I'm down with the Moonraker, but Die Another Day was nothing more than a recycled, Frankenstein mish-mash over other, better Bond films. The laser satellite from Diamonds Are Forever, snowboarding against an avalanche (like 4 other bonds movies), two Bond girls fighting one another (Thunderball), etc. Not too mention that they were sooo desperate to have Bond fight the cold war, they actually dredged the threat out of the last remaining, overtly hostile communist regime on earth (North Korea) as an overarching villain nation, which was pretty much just used as a stand-in for the USSR (with more Koreans of course). Old tricks, recycled (borderline cold war era) themes, uninteresting characters and plot developments. A thoroughly mediocre (at best) Bond film.BrotherRool said:
No Right Answer: Best Bond Movie Ever
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Sorry boys, but the correct answer is "You Only Live Twice". It has the gadgetry, a huge climactic battle scene, and "Bond enjoying being Bond" (sadly missing recently) of the Roger Moore era...but with Sean Connery.
I was trolling I'm afraid ;P. I think Moonraker is normally most despised, although Die Another Day might be beating it out now that people think of it as the film that nearly killed off the franchise.bz316 said:
If I were to name my worst though, I really wasn't a fan of Casino Royale (and presumably Quantum of Solace). I'm happy we live in Skyfall days. I think that would probably win my vote for best Bond film
Goldeneye has been my favorite since I first saw it--Bond reboot, nice mix of serious and goofy, the right movie at the right time for the franchise.
Although, for sheer cheese, it's hard to beat the opening of The Spy Who Loved Me: But James, I need you! / So does England. (and he's in a tacky yellow ski suit)
Although, for sheer cheese, it's hard to beat the opening of The Spy Who Loved Me: But James, I need you! / So does England. (and he's in a tacky yellow ski suit)
I might actually have to go with Skyfall as the best, though I understand why it wasn't in the video. Surprised the tank chase wasn't brought up though. Watching it back recently I decided the one thing that made GoldenEye not definitively the best bond film was the one-liners, although being classic Bond, were really really really seriously overdone. It's like half the dialogue was quips.
Anyway, I hated Casino Royale and disliked QOS (I would hate it more it's just it's so boring I can barely remember it) and I unfairly placed this on Daniel Craig. I now know he can be a good Bond, and has been a good Bond, it's just nice that the writers and everyone else got their shit together for Skyfall.
Anyway, I hated Casino Royale and disliked QOS (I would hate it more it's just it's so boring I can barely remember it) and I unfairly placed this on Daniel Craig. I now know he can be a good Bond, and has been a good Bond, it's just nice that the writers and everyone else got their shit together for Skyfall.
What? No love for "The Man with the Golden Gun"? FORSHAME!
Jokes aside. Despite being boring, insufferable side characters, and practically pointless.. The reason why I still hold The Man with the Golden Gun #3 on my best Bond films is just Scaramanga himself. I can't think of any other villain that was just wanting to kill Bond just for the thrill. He has ample opportunities to kill Bond throughout the film but doesn't because he wants to do it in a fair 1v1 duel. Bond's PPK vs. his Golden Gun. Which is likely one of the most (if not the most) iconic James Bond weapons of all movies.
Jokes aside. Despite being boring, insufferable side characters, and practically pointless.. The reason why I still hold The Man with the Golden Gun #3 on my best Bond films is just Scaramanga himself. I can't think of any other villain that was just wanting to kill Bond just for the thrill. He has ample opportunities to kill Bond throughout the film but doesn't because he wants to do it in a fair 1v1 duel. Bond's PPK vs. his Golden Gun. Which is likely one of the most (if not the most) iconic James Bond weapons of all movies.
Uh... I didn't think that was really stupid.Punch You said:
He was basically Deadshot from Batman, he never misses.
Cool to me.
Seconded. The rawest, tightest, most viscerally thrilling Bond film ever made. It had subtlety, pacing, great characters, and perhaps more importantly, was made when Bond was just a mere character, rather than an institution. Bind's identity was what Sean Connery decided it would be, not something from 20-odd films previously.Logan Hartke said:
Trivia: If not for Remmington Steele, Timothy Dalton would probably have never been Bond. The producers wanted Brosnan to replace Moore, but he couldn't get time off from his Remmington Steele contract to make a movie.GamemasterAnthony said:
Speaking of Moore, just because of my age and them being the first Bond movies I really watched, I have a fondness for the early Roger Moore Bonds. Particularly Live And Let Die and Spy Who loved Me (I even like Man With The Golden Gun more than most -- hard to beat Christopher Lee as a villain). Moonraker just started the trend of Moore Bonds being too silly, so I don't care for any after that until Goldeneye.
Eh... I've never like Pierce Brosnan as Bond. Goldeneye is one of my favourites but that was because of the other characters, not Bond. In my mind, that makes the movie lose a lot of marks.
Also, I'm inclined to give Skyfall my vote as best Bond film with Goldfinger right behind it.
Also, I'm inclined to give Skyfall my vote as best Bond film with Goldfinger right behind it.
The name is in reference to the house where Fleming wrote the books.MonkeyPunch said:
OT: Casino Royale or Skyfall, for me. In fact I can't believe Goldeneye of all things was chosen over Royale, especially considering its reboot of the franchise has been far more successful.
My take on Skyfall, it's a bit long...
(spoilers ahead)
I too agree that Goldeneye is a great film.
(spoilers ahead)
For me this movie absolutely sucked, which is sad considering I often go by Rottentomato's rating (and 99% of them have been spot on) and it was rated so highly there.
- The plot was all over the place, often incredibly dragged-out for the first half. I almost fell asleep. This movie could've easily been less than 1.5 hours, instead dragging for nearly 2.5 hours. Bond is chasing a random no-name villain, gets shot by his partner, vanishes. The very next time we see him he's alive and healthy, fucking some no-name woman, having her like a doll propped up against his side, then she's never seen again. I guess women in that part of the world must be quite desperate to shag random men who are found washed ashore on riverbanks with bits of uranium and bullets in them *shrug*.
Then the disaster at HQ happens, bond comes back, Q gives two gadgets that would've made a 1980's James Bond /facepalm in embarrassment. If I was 007 and the new Q told me "sorry we don't do exploding pens anymore" I would've said "STFU and sit behind your laptop kiddo, I'm a field agent and need my exploding pens. And where is my utility belt? And where the fuck is my utility watch with lasers?? What if I get stuck beneath a frozen sheet of ice later on? And where is my trademark bond CAR with missiles/machine guns? Or did your sorry ass not think any of this through and I'll have to revert to old technology later in the movie, in which you play no part?"
(And at the end of the movie I would've come back and fired him).
Then he goes off after that assassin, who by the way hasn't even spoken a word considering how long Bond has been chasing him. After that ETERNALLY long scene where 007 chases him up the flash glass building in Shanghai (it is NOT "thoughtful pacing", it's dragging out the movie). After what felt like 15 mins of waiting/watching he lets the guy take the shot (I start thinking Bond is planning something AMAZINGLY clever) at which point he just jumps onto the guy and starts brawling with his fists. Finally he's got the guy dangling from a ledge screaming "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?". That was his plan?? Oh god, I facepalmed so hard. Nice detective work Mr Bond, you don't even know the guy can speak english or not!
Then bond meets that lady in china, not long later 007 screws her in the shower and then not long after she's tied to a statue and shot. Who was she? Just some slave, nobody knows, nobody cares because trying to make us feel sympathy for a character who's most important role has been screwing Bond is retarded.
- Daniel Craig can't act, he doesn't have the charm and sophistication of a bond. He's a brawler, someone who should be in a generic action movie. Not a bond movie. Also I know this is just opinion, but he's not good looking. Alright I'm a guy and I can't really accurately judge what looks "good", I guess we'll leave that for women to decide...but personally I don't think he looks anywhere as handsome and charming as previous bonds. He's tried to lose some muscle mass since Casino Royale but the guy is still built like a tank, which doesn't suit bond.
- The villain was gay. Before anyone burns me alive with "omg you discriminating fuck" comments, hear me out. I wouldn't have given a shit that he was gay, except that he was portrayed as an INCREDIBLY stereotypical gay guy who walks and sits like a spoiled princess, speaks like a woman and does lots of flicks and twirls with his fingers/hair and....eeeeh. Actually none of this bothered me, until he started feeling up 007's chest + legs (WTF) and continued with gay analogies for another 20 mins (woooo "I'll be on top", fucking A-class joke right there) which made the whole cinema laugh.
Who's discriminating here exactly? The villain comes across as comically funny because of the whole awkwardness of him being gay and making sly gay analogies/references. The directors have basically generalized that all gay guys walk & talk like women and eye every other guy like they want to ass-fuck them the same day. And then he said he's an ex-MI6 agent. LOL. Not only did I lose all respect for him, I lost respect for MI6 because at some point they hired a stereotypically gay drag-queen who apparently must've done espionage/spy missions by day and bum-fucked other men by night. I guess women may find that concept quite arousing, I dunno *shrug*.
But enough of the gay thing, one thing struck me as odd - for someone who is a legendary computer hacker, the villain is barely shown interfacing with computers at all. He's actually not shown doing ANYTHING, either locked-up or sending henchmen to do his job...all the while the new Q is screaming "OMFG HE HACKED US GUSY OMG HAX" at the top of his lungs. Plugging your laptop into a network hackable by the villain - genius, Q.
The villain also had no character and an incredibly pathetic death. "Cmon, lets both go together" he says and after 007 throws a big-ass knife into his back the guy turns around with a puzzled look on his face, even slightly annoyed as he was implying "dude what the hell? You impaled me with a knife, this stings a bit you know?" before collapsing. Alright I know he had no internal organs due to the cyanide, but it was still a pretty terrible death. I guess after he saw 007 and his henchman fall through he ice he laughed probably thinking "yay that should sort itself out, no way 007 will survive icy water". Stupid, stupid, stupid.
- The helicopter explosion. I know in movies explosions seemingly come out of nowhere, but I would probably have to give the crown jewel of "pulled an explosion out of it's ass" to when the helicopter crashed into one CORNER of the house (it was a big house) and about ~25 tons of TNT blew the entire house sky high.
The movie is just riddled with one-liners and cliches, random sex scenes, flimsy characters, flimsy plot...not enjoyable.
IIn conclusion, I'll keep it short:
TL;DR VERSION - MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 4 WAS A BETTER JAMES BOND MOVIE THAN SKYFALL.
Think about it. Ethan Hunt was basically Bond, equipped with the latest gadgets, awesome sidekicks/support characters, a fast-paced plot, a great villain. The only thing it's missing is the random Bond sexual encounters lol.
- The plot was all over the place, often incredibly dragged-out for the first half. I almost fell asleep. This movie could've easily been less than 1.5 hours, instead dragging for nearly 2.5 hours. Bond is chasing a random no-name villain, gets shot by his partner, vanishes. The very next time we see him he's alive and healthy, fucking some no-name woman, having her like a doll propped up against his side, then she's never seen again. I guess women in that part of the world must be quite desperate to shag random men who are found washed ashore on riverbanks with bits of uranium and bullets in them *shrug*.
Then the disaster at HQ happens, bond comes back, Q gives two gadgets that would've made a 1980's James Bond /facepalm in embarrassment. If I was 007 and the new Q told me "sorry we don't do exploding pens anymore" I would've said "STFU and sit behind your laptop kiddo, I'm a field agent and need my exploding pens. And where is my utility belt? And where the fuck is my utility watch with lasers?? What if I get stuck beneath a frozen sheet of ice later on? And where is my trademark bond CAR with missiles/machine guns? Or did your sorry ass not think any of this through and I'll have to revert to old technology later in the movie, in which you play no part?"
(And at the end of the movie I would've come back and fired him).
Then he goes off after that assassin, who by the way hasn't even spoken a word considering how long Bond has been chasing him. After that ETERNALLY long scene where 007 chases him up the flash glass building in Shanghai (it is NOT "thoughtful pacing", it's dragging out the movie). After what felt like 15 mins of waiting/watching he lets the guy take the shot (I start thinking Bond is planning something AMAZINGLY clever) at which point he just jumps onto the guy and starts brawling with his fists. Finally he's got the guy dangling from a ledge screaming "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?". That was his plan?? Oh god, I facepalmed so hard. Nice detective work Mr Bond, you don't even know the guy can speak english or not!
Then bond meets that lady in china, not long later 007 screws her in the shower and then not long after she's tied to a statue and shot. Who was she? Just some slave, nobody knows, nobody cares because trying to make us feel sympathy for a character who's most important role has been screwing Bond is retarded.
- Daniel Craig can't act, he doesn't have the charm and sophistication of a bond. He's a brawler, someone who should be in a generic action movie. Not a bond movie. Also I know this is just opinion, but he's not good looking. Alright I'm a guy and I can't really accurately judge what looks "good", I guess we'll leave that for women to decide...but personally I don't think he looks anywhere as handsome and charming as previous bonds. He's tried to lose some muscle mass since Casino Royale but the guy is still built like a tank, which doesn't suit bond.
- The villain was gay. Before anyone burns me alive with "omg you discriminating fuck" comments, hear me out. I wouldn't have given a shit that he was gay, except that he was portrayed as an INCREDIBLY stereotypical gay guy who walks and sits like a spoiled princess, speaks like a woman and does lots of flicks and twirls with his fingers/hair and....eeeeh. Actually none of this bothered me, until he started feeling up 007's chest + legs (WTF) and continued with gay analogies for another 20 mins (woooo "I'll be on top", fucking A-class joke right there) which made the whole cinema laugh.
Who's discriminating here exactly? The villain comes across as comically funny because of the whole awkwardness of him being gay and making sly gay analogies/references. The directors have basically generalized that all gay guys walk & talk like women and eye every other guy like they want to ass-fuck them the same day. And then he said he's an ex-MI6 agent. LOL. Not only did I lose all respect for him, I lost respect for MI6 because at some point they hired a stereotypically gay drag-queen who apparently must've done espionage/spy missions by day and bum-fucked other men by night. I guess women may find that concept quite arousing, I dunno *shrug*.
But enough of the gay thing, one thing struck me as odd - for someone who is a legendary computer hacker, the villain is barely shown interfacing with computers at all. He's actually not shown doing ANYTHING, either locked-up or sending henchmen to do his job...all the while the new Q is screaming "OMFG HE HACKED US GUSY OMG HAX" at the top of his lungs. Plugging your laptop into a network hackable by the villain - genius, Q.
The villain also had no character and an incredibly pathetic death. "Cmon, lets both go together" he says and after 007 throws a big-ass knife into his back the guy turns around with a puzzled look on his face, even slightly annoyed as he was implying "dude what the hell? You impaled me with a knife, this stings a bit you know?" before collapsing. Alright I know he had no internal organs due to the cyanide, but it was still a pretty terrible death. I guess after he saw 007 and his henchman fall through he ice he laughed probably thinking "yay that should sort itself out, no way 007 will survive icy water". Stupid, stupid, stupid.
- The helicopter explosion. I know in movies explosions seemingly come out of nowhere, but I would probably have to give the crown jewel of "pulled an explosion out of it's ass" to when the helicopter crashed into one CORNER of the house (it was a big house) and about ~25 tons of TNT blew the entire house sky high.
The movie is just riddled with one-liners and cliches, random sex scenes, flimsy characters, flimsy plot...not enjoyable.
IIn conclusion, I'll keep it short:
TL;DR VERSION - MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 4 WAS A BETTER JAMES BOND MOVIE THAN SKYFALL.
Think about it. Ethan Hunt was basically Bond, equipped with the latest gadgets, awesome sidekicks/support characters, a fast-paced plot, a great villain. The only thing it's missing is the random Bond sexual encounters lol.
I too agree that Goldeneye is a great film.
Coincidentally just watched Goldfinger last night!
{spoiler alert}
Here's a quick list of Bond's accomplishments:
Wears a stupid bird on his head for no reason.
Uses a girl as a shield from blunt force trauma while making out with her. Electrocutes assailant.
Steals a different girl from Goldfinger, skronks, gets her killed for it.
Interrupts said girl's sister from getting revenge, sets off alarm, gets her killed for it.
Crashes car into a brick wall.
Gets kidnapped.
Writes note to CIA which ends up in a garbage compactor.
Gets kidnapped some more.
Gets his ass kicked by Pussy Galore, then forces himself on her (oh, she gives in at the end, cuz that's what women do).
Electrocutes Oddjob (with wires exposed by Oddjob's hat-throw).
Is unable to diffuse the bomb at the end; some random steps in at the last second (007 seconds) to save his ass.
Shoots out an airplane window, which conveniently kills the villain, but was clearly unintentional.
Now, I know Bond films are not meant to be taken seriously, but he literally does nothing right in this movie.
Archer, the parody, is a more competent spy. So was Austin Powers.
I think the villain, the naked girl painted gold, and the car are what makes this Bond so popular; its really one of the worst ones I've seen. From Russia With Love or The Living Daylights would have made good candidates, but then you wouldn't have had that fun "gold" word-play, I guess.
{spoiler alert}
Here's a quick list of Bond's accomplishments:
Wears a stupid bird on his head for no reason.
Uses a girl as a shield from blunt force trauma while making out with her. Electrocutes assailant.
Steals a different girl from Goldfinger, skronks, gets her killed for it.
Interrupts said girl's sister from getting revenge, sets off alarm, gets her killed for it.
Crashes car into a brick wall.
Gets kidnapped.
Writes note to CIA which ends up in a garbage compactor.
Gets kidnapped some more.
Gets his ass kicked by Pussy Galore, then forces himself on her (oh, she gives in at the end, cuz that's what women do).
Electrocutes Oddjob (with wires exposed by Oddjob's hat-throw).
Is unable to diffuse the bomb at the end; some random steps in at the last second (007 seconds) to save his ass.
Shoots out an airplane window, which conveniently kills the villain, but was clearly unintentional.
Now, I know Bond films are not meant to be taken seriously, but he literally does nothing right in this movie.
Archer, the parody, is a more competent spy. So was Austin Powers.
I think the villain, the naked girl painted gold, and the car are what makes this Bond so popular; its really one of the worst ones I've seen. From Russia With Love or The Living Daylights would have made good candidates, but then you wouldn't have had that fun "gold" word-play, I guess.