No job if you don't speak Polish.

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Eekaida

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A factory has come under fire here in the UK for refusing to hire anyone who doesn't speak fluent polish - in other words, they only hire Polish people. Their justification for this? All their health and safety instructions are in polish. As you can imagine, the red papers (sun, star, news of the world etc) and pulling out their proverbial ring piece.

A little history for the not-british: since the UK government adopted and open-door policy to our borders a few years back, we've been inundated with migrant works from eastern europe, the most prodominent of which being Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with this - these people can't get jobs and want to come and work legally here. Great.

Problem? They're stealing jobs from british workers. LITERALLY. A friend of mine was a waitress in a pub, until two polish girls came in and told the landlord they could hire BOTH of them for what they were paying her - so naturally she got the boot. While this is the only case I've personally seen, I've heard tales of polish builders undercutting british ones left, right and centre. Does their work reflect the difference in price? Opinions vary, I think it depends on the builder.

Unions and workers across the country have been up in arms for years about out-sourcing and closing down factories. A particularly low blow came just last year when staff at an oil refinery went on strike about pay, and they jobs being handed over to the french. Duringthe strike, the French workers took up the factory, and the company payed them the rate that the british workers were asking for. The income of the entire area depended on the jobs at that refinery. Why bring in a whole new set of forign workers that you need to train and teaching English to (so they can read the health and safety instructions, of course), when you have a trained british staff who want a little more money?

But back on topic, this factory, which supplies ASDA, one of the biggest supermarket chains in the UK, is now refusing to hire non-polish speakers. ASDA, the papers, and even the government is getting involved. During this current econimic climate, I can well understand the fury coming from the british un-employed who are desperately seeking work. Its like being refused a job in America becuase you don't speak fluent Swahili. I'm sure thereare some people who can, but its not the dominent language. Conversly, its like being in Poland and told you can't have a job becuase you don't speak english.

I would like to know what fellow escapists think on this matter. Surely a job should be done in the language of the country its based in, or at least not to the exclusion of its natives? Have the papers made a mountain out of a mole hill, or has this factory stepped over the line?
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

A little info for the non-British: we're not all this silly, LITERALLY.
 

Jark212

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Now you know what it's like to be working class American:

 

Eekaida

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flamingjimmy said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

A little info for the non-British: we're not all this silly, LITERALLY.
Haha, made me laugh. I should clarify - I don't mean job vaccancies - those are open for everyone. I meant when one person is fired just so another can be hired in their place.

Jackalb said:
Well this totally isn't going to lead to a BNP thread >.>. /SARCASM
I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming for. I don't dislike the people personally.
 

Axolotl

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I don't see the problem with your listed examples. They're taking the lowest unskilled jobs. Where I come from polish immigrants are much loved because the drove out the scum.
 

Eekaida

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Axolotl said:
I don't see the problem with your listed examples. They're taking the lowest unskilled jobs. Where I come from polish immigrants are much loved because the drove out the scum.
I won't argue with that - their jobs they take generally tend to be unskilled (with exceptions), and I won't deny the majority of the people bitching about it are NEETS (Not in Education, Employment or Training), but surely a british company based in Britain shouldn't exclude British workers? The workers could be from any country, not just poland.
 

Nickolai77

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They are only taking the unskilled jobs, and having a supply of cheap labour is good for the economy. For these reasons and others, such as the fact that you've got more people coming into the country, earning money and spending it than you would otherwise, immigration indirectly creates more jobs. Also, those with skilled jobs don't need to worry, and even those who have been in unskilled labour for a long period of time might just find that their extensive experience gives them an edge over the cheaper Polish workers. Those at a real disadvantage are young inexperienced people who need an unskilled part time job- but those problems are only temporary.
 

LiftYourSkinnyFists

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Quite alot of brits who complain about the Polish don't put any effort into getting a job and just sit their ass on the dole and use it as an excuse, Atleast the polish arn't scum.
 

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Eekaida said:
Have the papers made a mountain out of a mole hill, or has this factory stepped over the line?
Main problem, us British are lazy and see our jobs as a right, rather than a privilege.

Solution from the business perspective? Get rid of the English. This has been going on for generations now, whether it was the shipyards in the fifties, the car industry in the seventies, the refinery case last year or the BA strikes right now.

The problem is that English workers expect to be paid more to do less work than their foreign equivalent. Leaving the employer the unenviable options of being run out of business by companies that will employ foreign labour (and lower costs as a result) or ditch the brits.
 

JanatUrlich

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Oh shut the hell up. They're hardly 'stealing jobs'. They're earning jobs of their own right. Just because your friend isn't as qualified as someone else who also happens to be a migrant is your friends fault.

Move to Poland if you're so desperate for a job since there are apparently soooo many left open over there.

Polish people get jobs because they are willing to work much harder without the pissing and moaning that we Brits are famous for. It's honestly not that hard to get a job.
 

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As an unskilled worker (seriously kids, stay in school) I have had the pleasure of working with many of our countries newest immigrants over the past few years and aside from a couple of exceptions they have all been pretty much positive.

A Polish/Latvian/Lithuanian/Russian will generally get full time jobs after a trial simply because compared to most of the English who come through, they actually want the job, and the money, and will work harder whilst there in order to get it. When English guys get brought in from the employment agency, they will turn up late, take longer breaks and generally have a "I can't be arsed" attitude. Infact I am the last English guy to get taken on full time, and that was 3 years ago.

People seem to think that on account of being born here we have a right to a job over someone else, even if they are willing to work harder at said job.

Do I agree with only hiring people who are not British though? Not at all. In my town a couple of years ago when the Polish influx was at its peak we had a Poundstore that was only taking on fluent Polish speakers and needless to say the local papers were all over it and the Policy was changed. The arguament at the time was that the majority of the workforce were already Polish so it made sense to keep everyone of the same language to help keep things running smooth.

I have yet to see an immigrant "undercut" an English person to get a job though, where I work the wages are based on time spent there, so no matter where you are from you all start off at the same rate, with those who have been working for 10 years earning significantly more than those who have just started. It seems to have subsided somewhat recently with the fall in our economy making a lot of jobless Eastern Europeans go back to their own countries with whatever they have managed to save over the past couple of years.
 

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PayJ567 said:
England is fucked. I love this country like any "true" English person should. But yes it is fucked. We spent too long following in big America's foot steps. I hate what has happend to my country and I don't hate the immagrents I hate the system we have that
A) Allows them in willy nilly
B) Gives them priority
C) Gives them everything they need
It's bullshit but it won't be sorted out unless something like a war happens. I shed a tear for you England a once proud nation and country.
True that my man.

We need to be more like Australia; You must speak English, and you must have a skill.
 

Rednog

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As a polish person living in Poland, I really don't know what to say. I'm somewhat fascinated that there apparently are "hard working" poles out there. Every one I know here doesn't work that hard...hell most office buildings close at like 3 p.m. and a lot of stores close at like 6. And good luck finding anything open for long on sat or sun.
I really don't know its not that different from what America has faced with immigrants, and it is an issue that is extremely hard to say who is in the right.
 

Kryzantine

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It's always been a problem balancing the economic viewpoints and the social viewpoints. In the case of the waitress, one viewpoint says, "She gets fired so she can be replaced by 2 Polish sluts? BASTARDS!" and the other one says, "She gets replaced by two foreign workers for the same exact price? Now that's efficiency!"

Our societies are just too damn open. It's easy to get to the country with the best life, so naturally everyone wants to go there, without realizing the only thing that makes that place have such a great life is the fact there aren't any foreigners intervening in the lives of its native denizens, doing stuff like shooting crime through the roof or stealing jobs or something.

Perhaps we really do need to raise tariffs, start setting limits on immigration, etc. There are only two ways we can counteract someone's desire to go to another country: improve their country to the point where moving would be more troublesome, or by physically preventing them from going to that country. This is leading me on another line of thought; if the major nations were to bunker down, crack down on illegal immigration (heck, maybe even a wall is needed), set quotas on how many people can enter the country; what happens to all those potential immigrants? The answer is simple, they would flock to the next best countries, places like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, maybe Russia (though TBH, I'm not sure if Russia would like immigrants). That would be very interesting.
 

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PayJ567 said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
PayJ567 said:
England is fucked. I love this country like any "true" English person should. But yes it is fucked. We spent too long following in big America's foot steps. I hate what has happend to my country and I don't hate the immagrents I hate the system we have that
A) Allows them in willy nilly
B) Gives them priority
C) Gives them everything they need
It's bullshit but it won't be sorted out unless something like a war happens. I shed a tear for you England a once proud nation and country.
True that my man.

We need to be more like Australia; You must speak English, and you must have a skill.
We need to go back to being an island nation. Fuck the EU and it's bullshit schemes. It would make us a better country, at the moment we are pretty much a joke. =( It's so sad!
Now I'm intrigued...why should we ditch the EU?
 

Arsen

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I am for the descendants of nations being given their share from their ancestors hard work. Seriously, America has to deal with this as well.