Nintendo Switch has sold 4.7 Million units to date.
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Furthermore, the myth of lack of new IPs from Nintendo also has another problem to it: Nintendo has repeatedly stressed that they only make a new franchise when they feel like they can bring something new to the table. They dislike overlapping things and prefer each franchise stand on its own. At this point, Nintendo has made so many franchises that there are very few genres they haven't made games for.Yoshi178 said:
Jesus Christ, is this thread still going? I guess it's true - the console wars never ended, and the PC master race looks on from Mount Olympus as the dirty console peasants fight over the scraps. And I say this as someone who primarily IS a dirty console peasant.
The PCdouchebags just argue about Nvidia Vs AMD, Intel Vs AMD, Steam Vs a free market, etc while acting above it all.Hawki said:
You're pulling from two Nintendo generations and you're still not even close to Sony's PS3 output. Plus, you're already down to stuff like Wii Sports and Music. Sony's High Velocity Bowling is better than Wii Bowling and something like Patapon is better than Wii Music (which is hardly even a game). It would be like me listing EyePet as one of Sony's glorious new IPs. And Xenoblade isn't a new IP, the series dates back to 1998. Nintendo doesn't own Platinum so Wonderful 101 is an equivalent to Demon's Souls, sure Nintendo owns the IP but that's not really that big of a deal because, you know, Dark Souls exists. When you don't own the dev, you only "acquire" that creativity for that game and that's it.Yoshi178 said:
Popularity doesn't matter. I don't get PlayStations for the Uncharteds, Killzones, God of Wars, etc. I get them for the wealth and variety of games, Sony makes games in EVERY genre, there's something for any gamer's taste whether it's a Uncharted or Journey, a God of War or Heavenly Sword (the much better game), a Horizon or Last Guardian, an Until Dawn or Heavy Rain. Sometimes the popular ones like Horizon and TLOU are indeed really good. Who remembers Folklore? I do.
literally asks me to give him new ip's on Wii & Wii U. give him exactly that.Phoenixmgs said:
expects me not to even though he just asked me to...Phoenixmgs said:
then goes on to think that because i said Nintendo still makes a lot of new IP's, that SOMEHOW means that i'm also saying they output just as many new ip's as Sony does?Phoenixmgs said:
oh and what's this? more new multiplatform 3rd Party Games arriving on Switch?
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-switch-version-of-beautiful-adventure-gam/1100-6452708/
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/blog/2017/08/21/fear-effect-reinvented-coming-nintendo-switch/?
i thought you said no more 3rd Party games would come to Switch?
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-switch-version-of-beautiful-adventure-gam/1100-6452708/
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/blog/2017/08/21/fear-effect-reinvented-coming-nintendo-switch/?
i thought you said no more 3rd Party games would come to Switch?
Since when does "or" and "and" have the same meaning? Plus, you even listed a game that wasn't a new IP. The fact that you had to pull from 2 generations to even make Nintendo seem like they made "lots" of new IPs says it all.Yoshi178 said:
It's extremely well known that Nintendo doesn't make many new IPs, Nintendo LIVES off its properties from the 80s. Just watch Yahtzee's Spatoon 2 review.
regardless of how pedantic you want to be about the and/or thing, that's still a bunch of new ip's i've just given you, and yeah there are a hell of a lot of sequels on Nintendo platforms made too. well duh, the company has been making videogames for nearly 40 years now. like someone else said they've already made games in pretty much every genre out there. they don't need to make more ip's especially since their current ones keep selling so why wouldn't Nintendo just keep on reinventing the series they already have by releasing new games for mario and such.Phoenixmgs said:
maybe if Sony made some franchise's as successful as these Nintendo franchise's you'd see Sony and Microsoft start to rehash them all the time too.
oh wait. you do. *cough*uncharted*cough*halo*cough*.
I was basically asking you to pick from Nintendo's last 2 consoles to go up against the PS3 in terms of new IPs, it's not that hard to understand. The fact that both Wiis can't even compete combined says it all. There's plenty of genres Nintendo doesn't make games in like racing sims, arcade racers, WRPGs, FPSs, adventure games (akin to Heavy Rain, Telltale, etc.), puzzle platformers (Team ICO games), sports sims, spectacle fighters, indie games (Journey, Flower, etc.), tower defense, stealth, survival horror.Yoshi178 said:
Uncharted is probably done...
Racing: Mario Kart, F-Zero, Excitebike/ExcitetruckPhoenixmgs said:
2D Platforming: Mario, Yoshi, Kirby, Donkey Kong
3D Platforming: Mario, Donkey Kong
Fighting: Smash Bros, Pokken Tournament.
RPG: Pokemon
Strategy: Fire Emblem
RTS: Pikmin
Sports: Wii sports and Mario sports games etc
Adventure: Zelda & 2D Metroid
Shooting: Splatoon & the Metroid Prime games
Puzzle: Dr Mario.
JRPG: Xenoblade.
Nintendo has more than enough of the genre's covered already.
bullshit it's done. Sony is going to milk Uncharted for all it's worth.
What is wrong with you? Seriously, what is wrong with you? A lot of the games you listed (Excite, F-Zero, etc.) haven't had an entry in 10+ years and if they have, they haven't had a console entry in 10+ years (like Fire Emblem). And the new Switch Fire Emblem is just a "Warriors" game, how quaint. LMAO at Wii Sports and Mario games considered sports games. Pikmin isn't an RTS. Metroid Prime isn't a shooter. If one were to buy a Switch, you literally can't expect to see all those franchises on the Switch. Nintendo didn't even make a shooter until fucking Splatoon, which is far from a hardcore shooter. There's so many genres Nintendo doesn't make, how about some new IPs to fill in all those gaps? Nope, Nintendo is just going to ride their 80s franchises forever. Why not make a wide range of games that are just thematically different like, oh I don't know, a mature game for once (which of course, you'll go back generations to find one)?Yoshi178 said:
Why would there be more Uncharted games? Naughty Dog made Crash games, then stopped, they made Jak & Daxter, then stopped, what leads you to believe Naughty Dog won't stop making Uncharted games? Naughty Dog made 2 new IPs alone last-gen.
Oh well, as long as we're defining genres in such a way as games don't count because, then sure, Nintendo doesn't make anything new. Doesn't matter that Arms is a new fighter, or Splatoon is a popular shooter, Nintendo's just going to ride their 80's franchises because their new IP's arbitrarily don't count.. Why can't Nintendo make new mature IP's, like being the only reason Bayonetta 2 exists? How come Nintendo doesn't fill those genre gaps, like that new fighting game that came out this year, or that sequel to the shooter that just came out, or their upcoming turn-based tactical game?Phoenixmgs said:
And of course Metroid Prime is an FPS. You play in the first person perspective, and your main interaction with the game world is shooting things until they die. What bizarro-land do you live in where that's not an FPS?
EDIT: Of course, you say Nintendo doesn't make arcade racers when Mario Kart is right there, not to mention the Switch exclusive Fast RMX.
Yeah, ARMS is totally going to become the new Street Fighter, Tekken, BlazBlue, MvC, etc. Splatoon is a shooter that just came out 2 years ago, it took Nintendo long enough to make a shooter, one of the most popular genres. Bayonetta is a Platinum property... There's tons of genres Nintendo doesn't make along with games that for the most part are very thematically similar.altnameJag said:
According to Nintendo themselves, Metroid Prime is not a shooter...
Kart racers are a genre themselves. Fast RMX is a 3rd-party game...
So, out of curiosity, are we complaining about Nintendo as a publisher or Nintendo as a developer? Because, say, Uncharted wasn't developed by Sony in the same way as Bayonetta 2 wasn't developed by Nintendo.Phoenixmgs said:
Don't get me wrong, Ninty's got 99 problems, but, like, maybe don't yell at them for not making new IP's while discounting two of their newest IP's because they aren't, what, as popular as Street-hecking-Fighter or, bizarrely, not old enough? While also complaining Nintendo leans to much on their old properties? Somehow?
As a developer mainly. It's the same situation with Sony and From Software and the Souls games. I don't expect them to keep partnering up because From isn't owned by Sony. Getting an exclusive From game is not expected when I buy a Playstation console. Can you bank on the Switch to get Bayo 3 or another Platinum game? Whereas getting say a new IP from Naughty Dog would be expected. Shooters are SUPER popular and for Nintendo to FINALLY make one just 2 years ago says a lot. And, all Nintendo games are also very similar in theme, ARMS and Splatoon have that "fun for the whole family" vibe to them that basically every Nintendo game has, where's the variety? Neither ARMS or Splatoon are what I would consider hardcore in regards to their gameplay either. Sony's output crosses far more genres while having more thematic variety like say LBP vs TLOU while also developing more new IPs than perhaps any publisher (whether Nintendo, MS, or the EAs, Ubisofts, Activisions). Who's making AAA quality adventure games like Heavy Rain or Until Dawn other than Sony? Nobody even makes a hardcore MLB game outside of Sony. What other publisher would've allowed for The Last Guardian to see the light of day considering the troubled development? You can make a legitimate case for Sony being the best publisher right now especially if variety factors in.altnameJag said:
Nintendo is bad with third party developers, but that's a publisher complaint, not a development one.Phoenixmgs said:
Rare was a second-party developer working exclusively with Nintendo when it developed Goldeneye, the game that put FPS multiplayer shooters on the map for consoles.Phoenixmgs said:
Same place as Rockstar's family friendly games exist I reckon. It's okay for Devs to specialize.
I mean. Splatoon's easily the most eSports broadcasting friendly game out there, but you do you I guess.Phoenixmgs said:
You are correct, Nintendo is not Sony.Phoenixmgs said:
Not convinced that's a bad thing though, as there's already a Sony. Having Nintendo try to be Sony while Sony already exists gets us into Battlefield vs CoD vs everyotherpissantwhothinkstheycanmakeallthemoney. That's how we got 4 dozen modern military shooters in 3 years, most of them believing they would pull CoD numbers, and most of them being garbage.
Sony is a publisher, they don't make games. Nintendo is a publisher and a developer. Sony Interactive Entertainment, being bolted to a huge consumer electronics conglomerate, can afford to sell at losses Nintendo can only dream of and has a huge credit limit to fund publishing large numbers of games and to take the hit whenever something doesn't pan out like they should. (*coughvitacough*
If Nintendo tried to be Sony, the Switch would cost $150 bucks, and Nintendo would be eating a loss every time they sold one. Or in other words, Sony runs on a debt margin, which is fine as long as everything goes smoothly. If the PS5 face plants as bad as the original Xbox One did? Sony wouldn't be publishing nearly as many games as they are now. If Nintendo tried to be Sony and had another console faceplant as bad as the WiiU did? Well, Mario merch might be able to pull off a miracle, but the only reason Nintendo isn't in dire financial straights is a combination of a huge reserve of NES/SNES money and the ds/3ds going gangbusters.
It is a Nintendo development complaint because all the devs Nintendo owns do basically make the same kinda games. Nintendo should either have their devs make games with more variety or buy more devs like how they bought Monolith Soft to basically acquire the Xeno series. The fact that you had to go back 4 generations to find a shooter Nintendo made says it all. And Halo put FPSs on the map for consoles because it got the controls down whereas Goldeneye controls are so dated. Who cares about how eSport friendly a game is? Splatoon is far from becoming some big eSport anyways and probably won't (maybe in Japan it will, the Japanese really love it), the cumbersome-as-hell phone-app online service is just plain retarded and will hold every MP game back on the Switch.altnameJag said:
I really don't care about publisher/developer semantics, I care about who Sony owns and who Nintendo owns. Buying a Playstation you can bank on getting a variety of games because of all the devs Sony owns. Does owning a dev make Sony a developer? Does it matter? Hell no. Sony has devs with "Sony" in the title as well. The only games you can really bank on getting from Nintendo are franchises that are 30 years old now and even then you might not get one of their major franchises like how Wii U didn't get a Metroid game. You can bank on getting a XenoBlade game because Nintendo owns Monolith Soft so it doesn't matter what is technically developed by Nintendo or Sony, it matters what devs they own.
That all leads to the point of why should I buy a Nintendo console over a Sony console when I'll get more games and more variety from Sony? What if I'm tired of Nintendo franchises? There's really nothing new Nintendo makes. If I'm tired of Sony franchises, I'm still going to get new IPs. Even just comparing Wii U and the Switch, why should I buy a Switch? I can play the new Zelda on the Wii U. I can play Splatoon online for free without the stupid phone-app network bullshit, same with Mario Kart and Smash. There's not much reason to buy a Switch especially right now.
Nintendo should do the thing, like Nintendo did the thing.Phoenixmgs said:
So, the only way to "win" this argument is to find a Nintendo shooter made more than one generation ago, but least then 4 generations ago, because if they are too new or too old, they don't count?
And that's fine. I'm not trying to get you to buy a Switch.
Just, consistency, you know?