No job if you don't speak Polish.

[ace_of_something]

Shouldn't this be in the Religion/Politics forum?

Also, this thread was so surreal to read because it mimics the debate on immigration in america in so many ways and I was never aware this was a 'problem' in the UK.
Excelt we don't blame the EU or a similar entity. We just blame whatever politican we don't like. Don't worry you'll get the hang of it.

 

[JanatUrlich]

Did you even read the thread topic? As far as I can tell it's not about foreigners getting jobs that 'are rightfully British'. It's about non-Polish speakers being discriminated against. Which doesn't just apply to the natives but also other immigrants that don't happen to be Polish speakers.

No, it's about deciding whether this discrimination is justified or not and I have clearly stated that it's not.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

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England is fucked. I love this country like any "true" English person should. But yes it is fucked. We spent too long following in big America's foot steps. I hate what has happend to my country and I don't hate the immagrents I hate the system we have that
A) Allows them in willy nilly
B) Gives them priority
C) Gives them everything they need
It's bullshit but it won't be sorted out unless something like a war happens. I shed a tear for you England a once proud nation and country.

True that my man.

We need to be more like Australia; You must speak English, and you must have a skill.

We need to go back to being an island nation. Fuck the EU and it's bullshit schemes. It would make us a better country, at the moment we are pretty much a joke. =( It's so sad!

Now I'm intrigued...why should we ditch the EU?

If we weren't in the EU we could run what ever schemes we wanted in our own country. This means no asylum seekers, No giving up houses to families that immigrated to our country, We can kick anyone out we want, Our country would be Ours again.

Fuck me, I like the sound of that!

I'm no polimatition but I know all of that would be possible if we left the EU. BUT and here is the but:

It would mean an increase on trade. At an absolute worst it would be 15p extra on all imported goods. This is just a massive guess but it was trade prices that made us join the EU in the first place as our government is weak and pathetic when It comes to foriegn nations. Think back to the British Empire. We were kings among men, I would give anything for that to be restored. Well maybe not that far but if we could achieve that again as a country it would be excellent. WW1 fucked up the world forever to be honest.

I'm afraid I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to politics man. Yet, I agree with a lot of what you've said. Maybe in the future...

I know enough to talk about this situation but I am oblivious to most other things regarding politics. All I know is it should be simple. It's all gotten too corrupt and tangled. It should be sorted out through
A) A full scale war
B) A dictatorship
Then there would be an uprising and eventually it would reset to a fair and un corrupt government for about 10 years until the guy in charge wants more drugs or something.

You've uh, put a lot of thought into this haven't you bud O_O

I don't sleep too often. If I can't sleep I think. Sorting out the country has been on my mind for a while now.

I have thought about loads of things. Building the perfect fortress, Getting away with murder, What I would do if X happend to me. Sorting out the country has almost lasted as long as getting away with murder. Which I perfected 6 months ago.

Shit that makes me sound like a physco... I need near impossible challenges otherwise I don't sleep. I think myself to sleep.

I see where you're going with this...

I don't... Where am I going with this?

I enjoy thinking, Things like perfection or plans are excellent topics of thought. Seriously If I had the time, the tabbacco, the food and the other neccesitys I could just sit and think for weeks on end.

Oh, I thought you were joking and were steadily going to descend further into complete madness. Sorry, wasn't really paying attention...was having a rough patch with my girlfriend so I was just sorta skimming over the text.

Hey it's no problem. I hope it's all sorted now though. (The rough patch)

Thanks very much, it is.

 

[BGH122]

They are only taking the unskilled jobs, and having a supply of cheap labour is good for the economy. For these reasons and others, such as the fact that you've got more people coming into the country, earning money and spending it than you would otherwise, immigration indirectly creates more jobs.

This is correct, in theory. Unfortunately, this isn't actually the case. The pivotal part of the above argument is the presumption that the immigrants will spend their UK-earned money in the UK, but this is not the case, rather, they send their newly earned money back to Poland where it is worth far more in real monetary value. They spend minute amounts their cash here, the bare minimum needed to survive. So in reality they take money from our economy and siphon it off to their native country's economy.

As if that's not bitter enough, thanks to the Lord of Fuckwittery, Tony Blair, we opted into all the negatives of the EU (pseudo-federalism, uncontrolled immigration etc) but forsook the opportunity to buy into the Euro, so as the immigrants siphon our economy back to their own they raise the value of the Euro against the Pound, thus further dropping the real monetary value of the pound as the exchange rates with our chief trading partner becomes less favourable for imports and more favourable for exports. Expect to see Britain fall into a primary sector role as export becomes our only option due to crippled exchange rates.

Thanks Labour Party!

 

[Milney]

If we weren't in the EU we could run what ever schemes we wanted in our own country. This means no asylum seekers, No giving up houses to families that immigrated to our country, We can kick anyone out we want, Our country would be Ours again.

Clearly someone who doesn't understand Global Politics, or Economics for that matter.

 

[Milney]

Off the top of my head, two refutations of the emancipation point:

We only gave Hong Kong back to the Chinese in 1997, which is a bit after WWI.

The Untied States had a war of Independence, which they won and hence became a nation.

As for those that were released, we only "gave them their freedom" because we no longer had the strength necessary to occupy them.

As a side note, notice I say "we" even though I'm Scottish. This is because it was the British Empire. And there was me thinking English jingoism was going out of fashion...

Gah! Go learn your history for crying out loud.

Not that I'm supporting the notion of re-instating the Empire but for the sake of accuracy;

Hong Kong was bought (or should I say loaned) from the Chinese for 100 years - legitimate and legal. It was returned on-time as per the accord. Seriously, get over yourself.

For the record, the British Honk Kong Police force was one of the best trained and respected units in the world, and the people of Hong Kong didn't want to go back to being Chinese. But we honoured our (hundred year old) agreement.

Also "we" are still part of the United Kingdom - the "Empire" has nothing to do with why Scotland is part of Britain.

Goddamn SNP nutters, learn some bloody history. Seriously.

But yes, I wish people would stop saying "English", "Scottish", "Welsh" and so on. We're "British People".

 

[titanium turtle]

to be perfectly fair they should have to understand english- you cant expect every english person in england to speak the language of evey ethnic minority in the country- you cant have high immigration and mass unemployment- the reason the BNP are getting votes is because the other parties pussyfoot around the subject becauase they don't want to be seen as "racist"

 

[Booze Zombie]

I would say they were "doing jobs" not "stealing" them.
How do you steal a job, anyway?

You either have one or you don't.

 

[Eekaida]

Oh shut the hell up. They're hardly 'stealing jobs'. They're earning jobs of their own right. Just because your friend isn't as qualified as someone else who also happens to be a migrant is your friends fault.

Move to Poland if you're so desperate for a job since there are apparently soooo many left open over there.

Polish people get jobs because they are willing to work much harder without the pissing and moaning that we Brits are famous for. It's honestly not that hard to get a job.

Did you even read the thread topic? As far as I can tell it's not about foreigners getting jobs that 'are rightfully British'. It's about non-Polish speakers being discriminated against. Which doesn't just apply to the natives but also other immigrants that don't happen to be Polish speakers.

THANK YOU! You're about the only person who got what I was getting at. I'm not anti-immigration or anti-polish or whatever - I recognise that immigration is essential and that the majority of immigrants are doing a god job.

As for jobs - I have a job. I've had a job since I was 14. I worked at a fruitpicking farm, waitressed in a pub, and have worked at the local supermarket for the better part of 5 years. I'm also a full time student. My friend who lost her job was also a student, and exactly what qualifications does one need to waitress as a pub?
As for 'earning a job', those who 'earn' jobs have qulifications, learn a trade or haunt the jobcentre until a vacency opens. Going to an employer and saying 'if you fire that person, I'll take their job for less money', IS stealing a job! They aren't filling a vaccancy - the job was already taken!

And if I go to another country, I would learn their language, not expect them to accomidate me. Things like this are an insult to hard working immigrants who took the time to learn the language.

 

[Eekaida]

I would say they were "doing jobs" not "stealing" them.
How do you steal a job, anyway?

You either have one or you don't.

I think it's how you get the job. 'Doing jobs' is filling jobs that were empty. 'Stealing jobs' is taking one which has already been filled, meaning that a person who was once employed now has no job.

 

[WestMountain]

DERKA DERB!

 

[Booze Zombie]

I think it's how you get the job. 'Doing jobs' is filling jobs that were empty. 'Stealing jobs' is taking one which has already been filled, meaning that a person who was once employed now has no job.

Then the problem is the system, not the immigrants.

Besides, I thought Britain had a legal min wage to stop the American-style "Pedro the starved janitor who also lives in his closet" type of thing from happening, so this is actually pretty minor?

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

Oh shut the hell up. They're hardly 'stealing jobs'. They're earning jobs of their own right. Just because your friend isn't as qualified as someone else who also happens to be a migrant is your friends fault.

Move to Poland if you're so desperate for a job since there are apparently soooo many left open over there.

Polish people get jobs because they are willing to work much harder without the pissing and moaning that we Brits are famous for. It's honestly not that hard to get a job.

He didn't say they were stealing jobs, though I agree with your opinion on that particular matter. Also, I'd hardly call speaking a language a qualification, I'd consider it more of a skill.

On topic though, I couldn't care less. The only saddening thing about Britain is that our culture is being obscured because of our vast diversity, which wouldn't be a problem if only the minority of other races were allowed into the country. However, as a teenager in Britain, I'm adapting, not that I was ever really offended anyway.

 

[Eekaida]

I think it's how you get the job. 'Doing jobs' is filling jobs that were empty. 'Stealing jobs' is taking one which has already been filled, meaning that a person who was once employed now has no job.

Then the problem is the system, not the immigrants.

Besides, I thought Britain had a legal min wage to stop the American-style "Pedro the starved janitor who also lives in his closet" type of thing from happening, so this is actually pretty minor?

Agreed - anyone who steals jobs is scum, regardless of any other factors.

There are exceptions to this. For example, it doesn't apply to people under the age of 16, or those who work cash-in-hand. Waiting staff, for example (as far as I know, feel free to correct if you know otherwise) aren't protected by minimum wage, as the government expect's they're going to make up the rest of their income in tips - and then tax them for it whether they get tips or not.

 

[Hattman]

I understand the girl working at a bar problem and try to see it from the bar owner's perspective.
One girl works so and so many hours and gets X pounds.
These Polish girls works for the same wage but one can work while the other sleeps.
This is unfortunatly how you get money.
As someone (I think it was on the first side) said,they want the work more and don't moan and complain about it,so why bother employing someone how complain?

 

[Cherry Cola]

WW1 fucked up the world forever to be honest.

What the hell are you talking about? If it weren't for World War 1, there would be no Black Adder goes Forth, one of the funniest shows ever!

Hurray for Black Adder!

 

[Danik93]

See, the capitalist business men dont care about you or their fellow country men.

They only care for their money.

And as polish people are cheaper and much more hardworking, business men are going to use this.

If you have 1 lazy guy and 1 hardworking guy singing up for the same job you pick the hardworking guy... simple logic.