Nintendo Switch....DOA

[Fonejackerjon]

Well, who is it being marketed too? People who like to pay more money for a less powerful console that has a smaller library of games? It's too expensive and low power to be a worthwhile home gaming console, and it's battery life is too short to be a worthwhile handheld. Not to mention how cumbersome it is. It has the weaknesses of both handhelds and consoles and the strengths of neither. So what's the point?

I'm struggling to see what demographic this is apparently being marketed to, other then the hard core Nintendo fans. I suspect that, as a result, it will fail to find an audience and fail. But only time can tell.

People who play Nintendo games and people who want to play a new Xenoblade game (where is X2?!).

So the same audience as the WiiU? We've already seen how well that played out.

People can't just deflect valid criticism by saying the game "isn't marketed to you." That's a non-argument.

It is a good argument though. A console that was marketed towards "everyone in existence" would be the perfect console, and the most perfect piece of technology ever actually. Companies have to choose who they want to appeal to, because they can't have everyone. Nintendo, obviously, is not marketing towards the tech savvy, power hungry, GRAFAX obsessed PC crowd. They just aren't. They are marketing towards Japan. The Switch was designed for Japan, as much as people here might hate that.

Then why is it so large and cumbersome compared to a 3DS, and why does it have a terrible battery life? Are Japanese businessmen really supposed to pull this out on a crowded train to work, and keep it on their person during the day? Saying "it's not marketed to you" fails to address any of the actual criticisms being made. Therefore it's a non-argument.

Yes...but what happens after Mario and Zelda? what then? one year later another Zelda and Mario? Nintendo can only flog a dead horse so many times.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Yes...but what happens after Mario and Zelda? what then? one year later another Zelda and Mario? Nintendo can only flog a dead horse so many times.

I dunno... Other games that are coming out for the thing that aren't Mario or Zelda? Like the list of titles we saw announced for this thing, and future titles in the years to come. There's more to a Nintendo system than Mario and Zelda, and 9/10 times I find that anyone defaulting to that argument don't actually pay attention to anything released on a Nintendo system, and like to pretend those are the only two IPs that exist under their belt. It's half assed

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Nintendo finally announced that Breath of the Wild will be running in 900p at 30fps on a docked Switch.

That's REALLY not great for a first party Nintendo title that's basically their current flagship game.

That's not to say that a Zelda game needs to run at 60fps, they aren't that fast paced, it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

Honestly, I would have rather they reduced the amount of foliage, shadows, lighting, and particle effects if it meant a higher framerate, resolution, or both, especially considering it's already a semi-cell-shaded art style.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a direct sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on a console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

it's one thing to point it out.

it's another to whinge and moan for months on end about it. (people were complaining about how Switch won't be as powerful as PS4 and Xbox One back before they even knew what the damn system was when it was still called NX FFS!)

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

it's one thing to point it out.

it's another to whinge and moan for months on end about it. (people were complaining about how Switch won't be as powerful as PS4 and Xbox One back before they even knew what the damn system was when it was still called NX FFS!)

Someone's gotta balance out all the nintendo fanboys that are eating this thing up, otherwise nintendo will think they did a good job.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

it's one thing to point it out.

it's another to whinge and moan for months on end about it. (people were complaining about how Switch won't be as powerful as PS4 and Xbox One back before they even knew what the damn system was when it was still called NX FFS!)

Someone's gotta balance out all the nintendo fanboys that are eating this thing up, otherwise nintendo will think they did a good job.

ok so you won't mind me shitting on every little thing you get excited for in the future then will you?

i mean after all, it'd just be "balancing things out" according to you.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

it's one thing to point it out.

it's another to whinge and moan for months on end about it. (people were complaining about how Switch won't be as powerful as PS4 and Xbox One back before they even knew what the damn system was when it was still called NX FFS!)

Someone's gotta balance out all the nintendo fanboys that are eating this thing up, otherwise nintendo will think they did a good job.

ok so you won't mind me shitting on every little thing you get excited for in the future then will you?

i mean after all, it'd just be "balancing things out" according to you.

Oh yeah, I'm totally cool with that. In fact I shit on a lot of the things I love on a daily basis. Nothing is perfect and criticism of flaws is healthy.

There are people at my work who think that I secretly hate everything, when the truth is I love a lot of stuff that's incredibly stupid, but I revel in its terribleness rather than pretending that it's not terrible.

I'm currently excited about Nioh and Nier Automata, and I just finished playing Shadow Warrior 2 which I thoroughly enjoyed. So feel free to go nuts.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

ok so you won't mind me shitting on every little thing you get excited for in the future then will you?

i mean after all, it'd just be "balancing things out" according to you.

You need to stop caring so much about what people say. Trust me, it'll make your life a bit more calm and relaxed. It's ok for people to shit on things people like, or to be cynical about it. Unless YOU are the specific target, there's no need to get so wound up

 

[votemarvel]

I don't understand why this "console power" argument still persists.

Because to many it is important.

People want to know what they are purchasing is an improvement over what they already own. From what I've read most Wii U games ran at 720p at least. The Switch's big launch title, Breath of the Wild, running at 900p isn't a big leap from that especially when those customers are seeing terms such as 4k and Ultra HD bandied about.

 

[Schadrach]

No games but rehashes underpowered specs (not mentioned but let's face it if it was more powerful than the xbox or ps they would be singng it from the rooftops) overpriced, awful presentation, paid online for a service not yet established not one original aaa game and piss poor battery.life

Honestly cam even hardcore nintendo fans defend this????

Long story short: You wanted a next-genconsole that could be made mobile, they made a next gen mobile system you can dock to your TV.

 

[votemarvel]

Truly? It's a good way be elitist most of the time, in the end how "fun" a game is doesn't depend on graphics and a weak system can run a game better than a stronger system if it is optimized correctly. Hell, Xenoblade X looks better than most PS4 and PC games I've seen.

Of course how good a game is doesn't depend on the graphics, I'm replaying Shining Force III at the moment, but they do help.

Can you honestly say you'd be enjoying Breath of the Wild as much if it were made on the NES? Sure it'd still be a good game but as good? The power of a console isn't just in its graphics, it's the better sound, better physics, larger worlds, quicker loading.

Sure optimisation can help but the Switch will run into the wall a lot quicker than the rival systems.

The problem is as I said before, the Switch wants to be a home console and a handheld. Are third party developers really going to put the effort into games for the undocked Switch? I suspect we'll see, initially, them just making the games for the undocked Switch, accepting that 40% loss of power. Will those games still be good, sure. But they could have been a whole lot better.

 

[Yoshi178]

The power of a console isn't just in its graphics, it's the better sound, better physics, larger worlds, quicker loading.

Xenoblade X has a larger world than any PS4 or Xbox One game i've seen AND it doesn't have any load times besides for cutscenes and quick travel and even then it usually only takes a few seconds to load.

on top of that, the Switch is using cartridges. it is a fact that cartridges don't require installation times, nor do they require long load times like discs do. power has got nothing to do with that.

 

[Fonejackerjon]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

SNES, N64 AND GAMECUBE say hi. Yeah nintendo is never about power ffs power is in the nintendo 64's name!