Negative Dark Knight Rises Review Results in Death Threats

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KrossBillNye said:
Playing Devils Advocate though I feel when someone makes a review they need to maintain a unbiased opinion of a game/movie. Like I have seen reviews made on RPG games and the review dislikes RPGs in general. They will see the game differently than RPG gamers.
That's nonsense. A review is by nature a biased opinion. The only difference between me telling you "[Game] wasn't very good" and, say, Yahtzee doing it is my opinion was shorter and I wasn't paid for it (also it wasn't funny). I do prefer that reviewers try to point out anything they saw or played that they did enjoy, and that review sites try to delegate reviews to reviewers that aren't actively hostile to the material (Notice that the AV Club almost always has Tasha Robinson review kid's movies, for example), but you can't ask a reviewer to be objective about a subjective opinion.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
But yeah, Catwoman just looks bland and dumb. Why not just copy what Arkham City did? She looked great in that.
They didn't even need to do that, just make her look like a professional cat burglar with a state of the art get-up. You can even ditch the cat ears all together since (according to the review) she isn't even addressed by the name Catwoman once.
 

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This is what happens when people identify themselves too strongly with branding and products. They take disliking something like this movie and see it as an attack against them as an individual because they associate themselves so heavily with it.
This might be true. How else can you explain this sort of vicious fanaticism... religion, perhaps. Well, I'm sure some people do worship franchises as a surrogate or proxy for a deity.
I still don't think it is religious sorta warship or anything just extremely heavy association where they consider what ever the thing might be, to be part of who they are. Like say I played a lot of video games I would consider myself a gamer therefore games are a part of who I am as a individual therefore a attack on games is a attack on me. Even though game and me are two different things entirely.
 

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Fappy said:
Looks like I got you in trouble! >:D
Cuuuuuuurse you Fappy!
I'm going to try avoid an argument in this though, I'm on edge about being banned or something :p
 

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Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
 

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Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
 

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Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
 

Fappy

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hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
Keeping us down! Suppressing the voice of the people! Those!---- Well they do get rid of annoying trolls from time to time. Though, I do miss treasures like Zeel.
 

hazabaza1

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Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
Keeping us down! Suppressing the voice of the people! Those!---- Well they do get rid of annoying trolls from time to time. Though, I do miss treasures like Zeel.
Yeah, him and Karutomaru were endless pools of hilarity.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Christy Lemire, a smart and respected critic for the AP, didn't like The Dark Knight Rises. Her review [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/16/review-batman-series-ends-as-epic-letdown/] was well-written and reasonable. When she posted it on Rotten Tomatoes she was greeted with comments like this:


The Bat Jihad strikes again. Lemire isn't the only victim; Marshall Fine was the target of a ton of abusive language and death threats. Reports Matt Singer at Critic Wire: [http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/dark-knight-rises-critic-receives-death-threats#.UATrEZG3P4E]

Some commenters approached their death threats with a wink, quoting Bane's line to Batman that Fine's punishment "must be more severe" and that they didn't give him "permission to die" yet. Others were more direct in their hatred. One comment, since removed, kindly requested Fine "die in a fire." Another from "Jake B," showing remarkable restraint under the circumstances, just fantasized about beating Fine "with a thick rubber hose into a coma." Way to take the high road, Jake.

Several Rotten Tomatoes commenters vowed to destroy Fine's website, Hollywood and FIne, and they appear to have succeeded, at least temporarily; the site was unavailable for much of the afternoon, no doubt thanks to the massive influx of server-crushing traffic. As of 3:00 PM, the site was back up, and Fine's review ("The third Batman film in Nolan?s trilogy and also the weakest") was still standing.
Rotten Tomatoes was forced to go to tweet a reminder that any commenters who broke their basic terms of service (which I'm sure include things like 'Don't make death threats') would be banned from the site. That they would feel the need to do this only hours after the first negative reviews hit shows the force of the onslaught. There are thousands of hate comments still standing, with many having been deleted by a surely overworked moderator. And the Mujahabateen keep coming.

I'm familiar with these people - they've been coming after me ever since I dared find Batman Begins disappointing and subpar. I cemented the problem by giving The Dark Knight a radically low 8.5/10 instead of the only acceptable score, a 10/10. And they've been sharpening the knives in anticipation of my coming The Dark Knight Rises review - you may have seen one of them spamming the comments on multiple articles with a treatise that begins "DEVIN FARACI IS A ****."

We joke about furries and hentai pervs and steampunks as awful fanbases, but in reality they don't hold a candle to this special and disturbing group. Ignorant, enraged, often misogynistic and fundamentalist to the extreme - James Rocchi's 3 star review of the film at Movies.com has led to a deluge of commenters furious he only said the movie was good, not the greatest thing to ever grace screens - this modern Batman film fanbase has actually become frightening.

This is the end game of the sickness of fandom. Passion is one thing, but it can be twisted into something dark. That's happening here. These people have tied their identities and self-worth into Nolan's Batfilms so strongly that the smallest slight feels like a deep, personal attack. These sad, mentally unhygienic people lash out with fury. It's ugly and sad and makes me ashamed to be a nerd, to share a pop culture space with these people.

I know that our fan culture can be better. It can be supportive and inspiring at the best of times. But every year I see less of that and more anger and hate and ugliness. I want to remind you guys of my Take Back The Nerd: Five Ways To Be A Good Fan piece from back in May. Let's aspire to be a great community that, at the very least, doesn't threaten to kill people who don't like movies we haven't even seen yet.

UPDATE: Rotten Tomatoes has turned off commenting on reviews for The Dark Knight Rises. They will be instituting a Facebook-based commenting system to make sure cowards can't spew hate behind anonymity.
Source [http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/16/batman-fans-lose-their-minds-over-negative-dark-knight-rises-reviews/]

I think the last time this happened was when Toy Story 3 got two bad reviews that prevented it from getting the perfect score of it's predecessors. People build something up so much that their expectations outstrip what they end up getting. Instead of listening, and hearing opposing viewpoints, they see anything dissenting as something to be stamped out and destroyed.

What do you think of her review? Do you find the level of negative response is justified?
To be fair, one of those reviewers said he hates Pixar movies, said Hamm was a villian and some other stuff that screams "I did not watch this movie."

The other one pointed out that he gave it a lower score because he wanted to piss off people.

JRPG reviews go like this once in awhile. Just watch an episode of X Play to see "This is a JRPG I don't like JRPGs therefore this game sucks."

Does it constitute death threats? Fuck no. Anyone who reviews like how I mentioned above should have it taken down from MC, RT and the reviewer be reprimanded.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
Keeping us down! Suppressing the voice of the people! Those!---- Well they do get rid of annoying trolls from time to time. Though, I do miss treasures like Zeel.
Yeah, him and Karutomaru were endless pools of hilarity.
Karutomaru seemed so sincere though! I prefer to think of him as a hopeless fanboy instead of a heartless troll.
 

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Not to condone this behavior, but... These are not death threats. Telling someone to die in a fire =/= a threat to burn them.
 

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Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
Keeping us down! Suppressing the voice of the people! Those!---- Well they do get rid of annoying trolls from time to time. Though, I do miss treasures like Zeel.
Yeah, him and Karutomaru were endless pools of hilarity.
Karutomaru seemed so sincere though! I prefer to think of him as a hopeless fanboy instead of a heartless troll.
I suppose. Still, he did seem to do some things just to aggravate.
Like, in those threads about 'annoying games' and someone would mention sections in a game that annoyed him, he would quote them and go 'The topic is about games not sections.'
That was funny.
 

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xDarc said:
What happened to the days when death threats used to be something along the lines of I'm going to come to your house while you sleep and slit your fucking throat?

Saying I hope you die is a death threat now?

Really?
There has never been a time when "I hope you die" was not considered a death threat. This is true going back atleast 100 years. There was never a mythical "people were less sensetive" period of life that you are alluding to.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
Keeping us down! Suppressing the voice of the people! Those!---- Well they do get rid of annoying trolls from time to time. Though, I do miss treasures like Zeel.
Yeah, him and Karutomaru were endless pools of hilarity.
Karutomaru seemed so sincere though! I prefer to think of him as a hopeless fanboy instead of a heartless troll.
I suppose. Still, he did seem to do some things just to aggravate.
Like, in those threads about 'annoying games' and someone would mention sections in a game that annoyed him, he would quote them and go 'The topic is about games not sections.'
That was funny.
I love how incredibly blunt and matter-of-fact he was about that kind of stuff. His demeanor was so rage inducing!
 

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Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Fappy said:
hazabaza1 said:
Run away from the banhammer! Don't look back! It's closing in fast!
Oh shit, mods!
They heard me say the N word! Run Fappy sa[sub]ve yo[/sub][sub][sub]urselll[/sub][/sub][sub][sub][sub]llllfff...[/sub][/sub][/sub]


NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND!
No Fappy, it's not worth it! You've only got warnings so far, you don't want a suspension! Leave me, I have other forums!
[sub][sub]Well okay I don't but I can pretend I do.[/sub][/sub]
Which reminds me, it's been over a year and my health bar has only improved one bar! Shenanigans!
Preposterous!
Maybe you're a few days off.
[sub]Or maybe it's a conspiracy.[/sub]
[sub][sub]Fuckin' mods, man.[/sub][/sub]
Keeping us down! Suppressing the voice of the people! Those!---- Well they do get rid of annoying trolls from time to time. Though, I do miss treasures like Zeel.
Yeah, him and Karutomaru were endless pools of hilarity.
Karutomaru seemed so sincere though! I prefer to think of him as a hopeless fanboy instead of a heartless troll.
I suppose. Still, he did seem to do some things just to aggravate.
Like, in those threads about 'annoying games' and someone would mention sections in a game that annoyed him, he would quote them and go 'The topic is about games not sections.'
That was funny.
I love how incredibly blunt and matter-of-fact he was about that kind of stuff. His demeanor was so rage inducing!
I just liked watching the inevitable debates between him and the brovengers. I replied a couple of times near the start of his reign, but I quickly realised it was pointless.