New Vegas Factions

[Scarecrow]

Vipers, jackal, and khans were raiders, nothing more. Go talk to the ex khan member of the 1st recon, who justified bitter springs. If a 1st hand response to it isn't enough than i don't know what is. The legion would have destroyed their individuality anyway if you watched the legion ending.

Yeah, and so were the Hangdogs, and Blackfeet, and Iron Lines, and Twisted Hairs. Caesar gives them purpose apart from raiding.

Bitter-Root does not make a good witness, seeing as he's coping with PTSD from the incident. The Legion does destroy the individuality, because that's what'll hold them back from becoming a part of a large society.

House: He is an idiot as dependency on one man leading them would be destroyed when he dies. Progress in short term, lost in long term.

Agreed.

NCR: They have more than just the courier. They have ways to do thing other than one man. A faceless bureaucracy cant be idiotic as its a composition of many people. It can be slow, but not retarded. These guys are the same as America, and the last step humanity took before they offed ourselves. Logic would dictate that the last step would be the best place to start and continue from there. Just because you fall off a horse doesn't mean you have to ride a pig, you get back on the horse and continue on.

America offed America. Enclave.

Caesar has more than the courier. Caesar is winning, the NCR is quaking in its boots.

And if you keep reloading a save from before your game crashed, you're going to keep on crashing. I can do silly examples too.

Legion: Caesar forces his savage culture down the throats of everyone, which creates more savage humans than they were before if that was even possible. Just because a nuke dropped doesn't mean we have to go back to square one. They don't care for Caesar's ideals, they follow the violence like the knights did in the crusades. It also doesn't help they turned Caesar into a man-god which would enrage the escapists here due to anti-religious sentiment. A state religion of worshiping Caesar certainly wouldn't help things.

...Rome was savage?

Caesar worships Mars. NCR worships Tandi. NCR has proved that its Senate is nothing without its queen bee; they turn to the brahmin barons. Caesar's preistesses know to follow his teachings, and once the Legion has its Rome in Vegas, the Legion could weather a thousand years.

The NCR the most civilized and has the most potential, House comes in close second, yes man in third, and Caesar in -dead- last with pun intended.

NCR is hardly civilized. Talk to Knight at Mojave Outpost; laws regarding fair and proper treatment of gay servicemen are rarely enforced, even within NCR territory. Caesar's laws are never broken within the bounds of Legion territory, let alone outside it.

That's true. I don't agree with the slaves or the sexism of the legion, but they give the impresion of being more organized and civilized...if brutal and unforgiving.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

That's true. I don't agree with the slaves or the sexism of the legion, but they give the impresion of being more organized and civilized...is brutal and unforgiving.

NCR was pro-slavery, excepting Tandi herself. Vortis, the slaver in charge of NCR's holding pens in Fallout 2, had ties all the way up to Vice President Carlson.

I do agree that the sexism in the Legion is a bad point. Caesar himself should know from Hecate and her War Daughters that women are a force to be reckoned with. :/

Maybe. If the khans started what they couldn't finish what it started its own damn fault. Same with the batarians from mass effect. No sympathy. They instigated hate in both games and they got it.

Again, the Great Khans didn't start it. Do British people today attack Americans because their forefathers fought in 1776?

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

I find myself like I did in fallout 3. Ultimate good guy. Sorry ceaser's legion, but all of you must die. I am nutural with the NCR. They seem alright. I like the brotherhood, even though they are tech hording fudgenuts. so I find myself the Lone Ranger, if you will, of the mojave desert.

 

[Scarecrow]

That's true. I don't agree with the slaves or the sexism of the legion, but they give the impresion of being more organized and civilized...is brutal and unforgiving.

NCR was pro-slavery, excepting Tandi herself. Vortis, the slaver in charge of NCR's holding pens in Fallout 2, had ties all the way up to Vice President Carlson.

I do agree that the sexism in the Legion is a bad point. Caesar himself should know from Hecate and her War Daughters that women are a force to be reckoned with. :/

Maybe. If the khans started what they couldn't finish what it started its own damn fault. Same with the batarians from mass effect. No sympathy. They instigated hate in both games and they got it.

Again, the Great Khans didn't start it. Do British people today attack Americans because their forefathers fought in 1776?

Slavery may be brutal and evil...but as a great t-shirt once said:

Spoiler

This is a joke, please don't get mad.

 

[zombiestrangler]

I've done all four and I have to say that I usually go for Yes Man because Caesar's an asshole, NCR is useless and corrupt, and House, while he made very good sense to me, he decided to bugger the Brotherhood. Now, I feel he should at least CONSIDER at least a probationary alliance with them. Why not? They're not gonna raise too much of a fuss due to them being damn near extinct. Also, if you could persuade MacNamera or Hardin, whoever, to be a little more lenient with the rules, WIN! BoS doesn't die off and House gets decent engineers and meaty soldiers who can go farther than his robots. But that isn't a choice, so I slit House's throat and put Mr. Smiles and me in charge.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Slavery may be brutal and evil...but as a great t-shirt once said:

Spoiler

This is a joke, please don't get mad.

It does get things done. Like, all of Rome!

 

[BlumiereBleck]

snippy

I have not once mentioned the Great Khans. The innocent are the citizens who were killed by NCR troopers, in bittersprings and in freeside. who runs brahmin trade? NCR and Crimson Caravan, and Cass.

Bitter springs was a Khan stronghold and even they took potshots at people. As one of the ex-khan members of the 1st recon said "they fucking deserved it". Freeside is basically a slum where people attack anyone for anything. Also if you helped the kings and the NCR get together they fix up freeside entirely.

they took it by force and threats. and the rest of NCR military will tell you bittersprings was more of a massacre then "potshots" 1 recon member doesnt represent the whole army.

No but it pretty much showed the khan side of things. They weren't peaceful they were just as savage as they were before.

so that justifys mass murder of innocent and escape citizens?

Maybe. If the khans started what they couldn't finish what it started its own damn fault. Same with the batarians from mass effect. No sympathy. They instigated hate in both games and they got it.

i never cared for mass effect.

 

[Scarecrow]

Slavery may be brutal and evil...but as a great t-shirt once said:

Spoiler

This is a joke, please don't get mad.

It does get things done. Like, all of Rome!

It's funny really...slaves never built the pyramids. They were built by farmers who got payed in small amounts of money and large amounts or beer.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

1. Caesar may have numbers but against technology it would be laughable. For example if the Enclave fight for caesar that old squadron of fallout 2 awesomeness strikes fear into the hearts of the entire empire. Even Caesar declares that his empire shall not even touch the enclave in a legion ending.

Yup. But, then again, Caesar beat NCR with a bunch of sharp sticks and a lot of planning. The Enclave's gone anyway, and the Army/Ranger split in NCR would just start another one.

2. Rome was very savage especially by our modern standards.

It was damn effective, though.

3. Sure, but i has the most potential for modern civilization to get back on its feet. We barely enforce our many laws yet we are on a better note than caesar is with his totalitarian doctrines.

The "modern" civilization was racist and fearful of change. China was the enemy because it wasn't white and it wasn't American.

4. If you crash doing something. Don't do it or fix it so its no longer possible. This means don't drop nukes on each other.

And if Caesar can't build nukes and NCR can, what's the problem here?

 

[TheDooD]

I'll go for NCR after helping the Brotherhood and Enclave who proved that they can work together.

 

[mentalkitty789]

For those who have played the game Fallout - New Vegas, you'll know that the ending can be influenced by player decisions to allow for one of four major factions to ultimately own both the city of New Vegas and the surrounding Mojave region. There is the New California Republic (or NCR), which is a pre-war USA-style nation based in, of course, California: Caesar's Legion, a group of violent neo-Roman slavers: Mr House, a 200-year-old human and owner of New Vegas; and the player character himself/herself, with the help of a robot called Yes Man.

At the moment, I am doing a playthrough which supports Mr House. It only seems fair that he should be in charge as he has practically owned the city for centuries and is the only character who is actually from what we would recognise as "our world". Plus, helping the other factions usually involves killing House, and since he is literally on life support, that just seems........low to me.

What about you guys?

Who do you support most of the time?

Post-war California?

Pseudo-Roman salvers?

The face on the screen?

Or the......smiley face on the screen?

Please explain your choices.

Honestly House seemed the best choice to me, sure he isn't for a democracy. The thing is in the wastelands a democracy isn't always best. Democracy is an almost slowly painful process, not that I don't love it, but it a world where you're law is only good when you can enforce it such a process isn't best... Cesar's Legion was just a bunch of bastards, I went into their camp and slaughter Cesar myself. (Mwahahahaha, bastard. >3)The NHR just seem too ineffective to be worth the time. House though, House had a plan, a vision. All he needed was me to give him the means to do it. Also he didn't care how people lead their lives. He didn't care if you were gay or straight. He didn't care about your race. He didn't care about personal beliefs All he cared about was progress. I never worried about House becoming some sort of mad dictator. Sure the streets were 'cold' but a cold logical way of leading is the price in the wasteland for progress, and the survival of the individual. (So long as they didn't oppose House.)
Of course in the end I'm sure everyone would want to be in charge themselves. Out of everyone you could follow though I favored House.

 

[hem dazon 90]

Legion or independant are the best choices

NCR is corrupt and mr house is jst the same exact thing

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

1. Power armor and minguns beat the legion. California has plenty of both evident by fallout 2.

Uh, no, seeing as the Legion has won regardless of power armor and miniguns, which NCR had at Hoover Dam back in 2277.

2. No because it collapsed when fighting stopped which will happen when Caesar stops fighting. His troopers will find other ways to kill many people.

Google 'Pax Romana'. It was the greatest period in human history, where everyone was at peace.

3. china was hated because they invaded anchorage trying to get the oil, and trying to replicate what America did to Mexico. When that failed they nuked America but still ended up with the short end of the stick.

Didja see some of the posters in Fallout 3? How about Liberty Prime? People hated Chinese people because they were communists. They hated communists because they were Chinese people.

4. Uranium in California was depleted i think. However Helios one requires only sunlight. Wasn't the story originally about NCR repairing helios one to beat back the legion using the same rays from the raisin brand guy? Two scoops of death!

I personally wrote the line on the Vault that says "NCR is rapidly trying to convert the Helios One plant into a weapon to beat back the Legion" based on what was known of the game at the time. I was wrong, actually; NCR has no real idea about the laser.

 

[AlternatePFG]

Personally, I think the Golden Ending is the Independent Ending where you side with as many people as possible. I don't like how the NCR seems to forcefully annex settlements, the Legion is just way too violent for me, and Mr. House seems like a dictator.

 

[mentalkitty789]

Personally, I think the Golden Ending is the Independent Ending where you side with as many people as possible. I don't like how the NCR seems to forcefully annex settlements, the Legion is just way too violent for me, and Mr. House seems like a dictator.

No offense but in that ending aren't you pretty much doing what House was going to do? The only difference you're the one calling the shots by end game. That doesn't make you any better than House.
Yes that is probably the best ending, if you want control over who lives and who dies. Out of all the endings where you have to CHOOSE a side. I choose Mr. House, mostly because he is the most affective out of all of them. He doesn't have democracy to slow him down, and he isn't a crazy bastard like the Legion.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

1. yea but if you notice they refuse to use the good armor (t-51b) and instead used salvaged T-45d armor which is laughably bad.

Still better than the Legion armors.

2. And remember that Rome still fell when it grew too large, and had no one to steal money from in wars. NCR may have followed a flawed government, but Caesar is following an even more flawed governmental system.

Every government is going to fall eventually. But which lasted longer? The American democracy, which lasted 301 years, or the Roman empire, which was... what... a thousand?

3. Yes, and that could be from the war. Remember pre-9/11 when no once cared for islam? And after 9/11 everyone started hating and fearing it? Start a war and everyone will hate you using propaganda.

The President walked out of oil talks when China showed up, way before the war started.

4. Why would you predict something like that? Promising two scoops of death only for it to be half a cup of death?

'Cause that's what we do. We get as close to the truth as possible until we get the game.

 

[AlternatePFG]

Personally, I think the Golden Ending is the Independent Ending where you side with as many people as possible. I don't like how the NCR seems to forcefully annex settlements, the Legion is just way too violent for me, and Mr. House seems like a dictator.

No offense but in that ending aren't you pretty much doing what House was going to do? The only difference you're the one calling the shots by end game. That doesn't make you any better than House.
Yes that is probably the best ending, if you want control over who lives and who dies. Out of all the endings where you have to CHOOSE a side. I choose Mr. House, mostly because he is the most affective out of all of them. He doesn't have democracy to slow him down, and he isn't a crazy bastard like the Legion.

Well, didn't the House epilogue talk about how House ruled over New Vegas like a dictator? I don't remember, haven't played in awhile.