe impact on the amount of child beatings in New Zealand.
"Timmy, can you come here a moment and explain to me why we are being fined $15,000 and disconnected from the Internet for 6 months"
"Sorry, Dad. I just downloaded a song I like."
"Damn it, Timmy! Have you never heard of Proxy servers?! What are they teaching you in school these days!?!"
"Timmy, can you come here a moment and explain to me why we are being fined $15,000 and disconnected from the Internet for 6 months"
"Sorry, Dad. I just downloaded a song I like."
"Damn it, Timmy! Have you never heard of Proxy servers?! What are they teaching you in school these days!?!"