Nintendo Switch....DOA

[RaikuFA]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

And seriously, paywalls behind consoles aren't new.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

It's not just less graphics, it's when compared to the competition there's little if anything for the Switch to brag about. With free online gaming having been scratched off the list now, too. It's handheld so I suppose it can brag about that for about the 3 hours of battery charge it has.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

Sure, but I can't take the PS4 on a car ride.

Oh, and I still haven't found a compelling reason to own more than one controller for my PS4.

It's not just less graphics, it's when compared to the competition there's little if anything for the Switch to brag about. With free online gaming having been scratched off the list now, too. It's handheld so I suppose it can brag about that for about the 3 hours of battery charge it has.

The battery life thing doesn't bother me. I'll just borrow one of my roommates half-dozen portable batteries he got when Pokemon Go was wrecking his phone.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

Sure, but I can't take the PS4 on a car ride.

Okay, but is that the only thing it has over the PS4 and Xbox One? Because I'll be honest, I can live without that. I don't take that many car (or other transportation) rides, and certainly not ones that last long enough for me to wanna pull out a gaming device.

It's a home console on the go, but it's still a home console and is being marketed as such. And when compared to the competion in the same field it falls very short.

Oh, and I still haven't found a compelling reason to own more than one controller for my PS4.

Me neither, but if I have to buy a new one because my old one broke down I know I won't have to pay 80 dollars for it. And this is just me making a wild guess, but the reaction of the average consumer that doesn't know or care about the tech that's inside the joycon is going to look at that 50 dollar price tag for a little, plastic looking toy and laugh.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Okay, but is that the only thing it has over the PS4 and Xbox One? Because I'll be honest, I can live without that. I don't take that many car (or other transportation) rides, and certainly not ones that last long enough for me to wanna pull out a gaming device.

It's a home console on the go, but it's still a home console and is being marketed as such. And when compared to the competion in the same field it falls very short.

Ever think that maybe this console isn't being marketed to you?

Me neither, but if I have to buy a new one because my old one broke down I know I won't have to pay 80 dollars for it. And this is just me making a wild guess, but the reaction of the average consumer that doesn't know or care about the tech that's inside the joycon is going to look at that 50 dollar price tag for a little, plastic looking toy and laugh.

Eh, decent chance you'll still be able to play whatever game with just one joycon.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

 

[RaikuFA]

Oh, and I still haven't found a compelling reason to own more than one controller for my PS4.

My only thinking would be getting a charging station and a 2nd controller to charge because those have a bad battery life. Also they're more expensive than a PS4 game.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Ever think that maybe this console isn't being marketed to you?

You could make the same arguement for the Wii-U; It's just a console that isn't marketed to gamers like me. But I fear it's the gamers like me Nintendo needs to grab, because the Wii-U showed that the hardcore fans aren't enough, and that Wii audience is forever gone.

Eh, decent chance you'll still be able to play whatever game with just one joycon.

That doesn't inspire me with much confidence.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

Yes, and the PS4 controller is already an expensive piece of hardware, but atleast it feels like you're buying a nice, sold controller, not two little slips of plastic for 80 bucks.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You could make the same arguement for the Wii-U; It's just a console that isn't marketed to gamers like me. But I fear it's the gamers like me Nintendo needs to grab, because the Wii-U showed that the hardcore fans aren't enough, and that Wii audience is forever gone.

It was also marketed poorly. Like, "why would I buy this $300 Wii peripheral" poorly. Having a 3rd party heavy launch lineup where your pledged 3rd parties back out at the last minute didn't help either.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

Yes, and the PS4 controller is already an expensive piece of hardware, but atleast it feels like you're buying a nice, sold controller, not two little slips of plastic for 80 bucks.

If you say so. I felt the Wiimote was pretty sturdy while I have to encase the PS4 controller in some NERF plastic to feel like I'm not going to break the damn thing.

 

[Casual Shinji]

It was also marketed poorly. Like, "why would I buy this $300 Wii peripheral" poorly. Having a 3rd party heavy launch lineup where your pledged 3rd parties back out at the last minute didn't help either.

And the Switch is giving me a major case of deja vu. Large sections of the presentation were dedicated to awkward Wii actions you could perform with the joycons. Nintendo still trying to recapture what is lost, instead of making real changes.

And as for that Switch launch line-up... Yeah. I think even the Wii-U had a better one.

If you say so. I felt the Wiimote was pretty sturdy while I have to encase the PS4 controller in some NERF plastic to feel like I'm not going to break the damn thing.

I wasn't refering to the Wiimote, I was refering to the joycon; the slip of plastic that barely covers half of your palm. 50 bucks, please.

 

[Blitsie]

Paid online.

I think I'm done here.

it's ok when Sony and Microsoft do it.

Really? I've seen people be defensive about XLive Gold, but this was back during the 360/PS3 gen where it was supposedly the better service of the two because of it being premium or something like that? I only got into online console gaming this gen so I'm not sure. The response to PS Plus being a big paywall for a lot of online features was quite negative from what I've seen and Gold as well started getting more flak as people started asking "just why?". So its warranted that Ninty is getting crap for also trying their luck here.

But eh, money talks and they're certainly getting it, we otherwise wouldn't have had paywalls if it didn't now would we?

 

[Foolery]

It was also marketed poorly. Like, "why would I buy this $300 Wii peripheral" poorly. Having a 3rd party heavy launch lineup where your pledged 3rd parties back out at the last minute didn't help either.

And the Switch is giving me a major case of deja vu. Large sections of the presentation were dedicated to awkward Wii actions you could perform with the joycons. Nintendo still trying to recapture what is lost, instead of making real changes.

And as for that Switch launch line-up... Yeah. I think even the Wii-U had a better one.

Nah. Wii U had New Super Mario Bros. U and some half-baked ports that you could get on other systems. It's more akin to the Wii, like you said, even launching with a Zelda, that's also on the previous system.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Nah. Wii U had New Super Mario Bros. U and some half-baked ports that you could get on other systems. It's more akin to the Wii, like you said, even launching with a Zelda, that's also on the previous system.

I think some ports would've been justified for the Switch launch. Anything to pad out the dismal line-up they have now. It would've benefited Nintendo if they'd put some of their top Wii-U exclussives on the Switch for launch. Very few people bought the Wii-U anyway, so it's not like the Switch would be in danger of overlapping with it. And by doing so they might've swayed a lot of people who were hesitant on picking up a Wii-U, but still wanted to play Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, and Bayonetta 2, to buy a fresh new Switch. At least it'd have a nice collection of high quality and diverese games to show off on launch along with Breath of the Wild.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Maybe if I try hard enough, my hands will start to cramp up like they are 'supposed to' (yet never have before) using the Gamepad.

Never made that claim. So now not only are you an irrational hater, but a liar as well. Congratulations.

Oh damn, where did that report button go? Ah, there it is....

 

[Foolery]

Nah. Wii U had New Super Mario Bros. U and some half-baked ports that you could get on other systems. It's more akin to the Wii, like you said, even launching with a Zelda, that's also on the previous system.

I think some ports would've been justified for the Switch launch. Anything to pad out the dismal line-up they have now. It would've benefited Nintendo if they'd put some of their top Wii-U exclussives on the Switch for launch. Very few people bought the Wii-U anyway, so it's not like the Switch would be in danger of overlapping with it. And by doing so they might've swayed a lot of people who were hesitant on picking up a Wii-U, but still wanted to play Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, and Bayonetta 2, to buy a fresh new Switch. At least it'd have a nice collection of high quality and diverese games to show off on launch along with Breath of the Wild.

I imagine that'll be done sometime down the road. Switch is already getting Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, I wouldn't be surprised if they repackaged Smash Bros. and Hyrule Warriors fairly soon.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I imagine that'll be done sometime down the road. Switch is already getting Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, I wouldn't be surprised if they repackaged Smash Bros. and Hyrule Warriors fairly soon.

They need that shit now though, at launch. I know Nintendo for some stupid reason likes to sparse out their games, but they need the best their stable has to offer to pull the Switch into the public's eye.

 

[Kameburger]

Very simply...Nintendo to produce a standard high power console, reasonable price and get those supposed intelligent Nintendo software designers to come up with some original games and original characters and not recycle the same games generation after generation after generation, Zelda BOTW doesnt look that great, it looks like a late PS2 game. Whatever happened to that high end Zelda game that was teased on the original WiiU launch video? How can anyone trust Nintendo when they lied about that? That Zelda looked amazing, but it was vapourware.

Standard High power Console, with more original games and new characters? Nintendo hasn't done that in literally 4 (arguably 5) generations. At what point are you just expecting Nintendo to just not be themselves?

I mean for what it's worth even if you look at Zelda, they are producing a system that is meant to power the game at the same specs in a handheld as it does in a full screen, which must be a pretty difficult task. I'm also willing to bet it runs at 60fps on both handheld and TV modes, which is more than you can say for a lot of games on other consoles.

 

[Las7]

Their multiplayer games target 60fps(ARMs, MK8, Splatoon) - Zelda will be 30fps on the Switch and probably below 30fps on the Wii U. I don't see how they get it to run 60fps, unless they have some wizards working some magic in the background.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

So....after zelda and mario release what next?? Another mario and zelda two years later?

I'm sorry but I fail to understand how anyone can defend nintendo at this point they appear to have learnt nothing from the wiiu If anything it's worse this than that. Why do they continue to misread the market and chase a casual audience that doesn't exist anymore.

Oh and as for the whole 'it's OK if Sony Microsoft to charge for online. ' they are established good service providing free games, some aaa and not one thirty year old 8-16 bit game a month.

I think it's still a little to early to tell, but I think Nintendo has always aimed for people who want something different out of their gaming devices than what Sony or Microsoft has offered.

I think for instance you could look at this and say hey, I can play multiplayer games basically out of the box because it comes with two controllers. It clearly has local multiplayer which seems to be all but dead on other consoles except for with fighting games. The controllers look like they were designed for people who haven't really followed the evolution of controllers for the last 25 years, and in that sense I think it touches a farther reaching and broader demographic. The games look like classic Nintendo games, which should appeal to classic Nintendo fans.

I mean I think I'd prefer for Nintendo to just be different. Nintendo games on the WiiU for what its worth almost always ran at 60 FPS even if they were graphically inferior which speaks volumes about their priorities. And I think in general the games on the console had great presentation. if that continues I don't really see how this could be a terrible thing.

I hate to be rude here but it sounds like this console wasn't gonna please you anyway. But what would you want it to replace in your collection if it did meet your expectations? What is your ideal Nintendo Console?

Very simply...Nintendo to produce a standard high power console, reasonable price and get those supposed intelligent Nintendo software designers to come up with some original games and original characters and not recycle the same games generation after generation after generation, Zelda BOTW doesnt look that great, it looks like a late PS2 game. Whatever happened to that high end Zelda game that was teased on the original WiiU launch video? How can anyone trust Nintendo when they lied about that? That Zelda looked amazing, but it was vapourware.

You know, as much as people give shit about Nintendo reusing their titles, the other systems aren't always much better. Various games will come out from different people but a lot of them are muddled together and samey. I look at Steam and see lots of similar games too. Its becoming much and much less about coming up with something truly unique and more about what you do with it and the quality.

Honestly the last game I remember being truly different from anything I'd played before was Katamari back on the PS2...

 

[Yoshi178]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

It's not just less graphics, it's when compared to the competition there's little if anything for the Switch to brag about. With free online gaming having been scratched off the list now, too. It's handheld so I suppose it can brag about that for about the 3 hours of battery charge it has.

last time i checked the DS4 and basic Xbox One Controllers didn't have Motion and Gyro Sensors in them, they didn't have HD Rumble, nor did they have have a camera on them like the Joy Con does. the Joy Con is more advanced tech than what the DS4 and standard XBone controller have.

oh and by the way, the Xbox One Elite Controller is still almost double the price of what 2 Joy Con Controllers are. (at least in Australia it is anyway. over here 2 Joycons cost $120 whereas an Xbox One elite controller costs $200 over here)

 

[Bellvedere]

last time i checked the DS4 and basic Xbox One Controllers didn't have Motion and Gyro Sensors in them, they didn't have HD Rumble, nor did they have have a camera on them like the Joy Con does. the Joy Con is more advanced tech than what the DS4 and standard XBone controller have.

oh and by the way, the Xbox One Elite Controller is still almost double the price of what 2 Joy Con Controllers are. (at least in Australia it is anyway. over here 2 Joycons cost $120 whereas an Xbox One elite controller costs $200 over here)

It doesn't matter what tech is in it if people don't value the experience it provides as much as the asking price. If someone would prefer a cheaper controller over say being able to count imaginary ice cubes or play rock paper scissors, then having the extra "tech" is a mistake not a justification. At least as far as that person is concerned.

For all that Nintendo is pushing the ability to play the Switch your own way, they're putting a pretty high cost of entry on any option that isn't alone (worst roof top party ever).

EDIT: Aaaand I goofed up that last sentence. I meant high cost of versatility unless you're playing alone.