New Vegas to Player: Don't Wander in Here Until We F***ing Tell You To

[DustyDrB]

Normal on hardcore is pathetically easy. the isn't hard maybe you just suck at it.

Hey, thanks man! Your kindness is suffocating.

I have leveled up. This isn't my first RPG. I'm a Bethesda vet. If no one else is experiencing this, then I'm wondering if this is a bug. 8 Strength, 84 in melee and my attacks are barely hurting them. Weapon is in great condition as well.

Seriously? A lead pipe? If that was a joke in the OP then I apologize. As others here have noted, my experience in getting eaten alive in some areas is just a case of the game designers having higher level creatures in some places.

EDIT: I read your other post. Not sure what to tell ya, sorry.

Actually, I just checked again. I'm getting 68 DPS (29 DAM) with the lead pipe. The Rebar Club gives me 44 DPS (36 DAM).

 

[Last Valiance]

I still cry about my first ever encounter with a super-mutant at lvl1 on fallout3

Cazadors are tough, but super-mutants are actuallyt scary for me: at frist they are just dim silhouettes on the far side of the river; surely they must be men in power armour; no humanoid is that big, so you happily introduce yourself to them, and BAM, splat-dead, with all the shrieking and yelling about how feeble your species is, their huge hulk and insurmountable reckons of hp in their lofty bars.
Painful.

With NV I felt like I'd seen it all, really...

 

[Dragerien]

I actually made the game fuck itself up... when I first met Vulpis, and he had just ransacked the town of Nipton, I kinda just HAD to kill him >.> So I did, dropping mines, running back, and getting rid of the melee fighters there and THEN gunning out the other two gunmen, and making hte game think he's dead WAY Too early.

 

[meticadpa]

I love this game.

But I think that's a good thing, rather than Oblivion and Fallout 3's levelling system where you're never going to be out-gunned.

Sometimes I don't want to be able to take everything out.

 

[aaaaaDisregard]

Cazadors are brutal - my level 22 character with a sniper and gauss rifles, in power armour, with Boone and ED-E as companions is afraid of these creatures. And the game really is difficult sometimes - radscorpions pose quite a threat at the beginning, no matter how high you weapon skill is.

But Obsidian can hardly be accused of building invisible walls for low-level players - it's normal for stronger enemies to be encountered in the areas to which player supposedly goes at later part of the game. They are here to provide constant challenge, so player won't be bored by weak opposition.

There's another approach to this problem, and it's extensively used by Bethesda in Fallout 3 and Oblivion - enemies level up with a player, so everybody everywhere is just slightly weaker than you, always. Go to the king's palace with 1-lvl character, open his treasury and find rags; encounter a rat and face brutal challenge for your high-level hero in adamantium armour and magic sword size of a telegraph pole.

I prefer Obsidian's balancing.

 

[GundamSentinel]

I actually made the game fuck itself up... when I first met Vulpis, and he had just ransacked the town of Nipton, I kinda just HAD to kill him >.> So I did, dropping mines, running back, and getting rid of the melee fighters there and THEN gunning out the other two gunmen, and making hte game think he's dead WAY Too early.

Ha, did that too! Then I reloaded a savegame because I felt I wasn't being a good sport.

 

[The Bum]

Let's all share our tales of exploration, because I know I can't be alone. You're exploring, as you're wont to do, and you encounter some critters. The game calls them Cazador, but I know some Fallout version of the Wicked Witch of the West has sent them to fuck up my plans of discovery. Though, wielding my trusty lead pipe, I can take a man's head clean off in one fell swoop, these insect fiends laugh at my apparently not so mighty blows. Yes, I swear I hear them laughing. Or is it me losing my mind because all I've eaten for weeks is gecko steak?

So I've turned the difficulty down. Way down. They still kill me. So what are your stories of Obsidian's ridiculously over-leveled creatures thwarting your exploration attempts?

Edit: I feel like I need to add that I do like that the game adds these areas. I'm not complaining, it just caught me off guard because I'm used to Bethesda's system of enemies scaling along side you.

Uh, you do know when they sting you get poisned right? And if your poisned and get hit again you take a shitload of damage? Just use a gun and have lots of antivenom.

 

[The Bum]

Cazadors are brutal - my level 22 character with a sniper and gauss rifles, in power armour, with Boone and ED-E as companions is afraid of these creatures. And the game really is difficult sometimes - radscorpions pose quite a threat at the beginning, no matter how high you weapon skill is.

But Obsidian can hardly be accused of building invisible walls for low-level players - it's normal for stronger enemies to be encountered in the areas to which player supposedly goes at later part of the game. They are here to provide constant challenge, so player won't be bored by weak opposition.

There's another approach to this problem, and it's extensively used by Bethesda in Fallout 3 and Oblivion - enemies level up with a player, so everybody everywhere is just slightly weaker than you, always. Go to the king's palace with 1-lvl character, open his treasury and find rags; encounter a rat and face brutal challenge for your high-level hero in adamantium armour and magic sword size of a telegraph pole.

I prefer Obsidian's balancing.

E-DE is the dog right? Where do you get him? I've looked every where and don't have a clue.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

SNIP

Anyway, speaking as someone who hasn't played the game but is familiar with this type of "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" technique; go elsewhere. Eventually you'll come back and be able to progress there. Its just the game nudging you in the direction it wants you to go. Want to rebel that system? Time to grind my friend.

 

[micky]

find something to keap your distance with them, like a spear or dynamite. ever since i found oh baby! its been a walk in a corpse riddled park.

 

[Dragerien]

I actually made the game fuck itself up... when I first met Vulpis, and he had just ransacked the town of Nipton, I kinda just HAD to kill him >.> So I did, dropping mines, running back, and getting rid of the melee fighters there and THEN gunning out the other two gunmen, and making hte game think he's dead WAY Too early.

Ha, did that too! Then I reloaded a savegame because I felt I wasn't being a good sport.

I didn't keep a save, because I primarily don't like saving and stick to two save slots ^^; So needless to say, I fucked it up, and keep debating restarting.

 

[aaaaaDisregard]

E-DE is the dog right? Where do you get him? I've looked every where and don't have a clue.

Nope. It's an eye-bot. You can find it in Primm, in the building to the right and forward from the place to which you teleport by fast-travel. You have to have high repair skill to activate it though.
Dog is a Rex-something, which is found in Freeside.

 

[Mordwyl]

Stop making me want this game more. I can't afford it yet.

 

[GamingAwesome1]

Ooh. Hang on a moment. TvTropes has a name for this type of thing.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeefGate

Here we are, it's a pretty common game deisgn thing, used to nudge the player in the right direction.

Also, enjoy losing hours of your life clicking around that website, I sure have.

 

[ryanxm]

hah have you seen the new death claws? those things are freaking impossible to kill!

i still dont go near that mining town...

 

[Kroker]

At level 5 I decided to head Southwest. Encountered about eight or nine feral ghouls. Ran away to encounter no less than six giant radscorpions. At once. At level five. On the very hard difficulty setting. With hardcore mode on.

Did you make it?

Yes. By hopping away like a coward. Still made it to where I wanted to be though so I was pretty satisfied with the result.

 

[ethaninja]

Fight of flight? Yeah right.

 

[The Bum]

E-DE is the dog right? Where do you get him? I've looked every where and don't have a clue.

Nope. It's an eye-bot. You can find it in Primm, in the building to the right and forward from the place to which you teleport by fast-travel. You have to have high repair skill to activate it though.
Dog is a Rex-something, which is found in Freeside.

ooohhh now wonder i can't find him, i was looking on the strip. Thanks!

 

[DustyDrB]

Once on Fallout 3, on my second play-through and after installing Broken Steel, I came across a plasma rifle wielding Enclave soldier near Super Duper Mart, when I was on level 3 or 4. That wasn't much fun - grenades definitely saved my life there.

But I keep hearing about the Cazadors in NV. Sound like serious business...

They caught me off guard the first time I encountered them. I something fluttering my way and thought "Allright! Time for some Bloatfly Home Run Derby!". The scene played out more like an allergic little boy running from an angry swarm of wasps. Giant Wasps.

E-DE is the dog right? Where do you get him? I've looked every where and don't have a clue.

Nope. It's an eye-bot. You can find it in Primm, in the building to the right and forward from the place to which you teleport by fast-travel. You have to have high repair skill to activate it though.
Dog is a Rex-something, which is found in Freeside.

A tip: open up Jamestown for fast travel before letting Rex join your party. I tried letting him follow me there, only to run into a Cazador swarm which killed him. I had to go to a previous save. I can't stand seeing dogs die. I even hate having to kill the Legion Mongrels.