New York Teacher Tells Kids There Is No Santa Claus

[lRookiel]

<spoiler=Fuckin *****>

Have her shot! These matters are only to be discussed between the parents and their kids, not some stupid bint teacher who has successfully ruined a big part of those childrens childhood.

 

[Gmans uncle]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/03/new-york-teacher-tells-kids-there-is-no-santa-claus

Here's the REAL question, what where you doing on THAT website?

 

[Wicky_42]

Kudos to the teacher for giving kids the TRUTH. Also, obligatory C&H:

I've never really seen much of C&H but that was an awesome strip, thanks for the share!

OT, wut? That's news? And it's really left to a teacher to let kids in on reality? I mean, there's lies to children and then there's just straight up denial of facts. If your kids can't handle it then you should have let them read more books and helped them discern stories from reality Then again, judging from Fox's approach to video games, I guess that's never been a strong point of a certain demographic in the States...

 

[Danny91]

Unlike a lot of people here, I can't remember how old I was when I realised Santa wasn't real, it wasn't a massive single understanding, so I don't pinpoint it to a specific age...it was just never that important to me once I knew that there would be presents regardless ha ha

 

[red the fister]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Years and years parents preach that teachers need to be an important part of children's upbringing, with values like honesty at the very center of the debate, and now they ***** about a teacher being honest and "demystifying" the fictional figurehead of a commercial (yes, commercial, deal with it) holiday?!
If there is any kind of justice in the world, the teacher will not only NOT get in trouble, but the school will also make a formal statement to the parents, politely telling them to go suck it. God. Damn. D:<

If an 8 year old kid asks the teacher to explain sex, should the teacher "be honest" and do it or should the teacher refuse to discuss the subject?



The latter is what should have happened here. Santa is like religion, You could claim religious beliefs are lies too because they lack proof but then you miss the point of religion.

Let's see... is sex considered inappropriate for kids of that age? How about... yes.

Is the truth about Santa inappropriate at any age? Let's see... no.

Ok then. If a kid asked the teacher "Is there a God". What would the teacher do? Would he "be honest" and say that there is no scientific proof of a God or would he refuse to discuss it?

Let's see... is the government allowed to have an official position on God? No.

Is the government allowed to have a position on Santa Claus? Yes

Do the parents actually believe in Santa Claus? No
Might the parents actually believe in God? Yes.

This is not hard.

1) I wasn't aware the government had a position on Santa. What is the governments position on Santa?

2) I never said God and Santa were identical just that the belief is similar and not to be discussed in schools.

1) Maybe if you stopped to think a bit you might realize obvious things about the first amendment and what teachers are allowed to say given that they're employed by the government. But that would require thinking instead of reactionary BS.

2) Yes, you said they're similar and not to be discussed on school based on nothing solid, except a stupid comparison of concepts that are quite different legally(due to the 1st Amendment) and culturally.

Oh I see.

Well, let's look at your line of reasoning. It is also not illegal (according to the 1st Amendment) to answer those sex questions either. So would you be ok with the teacher telling the class all about sex because being honest is more important than the desires of parents?

It's not about legal or illegal. Religion is not discussed in schools because it is outside the scope of school as is a belief or non belief in Santa.

It's outside of the scope for a reason that doesn't apply to Santa at all. Further the teachers do not just restrict themselves to what is inside the scope of the school. The reason they restrict themselves from certain things is not JUST because they're outside the scope of the school.

Like Santa, it's outside the scope of school. Santa is for parents to talk to their kids about. Legal, illegal, neither have any bearing on this topic.

Why are you repeating 'outside the scope of the school' junk when I already addressed it?

Surely you can agree that there are some things that should be left to parents to teach. Well, IMO this is one of those things. You don't want to tell your kid that Santa is real, fine but then wouldn't you be upset if the teacher told them the opposite?

How about no, this is not one of those things. It lacks enough importance to complain about.

It's apparently important enough for you to be here arguing about.

So you're resorting to pretending you lack the intelligence to make anything but childish and stupid replies? "Hur dur, look you're replying it's important!"

Wow, this post advanced the conversation.

If it's not important then why are you putting up such an argument?

If you're not playing stupid, why are you ignoring the blatant fact that not everything someone does with their time is that important? Why are you playing a stupid game of distraction by pretending it matters?

I don't argue about things that I don't think are important. I just figured most people are like that too. Do you just argue for the fun of it?

Do you distract from the point just for the fun of it?

You've officially lost this argument. Instead of addressing what I said, you attempt to insult me. We're done.

Lolwut? Let's see... you think you can just decide that? Well wow, I didn't realize I was talking to the King of the Internet. Or wait maybe I'm just talking to someone pathetic enough they think they can just declare victory when someone points out that they're distracting from the issue by asking irrelevant questions.

I mean, how stupid is it to get all whiny over the fact I didn't address your question, when your question had jack shit to do with the argument? "Waaaah, you won't fall for my red herring fallacy, u so mean u lose"

now, i'm not going to go back and find the first insult but when debate devolves into insults the discussion is over, the initial insulter accepting the fact that their logic has failed, thusly, 'f you sling the shit you've already quit.

What's so hard about sticking to actual logic instead of blatantly false beliefs like that it is "the initial insulter accepting the fact that their logic has failed"? That's not how logic works. If I say "That's wrong because of X" then saying "That's wrong because of X, stupid" is not somehow any less valid logically.

simple.
it has nothing to do with being correct and everything to do with winning.

i'm sure you've seen the News Network "interviews" where a member of whatever community is simply steam-rolled by a very loud and childish churl employed specifically to "win" the debate. they don't use logic and/or facts. they use Volume (turned up to 11) and the "Party Line" opinions which are accepted as Fact by the audience.

also: "That's wrong because of X, stupid" is no longer a statement of fact as you have attached an opinion, stupid.
do you see what i did there? i used your own argument against you in a way that you seem to have no problem with.

personally, i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE being proven wrong. if i was always right, this race of ours would have absolutely no redeeming qualities.

 

[Murahk]

Ugh... People that tell the truth disgust me. It's like that prick that acts all smug because he's doing everything people hate but he's not doing anything wrong.

I lie when necessary because most people can't handle the truth in my experience. Let the children have their Santa Claus because even though it's lying, it's making them happy.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Call me a dick, but I sincerely hope that teacher gets fired. :/

So do I.

In my books, a teacher is supposed to teach our children, not raise or spoil them. That would be our job as parents.

 

[thats it exclamation]

I would have loved to be there to have seen their faces, it would have been priceless.

Oh yeah, fucking hell I remember my mate used to go around and if he sees a kid alone i a shopping center he goes up and makes the big reveal. Hasn't done it for years but it was hilarious at the time

 

[Zing]

I grew up knowing Santa wasn't real and my Christmases weren't any less exciting and fun. What's the difference between the notion that some magic fat guy or my parents give me cool shit?

That said, he could have just avoided the mess by telling the kids to ask their parents about that one.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

I'm a person who grew up with a big reliance on my imagination. Santa Clause was someone I believed existed, and I would imagine him alot when I was younger when it was almost christmas time. Now that I'm older, I respect the stories my parents would tell me and all the carols about him. It plays to a childs mind and uses what they like to make the holiday what it's meant to be - fun, family oriented and exciting!

I can see kids in my head now going "SANTA'S COMING! SANTA'S COMING! Gotta get the milk and cookies!"

It's a magical kind of moment, that. They're all excited at the idea of this great man breaking into their home at night and giving them gifts for being good that year. So I say Yes, it is bad to tell kids that he does not exist. Let them be innocent and enjoy their years as a young'in because god knows that sort of thing disappears when you get older. I still mess with my imagination but it's not the same. I grew up with the moral of telling the truth, too ike42. That being said my family also took happiness of the families children into account as well. So it was kind of a loophole. =3

tl;dr: Santa is one of the things that should be linked to a childs (religion allowing) early life experiences before they grow up and have to deal with the big bad world. D:

What this guy said.

Jeez people, you all had terrible imaginations. They're all kids. It's not some sort of "religious" attempt at brainwashing them, it's a fun thing to keep the holiday spirit alive. You people need to work on your gut reflexes.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

I grew up knowing Santa wasn't real and my Christmases weren't any less exciting and fun. What's the difference between the notion that some magic fat guy or my parents give me cool shit?

That said, he could have just avoided the mess by telling the kids to ask their parents about that one.

The part that some magic feat guy has magic and can fly.

 

[DoubleTime]

It frustrates me because while it maybe wasn't the gentlest or most elegant way for them to find out (depending on how she told them), it was still a safe place to find out and she was DOING HER JOB! As a teacher she has a responsibility to tell kids the truth and keep polarized stuff neutral. Santa is factually a lie, albeit a fun tradition to an extent, and therefore something she unequivocally could tell them the truth about. Plus there's a chance she had no choice about teaching about the North Pole since the school district typically tells teachers what they will be teaching and when.

I applaud her for being honest rather than copping out. She did her job unlike a lot of other teachers who try and interject their beliefs because secular school systems offend them. If it's that big a deal then teach at a private school that shares your beliefs, not proselytize where it's illegal and unwanted.

 

[Zing]

I grew up knowing Santa wasn't real and my Christmases weren't any less exciting and fun. What's the difference between the notion that some magic fat guy or my parents give me cool shit?

That said, he could have just avoided the mess by telling the kids to ask their parents about that one.

The part that some magic feat guy has magic and can fly.

That doesn't mean anything. The gifts are what matters.

 

[Gloomsta]

So don't let them be happy, just in case they feel a twinge of sadness when they're older?

Lies dont bring happiness, real things do.

If i have kids, the christmas magic will be the love in the family.

As for the twinge of sadness, there wont be any, because there will be no such thing as Santa.

Its time to stop conditioning kids into fantasy land, and then destroy all that fantasy by the time they get old.

Real Life is severly underrated due to negativity.

Its time for real life to be the new santa. Love,Freedom and Challenge is the real happiness.

 

[Dunkhelzahn]

"It's outrageous that a teacher would strip a child of their innocence and try and demystify something," 59-year-old Margaret Fernandez said.

Because God forbid a Teacher to attempt to teach.

 

[Dunkhelzahn]

Call me a dick, but I sincerely hope that teacher gets fired. :/

So do I.

In my books, a teacher is supposed to teach our children, not raise or spoil them. That would be our job as parents.

So if I told your kids that their were no alligator lizard people who lived in the outbacks of Australia, or that there was no tribe of Amazonian Jungle women, or that Superman isn't real, then you'd take offence?

All that raising a child is is teaching a child how to take care of itself and function in the real world.

 

[Dorian6]

Plus the "modern" look has roots in both the saint and motherfucking Odin.

And anything that incorporates the fucking All-father is automatically awesome!

That wasn't sarcasm. Odin is a fucking badass! Ripped out his own eye in exchange for infinite knowledge! What did Jesus ever do, die on a cross? Odin is going to be killed by a giant fucking wolf in the final great battle to destroy evil! Top that Christ-god!


OP: And yeah, that's a total dick move, that's like telling a room full of kids that Jehovah isn't real. You just don't do that.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Geeze, that's rough. I grew out of my belief in Santa, but I'd never tell a little kid that!

 

[JoesshittyOs]

I grew up knowing Santa wasn't real and my Christmases weren't any less exciting and fun. What's the difference between the notion that some magic fat guy or my parents give me cool shit?

That said, he could have just avoided the mess by telling the kids to ask their parents about that one.

The part that some magic feat guy has magic and can fly.

That doesn't mean anything. The gifts are what matters.

Technically it's family that matters and how would you know if your christmasses were any more exciting? You never believed in the first place.

 

[BlackWidower]

Yes! Fight the power! Go figure, I'm against lying.

Now, if only we did the same thing to adults.