New Zealand Earthquake

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Wolf-AUS

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You make a fair point. But while justice is not a common thing these days, doesn't mean we should deprive those who we can grant it to given the opportunity. I'm not suggesting that any of the groups you have mentioned deserve to be ignored, but I'm not going around implying that those people are insignificant because they amount to a very small percentage of the population of the world. I guess what I'm asking is, is it really necessary to piss on the grave of the fallen by discounting their lives and passing them off as minor losses, when it would be considerably more apt to acknowledge the heartache caused and move along?

Loss of life isn't something that you compare with other instances of the same, it's not a contest to see who is most deserving of our grievances, I'm not saying you should be in mourning or anything as such but surely common courtesy is in order?
 

Sonicron

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... Sheesh. That corner of the world really can't catch a break lately, can it?
Hopefully the death toll won't rise much higher. 75 is bad enough as it is. :\
 

Superior Mind

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Eico, I for one would appreciate if you kept your cynical opinion to yourself at the present time. Undoubtedly death happens, undoubtedly people suffer and clearly you've had tragic first-hand experience of this. That sucks mate and I feel for you - but people are suffering right now. I am still awaiting news of friends and family in Christchurch, I'm waiting to see if my army reserve company is deployed to the quake zone - which I would prefer as I hate seeing all this and being able to do nothing. The death toll is 75 with it expected to climb into the hundreds. This is a scary time for many and you saying that this doesn't matter is the worst thing you could possibly do right now.

I get so fucking sick of the self-righteous opinion that whenever something bad happens it shouldn't be treated as serious because "worse things happen all the time". Fuck that. Show a little compassion or at least show some fucking common sense and keep your mouth shut.
 

Wolf-AUS

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Eico said:
Wolf-AUS said:
You make a fair point. But while justice is not a common thing these days, doesn't mean we should deprive those who we can grant it to given the opportunity. I'm not suggesting that any of the groups you have mentioned deserve to be ignored, but I'm not going around implying that those people are insignificant because they amount to a very small percentage of the population of the world. I guess what I'm asking is, is it really necessary to piss on the grave of the fallen by discounting their lives and passing them off as minor losses, when it would be considerably more apt to acknowledge the heartache caused and move along?

Loss of life isn't something that you compare with other instances of the same, it's not a contest to see who is most deserving of our grievances, I'm not saying you should be in mourning or anything as such but surely common courtesy is in order?
Not in my opinion, no.
Awesome, so because people have "out-done" the Kiwis and suffered more and had more deaths inflicted we should piss all over the graves of everyone who dies less traumatic deaths. I'm so glad we have people like you around mate. If only everyone had such a disregard for human life.
 

CINN4M0N

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The irony of Eico is that she argues to have more respect for human life, but for the masses.
 

MelziGurl

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Wolf-AUS said:
MelziGurl said:
Wolf-AUS said:
It is unfortunate that this has happened. What I hate is how in Australia it has overshadowed every single other piece of news from anywhere else in the world. So, I guess all those riots in all those different countries in the middle east just stopped and everything went back to normal, right? I can honestly say they show nothing but earthquake stuff at the moment.
I was in NZ during the QLD floods, did you know know that almost every time I got to see the news that was all they were reporting on? And considering I live in QLD myself, I kinda appreciated being able to see and stay up to date with things while my family couldn't contact us due to the phone lines being flooded. And considering we have a rather large Kiwi population over here, I would say it's kinda fair to show the amount of footage they've been playing. It's only day 2 for Christs sake...it's fresh, and you expect something different?????
Not what I'm saying at all. I understand completely wanting to stay up to date, hell, I was amongst the people looking for dead after the cyclone/floods, so I get that it's nice to stay up to date on what's going on around the area. But, maybe, is it too much to ask for a little bit of news on what's going on in other parts of the world. Sure, devote 1/2, a half, maybe even 3/4 of the news to the earthquakes. But, possibly some foreign news would be nice too?
If what's in the news is something I haven't already heard enough of before in the past, then yes. Other than that, when news has only JUST broken I can understand completely why there would be 1hr long specials devoted to it especially in regards to a natural disaster that is currently affecting many lives. The only time I even pay attention to the news these days is when something big has occurred.
 

MelziGurl

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Eico said:
Wolf-AUS said:
Eico said:
My grandmother was diagnosed and died of breast cancer not more than a month ago. I had a friend commit suicide a few months ago as a result of years of bullying. A husband and wife couple I grew up with both died of AIDS. It happens. Life goes on. Your presumptions do you no credit.
Not the same familiarity with death I'm talking about. But I'm not here to get into a pissing contest. Granted everyone dies, but people who meet their end through particularly traumatic circumstances cannot be brushed off as it simply happens, it's not the same as someone who passes due to old age. The Kiwis still trapped under rubble are facing particularly trying times ahead of them until they get rescued, some won't be rescued and will die trapped under the buildings, a bit of empathy for them and their families is warranted. Being so callous and showing such little value in human life does these people no justice.
Justice doesn't exist, my friend. Not in this world. What of the people starving, overdosing, having heart attacks, dying of disease and infection? More than one hundred and fifty thousand people die every day. Do none of these people deserve forum posts? What of the homeless who literally die in the gutter every day? Is it because they are easier to ignore? That sounds far more callous than I. Why grant to some such respect, when to others, who die a grievous death on a daily basis, receive none? I don't see any forum posts about them. Is it because it happens so often it's become background noise? Is it as easy for you to ignore them as it is for me to shrug off the deaths of 0.0014% of a wealthy, first world, developed and thriving country's population? Is it because the news is shoving this down your throat and you've yet to hear of the others? Is it okay to ignore some, simply because no one talks about them? Is empathy due only when the majority decide it is? Picking and choosing who to give your condolences is queer to me; I'd have thought all human life equal. If one was to mourn the loss of so few, why not the others, numbering so many more?

Maybe, just maybe, if one was to pause and consider just the children who are dying this very second, not even the elderly or adult, numbering many, many times more than the Kiwis trapped under their workplace roof, one would receive some perspective. Is this earthquake a good thing? No. Are there an order of magnitude worse situations going on this very second I type this and you read it? Yes. Have you any idea the number of civilian casualties since America began the occupation of Iraq? More than 100,000. And those are people dying in the collapsed reminisce of their home, in the car that was set alight, in fire fights between the waring factions. And that's going on right now. Every day. For years. More than a thousand times greater is that death toll than this. You'll forgive me if, by comparison, my priorities are elsewhere.
There are some out there who have put themselves in the situation they are in...think of that? Maybe that is why there isn't such a large scale focus on their lives and sorry states. Unfortunately those who are innocent of such things find their situation is overshadowed. That kind of thing happens everyday, it isn't news anymore but that doesn't mean it is forgotten. I make my donations to charities, I am currently sponsoring a third world child but I'm sorry, the fact that my best friend almost lost her Aunt and numerous other relatives over in Christchurch takes precedence over all of that.
 

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Our part of the world has taken a beating recently. This earthquake is horrifying. Good luck to all the kiwis out there, in regards to friends, family, and your own lives.
 

LoFr3Eq

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Have some of your friends just died Eico? of the few confirmed dead I personally know one of them, he was quite close to my brother. have you just seen your home town been turned to rubble? Do you mourn for a lost city and its people. the death toll will likely reach over 300.
 

Wolf-AUS

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MelziGurl said:
If what's in the news is something I haven't already heard enough of before in the past, then yes. Other than that, when news has only JUST broken I can understand completely why there would be 1hr long specials devoted to it especially in regards to a natural disaster that is currently affecting many lives. The only time I even pay attention to the news these days is when something big has occurred.
You can't ignore the rest of the world just because this has just happened, I would have had no idea that Libya had started bombing their own people in air-raids had it not been for my curiousity in the other world affairs. Surely a country using it's own Air Force, bombing it's own populace and taking the death toll to over 1000 warrant some air time?
 

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Eico said:
Mmm. I saw this on the news this morning. Seems fairly minor; relatively little loss of life.
Consider that in terms of percentage of the population of the city and that's like 2,000 people dying if it was in Los Angeles. So it's not completely insignificant. Also the CBD has now been destroyed as was still recovering from the 7.1 September 4th earthquake. You shouldn't be so casual about deaths when people on this board know people who have died. Unless of course you want the same level of respect sent your way.
 

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I live in southern California, an area fairly well known for it's quakes. I was a tad bit surprised at how much damage was done by a quake only on the top end of mediocre. I might be a bit biased, and the structures we build here are pretty dang good against Earthquakes because of their commonality.

I hope they manage to recover okay, but I don't doubt they will.

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Nouw

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Just as an update the death toll is now 118 with 200 missing. May be more.
 

MelziGurl

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Wolf-AUS said:
MelziGurl said:
If what's in the news is something I haven't already heard enough of before in the past, then yes. Other than that, when news has only JUST broken I can understand completely why there would be 1hr long specials devoted to it especially in regards to a natural disaster that is currently affecting many lives. The only time I even pay attention to the news these days is when something big has occurred.
You can't ignore the rest of the world just because this has just happened, I would have had no idea that Libya had started bombing their own people in air-raids had it not been for my curiousity in the other world affairs. Surely a country using it's own Air Force, bombing it's own populace and taking the death toll to over 1000 warrant some air time?
New Zealand happens to be a close nation to us, it's air time is going to be a hell of a lot more than Libya's unfortunately and I don't just watch the news, I read it too. You go online and you'll find there are actually more news stories being put through that you see on TV. And as much as I feel for Libya at the moment I still care more about what is happening over in New Zealand. That's me personally, I won't speak for others.