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The_Decoy

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I find it laughable to call it "stealing" our jobs when they offer to do more work for less money. Lets say I'm going shopping, and there are two identical products next to each other, but one is half price. Which am I going to buy? The fact that immigrant's are scapegoated for our sins is disgusting, and these feudalistic ideals of nationhood are just as appalling.


PayJ567 said:
...Think back to the British Empire. We were kings among men...
You seriously want to return to the times when we exploited people, devoured their cultures and used them as slaves until they rose up and threw us off? Or when we cultivated opium to sell on the Chinese black market?
 

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Oh shut the hell up. They're hardly 'stealing jobs'. They're earning jobs of their own right. Just because your friend isn't as qualified as someone else who also happens to be a migrant is your friends fault.

Move to Poland if you're so desperate for a job since there are apparently soooo many left open over there.

Polish people get jobs because they are willing to work much harder without the pissing and moaning that we Brits are famous for. It's honestly not that hard to get a job.
Did you even read the thread topic? As far as I can tell it's not about foreigners getting jobs that 'are rightfully British'. It's about non-Polish speakers being discriminated against. Which doesn't just apply to the natives but also other immigrants that don't happen to be Polish speakers.
 

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A factory has come under fire here in the UK for refusing to hire anyone who doesn't speak fluent polish - in other words, they only hire Polish people. Their justification for this? All their health and safety instructions are in polish. As you can imagine, the red papers (sun, star, news of the world etc) and pulling out their proverbial ring piece.

A little history for the not-british: since the UK government adopted and open-door policy to our borders a few years back, we've been inundated with migrant works from eastern europe, the most prodominent of which being Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with this - these people can't get jobs and want to come and work legally here. Great.

Problem? They're stealing jobs from british workers. LITERALLY. A friend of mine was a waitress in a pub, until two polish girls came in and told the landlord they could hire BOTH of them for what they were paying her - so naturally she got the boot. While this is the only case I've personally seen, I've heard tales of polish builders undercutting british ones left, right and centre. Does their work reflect the difference in price? Opinions vary, I think it depends on the builder.

Unions and workers across the country have been up in arms for years about out-sourcing and closing down factories. A particularly low blow came just last year when staff at an oil refinery went on strike about pay, and they jobs being handed over to the french. Duringthe strike, the French workers took up the factory, and the company payed them the rate that the british workers were asking for. The income of the entire area depended on the jobs at that refinery. Why bring in a whole new set of forign workers that you need to train and teaching English to (so they can read the health and safety instructions, of course), when you have a trained british staff who want a little more money?

But back on topic, this factory, which supplies ASDA, one of the biggest supermarket chains in the UK, is now refusing to hire non-polish speakers. ASDA, the papers, and even the government is getting involved. During this current econimic climate, I can well understand the fury coming from the british un-employed who are desperately seeking work. Its like being refused a job in America becuase you don't speak fluent Swahili. I'm sure thereare some people who can, but its not the dominent language. Conversly, its like being in Poland and told you can't have a job becuase you don't speak english.

I would like to know what fellow escapists think on this matter. Surely a job should be done in the language of the country its based in, or at least not to the exclusion of its natives? Have the papers made a mountain out of a mole hill, or has this factory stepped over the line?
Here in the Northeastern US, my stepniece just got in trouble for not doing something that was mentioned in the company staff meeting. Which are now held completely in Spanish as opposed to English when she started a few months ago. She doesn't speak Spanish, it's not a condition of her job, and she did let everyone know that she doesn't speak Spanish.

This places her in the unenviable position of having to fight to have the staff meeting done bilingually, or have the notes transcribed to English so she can read them afterwards. As a side note, she's not getting invited to the staff meetings anymore, so we are wondering how this will play out.
 

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pffh said:
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I don't see the problem with your listed examples. They're taking the lowest unskilled jobs. Where I come from polish immigrants are much loved because the drove out the scum.
And where I'm from polish immigrants are hated because they brought with them the scum.
Where do you live and how have they made the area worse?
Iceland and they brought organized crime with them.
I see how that would be a problem. Here in the UK where I live they drove out alot of crime and drugs.
 

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See, the capitalist business men dont care about you or their fellow country men.

They only care for their money.

And as polish people are cheaper and much more hardworking, business men are going to use this.
Perhaps a way around this would be to ensure that you cannot hire people for less than others in the same job, you hire everyone for the same wage. This would hopefully mean that job applicants are selected based on only qualifications and experience.
 

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Hot damn, I feel slightly more stupid after reading a lot of the responses.

I'm from the EU and living in the UK, not for cheap work but for Uni. Nationalism should be classified as a disease. I respect the love of one's country (though I can't sympathise personally) but the argument of people 'stealing our jobs' and other people 'invading' is ridiculous. If someone will work harder for the same money as you, then chances are they'll get it. It's a law of life and as long as there aren't sufficient guidelines or minimum wages set then this cycle will continue.
 

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PayJ567 said:
Excuse me?

We gave them their freedom when they fought for us in WW1. Yes I can honestly say YES I would be very happy if we went back to those times. Even better if we had of kept it up until today. The world would be such a better place with England back in it's seat of power.

Well this is my opinion and I can see yes it may cause argument but don't attack me personally, attack my point of view.
First and foremost, apologies if you feel under personal assault, I meant only to debate your points.

Onto the actual topic:
Why would it be a better place? Is there too much diversity in the world? Do we really need a forced despotic rule over the indigenous peoples? The Empire caused and encouraged genocide and victimisation of peoples. What if, for the empire to have remained, Britain had isolated itself from WWI and not gone to help their allies? You cannot simply state that things would be better as you cannot see the outcomes.

Off the top of my head, two refutations of the emancipation point:

We only gave Hong Kong back to the Chinese in 1997, which is a bit after WWI.

The Untied States had a war of Independence, which they won and hence became a nation.

As for those that were released, we only "gave them their freedom" because we no longer had the strength necessary to occupy them.

As a side note, notice I say "we" even though I'm Scottish. This is because it was the British Empire. And there was me thinking English jingoism was going out of fashion...
 

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England is fucked. I love this country like any "true" English person should. But yes it is fucked. We spent too long following in big America's foot steps. I hate what has happend to my country and I don't hate the immagrents I hate the system we have that
A) Allows them in willy nilly
B) Gives them priority
C) Gives them everything they need
It's bullshit but it won't be sorted out unless something like a war happens. I shed a tear for you England a once proud nation and country.
True that my man.

We need to be more like Australia; You must speak English, and you must have a skill.
We need to go back to being an island nation. Fuck the EU and it's bullshit schemes. It would make us a better country, at the moment we are pretty much a joke. =( It's so sad!
Now I'm intrigued...why should we ditch the EU?
If we weren't in the EU we could run what ever schemes we wanted in our own country. This means no asylum seekers, No giving up houses to families that immigrated to our country, We can kick anyone out we want, Our country would be Ours again.
Fuck me, I like the sound of that!
I'm no polimatition but I know all of that would be possible if we left the EU. BUT and here is the but:

It would mean an increase on trade. At an absolute worst it would be 15p extra on all imported goods. This is just a massive guess but it was trade prices that made us join the EU in the first place as our government is weak and pathetic when It comes to foriegn nations. Think back to the British Empire. We were kings among men, I would give anything for that to be restored. Well maybe not that far but if we could achieve that again as a country it would be excellent. WW1 fucked up the world forever to be honest.
I'm afraid I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to politics man. Yet, I agree with a lot of what you've said. Maybe in the future...
I know enough to talk about this situation but I am oblivious to most other things regarding politics. All I know is it should be simple. It's all gotten too corrupt and tangled. It should be sorted out through
A) A full scale war
B) A dictatorship
Then there would be an uprising and eventually it would reset to a fair and un corrupt government for about 10 years until the guy in charge wants more drugs or something.
You've uh, put a lot of thought into this haven't you bud O_O
I don't sleep too often. If I can't sleep I think. Sorting out the country has been on my mind for a while now.

I have thought about loads of things. Building the perfect fortress, Getting away with murder, What I would do if X happend to me. Sorting out the country has almost lasted as long as getting away with murder. Which I perfected 6 months ago.

Shit that makes me sound like a physco... I need near impossible challenges otherwise I don't sleep. I think myself to sleep.
I see where you're going with this...
I don't... Where am I going with this?

I enjoy thinking, Things like perfection or plans are excellent topics of thought. Seriously If I had the time, the tabbacco, the food and the other neccesitys I could just sit and think for weeks on end.
Oh, I thought you were joking and were steadily going to descend further into complete madness. Sorry, wasn't really paying attention...was having a rough patch with my girlfriend so I was just sorta skimming over the text.
 

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Here in The Netherlands, we got a lot of polish workers as well.

I work in a greenhouse in the weekends (Cutting roses, anyone with a brain and willpower can do it , really) to earn some cash. A lot of the adults who work there are Polish or other Eastern Europeans. And why not? They work from 7 to 5 in a hot greenhouse in the middle of the summer without whining, as for them it seems like they're earning pools of cash.

Now they work during the weekdays and I and other young people (think 15-18) work during the weekends. I've seen quite a few Dutch youngsters who can't be arsed (one really bad case was a guy who walked of during worktime to get a smoke break, or who didn't want to get to work after a break because 'calm down, we just had a break'). Or they leave because it's hard and sometimes unpleasant work.

Now, as our Polish people usually don't speak Dutch and barely speak English, our instructions and the like are printed in Dutch and Polish. Clear for everyone that way. And if my boss needs to give them some instructions they understand those.
 

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yes this is a huge problem. But a bigger problem is a workplace which doesn't understand each other!

I do not agree with this at all, but if parsay it put someone's health at risk and they couldn't communicate with each other the guy is fucked!

Although what i do truely believe in is that IF YOU COME TO ENGLAND SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH!!!!!! ARGHHHHH! (sorry had to get that out) :)
 

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PayJ567 said:
YouCallMeNighthawk said:
yes this is a huge problem. But a bigger problem is a workplace which doesn't understand each other!

I do not agree with this at all, but if parsay it put someone's health at risk and they couldn't communicate with each other the guy is fucked!

Although what i do truely believe in is that IF YOU COME TO ENGLAND SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH!!!!!! ARGHHHHH! (sorry had to get that out) :)
I would go allot further than that.

If you want to come to our country you speak our language. You do the jobs we say you do. You take another British test if you are a doctor or a nurse, I don't give a shit what your country said you are. You get bottom priority in our school/housing/care systems.

Homeless people get less rights than immigrents. What sort of England looks after others over looking after her own?
OMG!! you are like my identical twin with fused minds :)

a year ago i read in the newspaper that polish immegrants we're living better than the british army. shown pictures and the polish houses looked brand spanking new and modern and the british army was in what looked like to me were living in broken down sheds!!!

They don't come here to embrace england and a new life they come here to exploit the working people and that they know we can't kick them out with good reason whilst at the same time paying them to stay!!! really does make my blood boil!!

I have nothing against them if they actually want to build a new life and work for what they want and do the job they have been given but when they just come over to get free money and housing makes me want to ....... i'll stop there! lol don't want to get into trouble.
 

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PayJ567 said:
YouCallMeNighthawk said:
PayJ567 said:
YouCallMeNighthawk said:
yes this is a huge problem. But a bigger problem is a workplace which doesn't understand each other!

I do not agree with this at all, but if parsay it put someone's health at risk and they couldn't communicate with each other the guy is fucked!

Although what i do truely believe in is that IF YOU COME TO ENGLAND SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH!!!!!! ARGHHHHH! (sorry had to get that out) :)
I would go allot further than that.

If you want to come to our country you speak our language. You do the jobs we say you do. You take another British test if you are a doctor or a nurse, I don't give a shit what your country said you are. You get bottom priority in our school/housing/care systems.

Homeless people get less rights than immigrents. What sort of England looks after others over looking after her own?
OMG!! you are like my identical twin with fused minds :)

a year ago i read in the newspaper that polish immegrants we're living better than the british army. shown pictures and the polish houses looked brand spanking new and modern and the british army was in what looked like to me were living in broken down sheds!!!

They don't come here to embrace england and a new life they come here to exploit the working people and that they know we can't kick them out with good reason whilst at the same time paying them to stay!!! really does make my blood boil!!

I have nothing against them if they actually want to build a new life and work for what they want and do the job they have been given but when they just come over to get free money and housing makes me want to ....... i'll stop there! lol don't want to get into trouble.
Yeah this just always brings me back to my "Get us out of the EU" point. If we got out of the EU we could do what ever we wanted to them.

I have no problem with the people, I have a massive problem with the system that deals with them. People sneak into the country if they don't get caught they can claim asylum and fucking STAY here. Fuck that man. Kick them all out like today then we decide on who to let back in. Apart from those poles who fought in WW2 for us they can stay. They saved our asses from the Nazis.
I hear alot of people saying get us out the EU, but they don't know the consequences. Baically it will make things 10 times harder to trade which would result in a loss of money for england.

oh yeah those polish soldiers in WW2 did a hell of alot more than we ever did! And my greatest respects to those who held out for like a month in warsaw with pistols and grenades.
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
PayJ567 said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
PayJ567 said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
PayJ567 said:
England is fucked. I love this country like any "true" English person should. But yes it is fucked. We spent too long following in big America's foot steps. I hate what has happend to my country and I don't hate the immagrents I hate the system we have that
A) Allows them in willy nilly
B) Gives them priority
C) Gives them everything they need
It's bullshit but it won't be sorted out unless something like a war happens. I shed a tear for you England a once proud nation and country.
True that my man.

We need to be more like Australia; You must speak English, and you must have a skill.
We need to go back to being an island nation. Fuck the EU and it's bullshit schemes. It would make us a better country, at the moment we are pretty much a joke. =( It's so sad!
Now I'm intrigued...why should we ditch the EU?
If we weren't in the EU we could run what ever schemes we wanted in our own country. This means no asylum seekers, No giving up houses to families that immigrated to our country, We can kick anyone out we want, Our country would be Ours again.
Fuck me, I like the sound of that!
Then vote for ukip their entire plan is to get britain out of the eu.

on topic i don't have any problem with the polish as they don't seem to be as numerous in wales, i think iv'e encountered maybe one polish person who lives here.