New "Missing link" for evolution!

[murphy7801]

go Pastaferians

 

[Daveman]

From what I have seen, most so called intellectuals can't tolerate religion at all.

I don't have a problem with religion, I just hate people to be wrong and I have to correct them. I basically am intolerant of stupidity. I'm not saying religious people are stupid, just the ones that don't accept the quite obvious facts.

The most annoying thing I find with Christians is their reverence of the bible, an obviously biased and hevaily edited source.

 

[Cowabungaa]

What if a higher being also created evolution.
For something that can create life, Im sure it wouldnt be a problem for animals to gradually adapt over the generations. Evolution cannot disprove a higher being, so maybe we should all drop the religious debates and talk about that little cat monkey skeleton that the thread is about.

Ofcourse it does not disprove something like that, there is always the possibility that something like that is actually true. It can't be completely be falsified. Therefore it is not scientific. Sure it can be true, but it can't be researched scientifically.

 

[Kinguendo]

Wow, as of writing there's 13 posts and it's already religious.

Anyway, good. I really hope it's legitimate because it'd be a huge plus for science.

(See, that was a more subtle dig at religion.)

Religion is subtle to me, they yell in the city centre about how I am going to hell... ME... ME! Dont go pointing your fingers at me and blaming my life style for all the things that are wrong with the world, bloody hate-mongers... and yes they do monger hate... my hatred of them for their bloody shenanigans.

I can't stand religion - I see it as unnecessary and pointless. Others can take it how they want but I do object people trying to force their views on others - more specifically me.

I've never understood why they yell at me (us) about going to hell. For one I don't believe in it so its already ruled out. And two, by shouting at people are they going to get themselves into their heaven? Probably not. SO WHY DO IT?

Agreed, whole-heartedly.

Way to be ignorant. The idea that every religious person wants to convert you is ridiculous. In my entire life their was only one time someone tried to convert me. They asked if I was familiar with the teachings of god. I said I'm not a very religious person and I would prefer to stay that way, and then they left me alone.

What's funny is that the people I find to be intolerant are you. The idiots who think they are smarter than others because of religion. You complain about them trying to force you into religion, yet you do the same thing by forcing the idea of evolution upon them.

Don't be a hypocrite.

I thought I should give you a second chance but now I just think you are stupid, do you even know what hypocrisy and ignorance are? We never said every religious person wants to convert us, we said that the ones that have tried annoy us. Also, we never forced our opinions of evolution on anyone... who? Come on, who? You clearly thought that we had other wise you wouldnt just take an uninformed shot in the dark like that because that would make you an idiot... or would you?

Oh yes mighty overlord. My stupidity is clear. I am sorry for offending you with my inferior intellect.

Get off your high horse. You say the Christians that try to convert you are annoying? Well people who try to convert you to evolution are just as annoying. My point is that the Christians that try to convert you are the minority. So complaining about them is pointless. You are judging a religion based entirely upon the actions of one small group of people.

Also it's obvious that the people here are forcing the ideas of evolutions of others. Maybe it's because they keep saying things like "This will finally make all those stupid creationists shut up". I wish the people forcing the ideas of evolution on others where the minority, but they're not. From what I have seen, most so called intellectuals can't tolerate religion at all.

Glad that you see your folly. Well, there is alot of truth behind evolution and well... we all know about religion. Also you know I dont judge christians solely on them being bloody annoying when doing themselves some converting, I also take into consideration their history and actions. Basically everything that is important when judging something.
Also, I dont think a creationists first thought when they see the title "New "missing link" for evolution" is going to be "Wow, I bet this forum is going to have nothing about creationists". And how many people have come to your house preaching evolution? None? Thought so.

 

[murphy7801]

yes the bible if read with a not religious eye makes god to a fairly monstrous character who is flawed with all the flaws humans who made him.

 

[ShadowStar42]

Hmm, except this Kraken guy is apparently an atheist so does that make your comment a fail? I think it might. Also, that is 2 atheists and ET (Although I still dont know what ET did that was so bad.). Also, there is no such thing as Atheist history because that is just called history whereas you can get the history of christianity... and it wasnt just christians who were involved in the crusades so stop being so self-centred. Christians always think that Atheist dont like them when they say religion, honestly do you think christianity is the only religion?

I have to admit, you're pretty good at debate Judo, but your possition is still weak. In the same way there is no Atheist history there is also no Christian history, there are simply Christians and atheists in history. I've no more connection to the Crusaders than you do, which was the point I was making by bringing up atrocities committed by atheists. The Crusades are a commonly recognized Christian atrocity, while there were other groups involved the Christians are the ones recognized to be in the wrong, so my defense of them specifically when you made the reference was reasonable. If your view of the Crusades is different then you are in a very small minority and shouldn't assume that people will recognize it without explanation.

 

[sharks9]

they found a monkey. yay.
until evolution has been 100% proven, I'll choose to believe in creation.

Evolution is already accepted as proven. This has nothing to do with proving evolution. We do have *other* fossils of common ancestors. This specimen is just the closest link between primates and other mammals.

It's not like the theory of evolution hinged on this discovery... it's "just" a potentially useful piece of paleontology: A little more information about our common ancestors.

Yes, fact that evolution is both a fact and a theory (the theory explaining the fact, or trying to explain the fact, we're not done yet) does not mean we have completed the puzzle. O no, there are still countless of gaps in the evolutionary history of life on earth.

PS: I wonder how many people here realise the difference between the fact of evolution, and evolutionary theory.

COME ON PEOPLE. Now all together: A scientific theory is as close to the truth as we will ever get! A Scientific theory is the highest form of status ANY (except in math) a sctientific HYPOTHESIS (a scientific hypothesis in what people call a theory in daily life) can get a scientific theory IS proven.

God I needed to get that out of my system.

they found a monkey. yay.
until evolution has been 100% proven, I'll choose to believe in creation.

Evolution is already accepted as proven. This has nothing to do with proving evolution. We do have *other* fossils of common ancestors. This specimen is just the closest link between primates and other mammals.

It's not like the theory of evolution hinged on this discovery... it's "just" a potentially useful piece of paleontology: A little more information about our common ancestors.

It's not 100% proven that humans evolved from monkeys, which is what I meant. I apologize for not making that clearer.

Actually yes it has we share 98% of our genes with orangutans and other high % with other great apes. Besides you only have to look at our chromosomes and compare them to the chromosomes of the great apes and you can see that they are almost identical yourself.

That makes it seem likely we descended from them, but it doesn't make it 100% fact.

 

[blobin]

i think you'll find that those "fossils" were actually placed under ground by the devil in a vain attempt to trick us into disbelieving God!



(actual Christian argument first put forward by a Mr Philip Gosse... who knew!)

 

[Cowabungaa]

That makes it seem likely we descended from them, but it doesn't make it 100% fact.

Such a thing does not exist in science. There is always the unfalsifiable option that it's something completely different then we think it is. You simply cannot falsify all the options, therefore nothing is 100% fact/proven/true.

 

[pffh]

they found a monkey. yay.
until evolution has been 100% proven, I'll choose to believe in creation.

Evolution is already accepted as proven. This has nothing to do with proving evolution. We do have *other* fossils of common ancestors. This specimen is just the closest link between primates and other mammals.

It's not like the theory of evolution hinged on this discovery... it's "just" a potentially useful piece of paleontology: A little more information about our common ancestors.

Yes, fact that evolution is both a fact and a theory (the theory explaining the fact, or trying to explain the fact, we're not done yet) does not mean we have completed the puzzle. O no, there are still countless of gaps in the evolutionary history of life on earth.

PS: I wonder how many people here realise the difference between the fact of evolution, and evolutionary theory.

COME ON PEOPLE. Now all together: A scientific theory is as close to the truth as we will ever get! A Scientific theory is the highest form of status ANY (except in math) a sctientific HYPOTHESIS (a scientific hypothesis in what people call a theory in daily life) can get a scientific theory IS proven.

God I needed to get that out of my system.

they found a monkey. yay.
until evolution has been 100% proven, I'll choose to believe in creation.

Evolution is already accepted as proven. This has nothing to do with proving evolution. We do have *other* fossils of common ancestors. This specimen is just the closest link between primates and other mammals.

It's not like the theory of evolution hinged on this discovery... it's "just" a potentially useful piece of paleontology: A little more information about our common ancestors.

It's not 100% proven that humans evolved from monkeys, which is what I meant. I apologize for not making that clearer.

Actually yes it has we share 98% of our genes with orangutans and other high % with other great apes. Besides you only have to look at our chromosomes and compare them to the chromosomes of the great apes and you can see that they are almost identical yourself.

That makes it seem likely we descended from them, but it doesn't make it 100% fact.

We didn't descend from them we descended from a common ancestor that's why our genomes are so similar.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Suck on it, Christians!!!!

im ubberly offended. im catholic and i believe in creationism WITH WITH evolution. why cant they exist together? in peace and harmony bla bla bla

Because one idea is founded on scientific discovery and the other on an invisible sky man who magic'd everything into being.

mmm... basically what you said is all biased but yeah. Many christians believe in both things coexisting. The bible isn't meant to be taken literally so yeah, 7 days, maybe not, but how else would you have explained it to people 2000 years ago?
It could have been a way to simplify things for ignorant people, that's what they taught me in school (christian opus-dei funded school ^^) but yeah, I later became kind of an atheist, I'm more of a sciense man, but I do believe that both theories can exist together not the "Intelligent Design" or however it is that US christian fanatics wanna teach it at schools, that is just plain absurd, but that there is a god that created things... that later evolved?

Is there a disclaimer in the bible that says not to take it literally? Secondly, evolution is deeply corrosive to the creationist view. To believe in both is to not take either seriously. Thirdly, he showed absolutely no bias whatsoever.

I look forward to more news on this...would also like to know why they kept it secret for so long.

How is believing in both not to take either seriously? Do your priests ask you to take the bible LITERALLY? because ours were more "actual" in that they did believe in science and of what could be proven. Not believing in evolution is fucking absurd by any means.
No bias? "the other on an invisible sky man who magic'd everything into being."
That doesn't seem to want to make the other argument seem ridiculous and therefore dismiss it in any way now does it?
I believe they "kept the secret" in order to make sure they weren't saying random non-facts around only to then realize that in was in fact a fake or simply a lemur-like animal that exists in the region. Seems pretty logical to me.

I would be happy to explain myself. Whilst his summary of the creationist argument was crude and satirical, it was also completely apt...that is what is believed by many. I would also like to point out that a priest is in no better position to decide how the bible should be interpreted than the rest of us, I would also argue that it doesn't need interpretation at all...it's very blunt about what it asserts to be gospel. Frankly if you think that evolution and creationism as explainations for the world can co-exist without any logical problems, you probably haven't thought it through. The bible is infact the basis for the Christian belief system, the fact that even the followers are willing to trivialise what it says is laughable. Imagine that God insisted that all houses were only allowed to be made of dry sand. After realising that God wasn't preaching sense, you give up and build yourself a shack from wood...because these are modern times and God probably didn't mean it...you see what I'm saying?

 

[murphy7801]

"do what i say or (insert bad thing)" so says (insert fictional character)
oh no i cant disprove it i best do it or it might happen

 

[sharks9]

yes the bible if read with a not religious eye makes god to a fairly monstrous character who is flawed with all the flaws humans who made him.

you've read the entire Bible? I admit in the Old Testament God is terrifying at times but what about the New Testament?

 

[Simon Hadow]

You can't prove evolution, just like you can't prove creationism, so just get over yourselves you jerks sitting on your throne of logic, looking down at every other theory out there and saying " You are inferior because you are not logical!" Your just as bad as creationists.

 

[EgoDeusEst]

thats quite obviously a baby alien skeleton that found its way underground

nope no evolution here

But then extraterrestial life would exist and religion would still be flawed. Well more flawed anyway XD

Suck on it, Christians!!!!

im ubberly offended. im catholic and i believe in creationism WITH WITH evolution. why cant they exist together? in peace and harmony bla bla bla

Because they contradict each other. Why can't you be a gay black Jewish Nazi?

Godwin's law ftw.

 

[Kinguendo]

Interesting, we found a crucial piece of evidence in establishing the links between us and other species.

Instead of discussing what advances this could have in the fields of science, let's instead bash creationists. How dare they think differently.

Oh, if only you knew about the crusades? Whats that... you do? Well, this doesnt make sense... why would you be complaining about people saying relevant things about religion rather than people prancing around the world murdering people... Yeah, do I need to say more?

So every creationist is an intolerant psychopath?

Way to be ignorant.

Apparently I do need to say more, fantastic. NO! But everyone who was a part of the crusades was... I never went out of the crusades, I never said anything more about religion than that! The only thing I was saying is you are defending people whos religion has caused the deaths of so many people and what deaths have the people on this forum caused? 1... maybe at a push. And you are jumping around like a god damn monkey slinging crap at people that havent really done anything to deserve it, by the way the monkey crap thing is the best thing I have typed today (in my opinion).

Modern society has advanced, religion included. So I don't go around blaming Christians for the crusades. Mainly due to the fact that the modern Christians where not in the fucking crusades.

This would be like me judging Germans based on the actions of the Nazis.

So no apology for falsely accusing me of ignorance? and youre point is? I never said mordern day christians have anything to do with the crusades... other than their religions blood drenched history.

Then what was your fucking point? Are you saying you brought up the crusades for absolutely no reason?

If you do have a point then your original post was so convoluted it was hard to find it.

Still no apology? Well, thats rude. My point was to put youre hatred of people typing words at chrisitans that arent ever going to see it, into perspective, regarding what other methods SOME people use on people they disagree with.

 

[murphy7801]

yes the bible if read with a not religious eye makes god to a fairly monstrous character who is flawed with all the flaws humans who made him.

you've read the entire Bible? I admit in the Old Testament God is terrifying at times but what about the New Testament?

the new testament was made so long after the birth christ if he was born at all you might as discount the whole thing really though yes god does get bit personality change

 

[Internet Kraken]

Wow, as of writing there's 13 posts and it's already religious.

Anyway, good. I really hope it's legitimate because it'd be a huge plus for science.

(See, that was a more subtle dig at religion.)

Religion is subtle to me, they yell in the city centre about how I am going to hell... ME... ME! Dont go pointing your fingers at me and blaming my life style for all the things that are wrong with the world, bloody hate-mongers... and yes they do monger hate... my hatred of them for their bloody shenanigans.

I can't stand religion - I see it as unnecessary and pointless. Others can take it how they want but I do object people trying to force their views on others - more specifically me.

I've never understood why they yell at me (us) about going to hell. For one I don't believe in it so its already ruled out. And two, by shouting at people are they going to get themselves into their heaven? Probably not. SO WHY DO IT?

Agreed, whole-heartedly.

Way to be ignorant. The idea that every religious person wants to convert you is ridiculous. In my entire life their was only one time someone tried to convert me. They asked if I was familiar with the teachings of god. I said I'm not a very religious person and I would prefer to stay that way, and then they left me alone.

What's funny is that the people I find to be intolerant are you. The idiots who think they are smarter than others because of religion. You complain about them trying to force you into religion, yet you do the same thing by forcing the idea of evolution upon them.

Don't be a hypocrite.

I thought I should give you a second chance but now I just think you are stupid, do you even know what hypocrisy and ignorance are? We never said every religious person wants to convert us, we said that the ones that have tried annoy us. Also, we never forced our opinions of evolution on anyone... who? Come on, who? You clearly thought that we had other wise you wouldnt just take an uninformed shot in the dark like that because that would make you an idiot... or would you?

Oh yes mighty overlord. My stupidity is clear. I am sorry for offending you with my inferior intellect.

Get off your high horse. You say the Christians that try to convert you are annoying? Well people who try to convert you to evolution are just as annoying. My point is that the Christians that try to convert you are the minority. So complaining about them is pointless. You are judging a religion based entirely upon the actions of one small group of people.

Also it's obvious that the people here are forcing the ideas of evolutions of others. Maybe it's because they keep saying things like "This will finally make all those stupid creationists shut up". I wish the people forcing the ideas of evolution on others where the minority, but they're not. From what I have seen, most so called intellectuals can't tolerate religion at all.

Glad that you see your folly. Well, there is alot of truth behind evolution and well... we all know about religion. Also you know I dont judge christians solely on them being bloody annoying when doing themselves some converting, I also take into consideration their history and actions. Basically everything that is important when judging something.
Also, I dont think a creationists first thought when they see the title "New "missing link" for evolution" is going to be "Wow, I bet this forum is going to have nothing about creationists". And how many people have come to your house preaching evolution? None? Thought so.

The history of the christian religion is not relevant if you are tracing it back to the fucking crusades. Ask any Christian person what they think of the crusades. Almost every single one of them would agree that they where a series of pointless feuds.

Blood as been spilled over many things. Should I judge every person from the south based on the fact that they once supported slavery?

Also an evolutionist has never knocked on my door and asked me to accept their ideas. However, neither has a christian. But I have seen many people mock religious folk based on their beliefs and them not supporting the ideas of evolution.

 

[murphy7801]

You can't prove evolution, just like you can't prove creationism, so just get over yourselves you jerks sitting on your throne of logic, looking down at every other theory out there and saying " You are inferior because you are not logical!" Your just as bad as creationists.

uh there's something called evidence there's no evidence of god there's a fair amount of evidences for evolution admittedly. reason why atheist don't like intelligent design doesn't really stand up to Occam's razor