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Saelune said:
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
There's plenty of cases in the world where the losing side of the war still venerates its dead. Gallipoli commemorates both Turkish and Allied soldiers, the heads of state for France, the UK, and Germany commemorate WWI together, Japan has plaques for its soldiers who died in WWII, etc.

Also, the Nazis had the explicit intent of wiping out entire races of people for their "Lebensarum," and put those goals into action. For all the evils of slavery (and it is an evil, let's not deny that), it can't compare to the horrors of Nazism, at least in terms of intent. That, and while slavery was the defining factor of the Civil War, it's a mistake to think that every soldier who fought for the Confederacy was doing so just for the sake of slavery, just as much as assuming that the idea of "Southern Pride" or having a Confederate flag makes you a bigot.

hanselthecaretaker said:
but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist..idk.
You monster!
 

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Hawki said:
Saelune said:
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
There's plenty of cases in the world where the losing side of the war still venerates its dead. Gallipoli commemorates both Turkish and Allied soldiers, the heads of state for France, the UK, and Germany commemorate WWI together, Japan has plaques for its soldiers who died in WWII, etc.

Also, the Nazis had the explicit intent of wiping out entire races of people for their "Lebensarum," and put those goals into action. For all the evils of slavery (and it is an evil, let's not deny that), it can't compare to the horrors of Nazism, at least in terms of intent. That, and while slavery was the defining factor of the Civil War, it's a mistake to think that every soldier who fought for the Confederacy was doing so just for the sake of slavery, just as much as assuming that the idea of "Southern Pride" or having a Confederate flag makes you a bigot.

hanselthecaretaker said:
but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist..idk.
You monster!




Oh what a tangled web history weaves. Considering the above statement along with current outrage over recent Nazi sentiments down south, I wonder how much of it will ever extend to the refugee issue Europe is facing, knowing it will inevitably apply to the US as well.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
Hawki said:
Saelune said:
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
There's plenty of cases in the world where the losing side of the war still venerates its dead. Gallipoli commemorates both Turkish and Allied soldiers, the heads of state for France, the UK, and Germany commemorate WWI together, Japan has plaques for its soldiers who died in WWII, etc.

Also, the Nazis had the explicit intent of wiping out entire races of people for their "Lebensarum," and put those goals into action. For all the evils of slavery (and it is an evil, let's not deny that), it can't compare to the horrors of Nazism, at least in terms of intent. That, and while slavery was the defining factor of the Civil War, it's a mistake to think that every soldier who fought for the Confederacy was doing so just for the sake of slavery, just as much as assuming that the idea of "Southern Pride" or having a Confederate flag makes you a bigot.

hanselthecaretaker said:
but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist..idk.
You monster!




Oh what a tangled web history weaves. Considering the above statement along with current outrage over recent Nazi sentiments down south, I wonder how much of it will ever extend to the refugee issue Europe is facing, knowing it will inevitably apply to the US as well.

I dont know why we are going offtopic but every religion has black sheep and extremist. its stupid to point out entire religion. there are 1.2 billion muslims in entire world.

anyone can make these propaganda video on youtube.
 

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Ezekiel said:
B-Cell said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
Hawki said:
Saelune said:
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
There's plenty of cases in the world where the losing side of the war still venerates its dead. Gallipoli commemorates both Turkish and Allied soldiers, the heads of state for France, the UK, and Germany commemorate WWI together, Japan has plaques for its soldiers who died in WWII, etc.

Also, the Nazis had the explicit intent of wiping out entire races of people for their "Lebensarum," and put those goals into action. For all the evils of slavery (and it is an evil, let's not deny that), it can't compare to the horrors of Nazism, at least in terms of intent. That, and while slavery was the defining factor of the Civil War, it's a mistake to think that every soldier who fought for the Confederacy was doing so just for the sake of slavery, just as much as assuming that the idea of "Southern Pride" or having a Confederate flag makes you a bigot.

hanselthecaretaker said:
but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist..idk.
You monster!




Oh what a tangled web history weaves. Considering the above statement along with current outrage over recent Nazi sentiments down south, I wonder how much of it will ever extend to the refugee issue Europe is facing, knowing it will inevitably apply to the US as well.

I dont know why we are going offtopic but every religion has black sheep and extremist. its stupid to point out entire religion. there are 1.2 billion muslims in entire world.

anyone can make these propaganda video on youtube.
You're biased. Stop pretending this isn't happening.
biased towards what?

biased is mainstream media plus social media and youtube channels who are doing propaganda.
 

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Ezekiel said:
B-Cell said:
Ezekiel said:
B-Cell said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
Hawki said:
Saelune said:
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
There's plenty of cases in the world where the losing side of the war still venerates its dead. Gallipoli commemorates both Turkish and Allied soldiers, the heads of state for France, the UK, and Germany commemorate WWI together, Japan has plaques for its soldiers who died in WWII, etc.

Also, the Nazis had the explicit intent of wiping out entire races of people for their "Lebensarum," and put those goals into action. For all the evils of slavery (and it is an evil, let's not deny that), it can't compare to the horrors of Nazism, at least in terms of intent. That, and while slavery was the defining factor of the Civil War, it's a mistake to think that every soldier who fought for the Confederacy was doing so just for the sake of slavery, just as much as assuming that the idea of "Southern Pride" or having a Confederate flag makes you a bigot.

hanselthecaretaker said:
but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist..idk.
You monster!




Oh what a tangled web history weaves. Considering the above statement along with current outrage over recent Nazi sentiments down south, I wonder how much of it will ever extend to the refugee issue Europe is facing, knowing it will inevitably apply to the US as well.

I dont know why we are going offtopic but every religion has black sheep and extremist. its stupid to point out entire religion. there are 1.2 billion muslims in entire world.

anyone can make these propaganda video on youtube.
You're biased. Stop pretending this isn't happening.
biased towards what?

biased is mainstream media plus social media and youtube channels who are doing propaganda.
You know what I mean. You're biased towards your religion.
but like i said theres many extremist and bad people in every religion including mine. and I respect everyones culture, religion, philosphy etc.

when will people learn ISIS are not Islam? they are just secret agents posing as muslims.
 

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B-Cell said:
when will people learn ISIS are not Islam? they are just secret agents posing as muslims.
Secret agents of what? They're using the Koran as their guidebook for killing and conquering. A book that, let's face it, has some pretty clear cut instructions on what to do to those outside the faith.
 

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Hawki said:
B-Cell said:
when will people learn ISIS are not Islam? they are just secret agents posing as muslims.
Secret agents of what? They're using the Koran as their guidebook for killing and conquering. A book that, let's face it, has some pretty clear cut instructions on what to do to those outside the faith.
CIA agents? blackwater agents? i have watched some documentries

because they interpret religion by thier own benefits.

ISIS are only minorities. majority of muslims are moderate and peacefull. but unfortunately media doesnot potray them.

anyways we should not talk about religions here.
 

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Ezekiel said:
The video didn't even talk about ISIS, unless I didn't pay attention enough. Nobody mentioned ISIS. The problems have existed long before before ISIS.
the video highligh religion in bad light ala a propaganda video. theres tons of these in youtube made by different clowns.

before ISIS there was alqaeda. so yes in some way you are correct. but before all these organization. there was no such thing as islamic terrorism. world was in chaos because of WW1, WW2, cold war etc. and islam as religion was already there. all these military organizations are a part of illuminati and freemasons on both sides.
 

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Ezekiel said:
One of the points of the video that was also raised by Hawki is that they're using the teachings of the Quran to justify their actions. We're not just talking about terrorism. Islam is bad for society.
only if you read the interpretation of extremist groups. they have different translation and different interpretation.

before these groups exist. why there was no "islamic" terrorism?

Islam is bad for society? if it was not for muslims. world would still live in dark ages. world first scientists were muslims, so were mathematicians. muslim scientiest invent first ever plane before wrights brothers did.
 

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B-Cell said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
Hawki said:
Saelune said:
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
There's plenty of cases in the world where the losing side of the war still venerates its dead. Gallipoli commemorates both Turkish and Allied soldiers, the heads of state for France, the UK, and Germany commemorate WWI together, Japan has plaques for its soldiers who died in WWII, etc.

Also, the Nazis had the explicit intent of wiping out entire races of people for their "Lebensarum," and put those goals into action. For all the evils of slavery (and it is an evil, let's not deny that), it can't compare to the horrors of Nazism, at least in terms of intent. That, and while slavery was the defining factor of the Civil War, it's a mistake to think that every soldier who fought for the Confederacy was doing so just for the sake of slavery, just as much as assuming that the idea of "Southern Pride" or having a Confederate flag makes you a bigot.

hanselthecaretaker said:
but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist..idk.
You monster!




Oh what a tangled web history weaves. Considering the above statement along with current outrage over recent Nazi sentiments down south, I wonder how much of it will ever extend to the refugee issue Europe is facing, knowing it will inevitably apply to the US as well.

I dont know why we are going offtopic but every religion has black sheep and extremist. its stupid to point out entire religion. there are 1.2 billion muslims in entire world.

anyone can make these propaganda video on youtube.
Actually isn't it around 1.6 at this point? I understand how you may feel, but even if they say that far less than 1% of Muslims are extremists and involved with terrorist organizations, it still ends up being a few hundred thousand people. Ignoring it won't make anything any better for anyone. We also don't see a few hundred thousand Nazis infiltrating well-established societies across Europe.
 

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B-Cell said:
Ezekiel said:
One of the points of the video that was also raised by Hawki is that they're using the teachings of the Quran to justify their actions. We're not just talking about terrorism. Islam is bad for society.
only if you read the interpretation of extremist groups. they have different translation and different interpretation.

before these groups exist. why there was no "islamic" terrorism?

Islam is bad for society? if it was not for muslims. world would still live in dark ages. world first scientists were muslims, so were mathematicians. muslim scientiest invent first ever plane before wrights brothers did.

Why does most of the population still practically live in the dark ages though if they were ahead of the curve way back then? Regardless of what you say is true or not, there is at the very least a disconnect of logic between then and now.

I will say though, and we're getting into taboo territory here, but the U.S.'s involvement in forming the state of Israel after the Holocaust, as well as the record amounts in yearly aid given could be considered a major catalyst towards the formation of all these extremist groups. I remember reading a letter that Bin Laden wrote to America during Obama's first term IIRC, and I must admit he kinda hit the nail on the head on quite a few points. It is unfortunately something that will never really matter though, as taking it to heart would mean upsetting the current power structure in this country, which is poised to remain indefinitely.

Having said that, the situation in the Middle East is pretty much the proverbial definition of insanity; one which the U.S. would do best to stay out of, if I were going to speak freely.
 

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New gameplay trailer, really wish this was a summer game because I cannot wait for this game
 

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New gameplay trailer, really wish this was a summer game because I cannot wait for this game
Lol @ 1:43

But yeah, this game looks a lot of fun.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
Why does most of the population still practically live in the dark ages though if they were ahead of the curve way back then? Regardless of what you say is true or not, there is at the very least a disconnect of logic between then and now.
Yeah, pretty sure that if we spent as much time and money systematically fucking over huge swaths of Christians or Buddhists over the course of a century as we've been fucking with the Middle East, we'd have a huge number of Christian or Buddhist terrorists to deal with. With the, using their bastardized interpretations of religious texts to justify everything. Hell, Americans used the Bible to justify chattel slavery, so fuck that.

When things go to shit, hardline extremists come to power. Fact of the world. And we actively boosted hardline extremists over democratically elected governments because we wanted cannon fodder to fight the Soviets. Or because we wanted someone to be able to control disparate populations who were all of a sudden a "country", because we drew straight lives on a map without giving a shit.

We've spent a huge amount of time and energy absolutely fucking a region for a century, and we're trying to pin the blame on the people we've been fucking. Fuck that, fuck the Nazi apologizism up thread, fuck the idea of a Wolfenstein protagonist who "can see positives in both sides".

Grab a shotgun, punch a Nazi, laugh as you vaporize the lot of them.