How did he react after? It just came to mind I see people bring him up as some kind of point, but now I wonder if his opinion even coincides with theirs or if he's just convenient ammunition.altnameJag said:
Nobel laureate forced out of studies after making joke about women
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He donated most of the 25 K gifted to him as an apology on behalf of the people tormenting him, and spent the rest on a plaque for the mission.Secondhand Revenant said:
I imagine by now he has more or less moved on, but considering this was the event that ruined the most anticipated and successful moment of his life I doubt he will ever forget it. He was so confident in the project he had the landing tattooed on his leg before the touchdown time.
Then it sounds like he is likely being used as an example for a point he doesn't support. Very 'SJWish' if so, no?EvilRoy said:
That sounds very speculative. Personally I wouldn't assume to know his emotional state based off so little. A crying apology seems rough at the time but to assume it's staying with him as if it is some massively traumatic event based on that alone...EvilRoy said:
Any answer anyone could possibly give you would be speculative in nature, without M. Taylor specifically providing a psych report.Secondhand Revenant said:
My speculation is based on his emotional mood leading up to the landing and following attacks, in combination with my knowledge of his decision to commit this event to flesh via ink. I read him as being extremely excited and confident in the coming work, and euphoric during the successful announcement - and extremely upset following. Going from a peak to a valley in that short of a period would likely result in strong, lasting memories.
Then why did you phrase it as "Can you please show how that's what I've done" ? Accusatory no?Dynast Brass said:
And I said it cause it already has happened.
Mr. Taylor's shirt getting declared harmful and preventative of women entering tech.
Chuck Palahniuk getting accused of being a misogynist for suggesting that there aren't many books in literary classes that discuss men's issues.
Jerry Seinfeld being called racist for saying that people are too politically correct.
The many videogame controversies that have been brought up in these past two years because of someone getting upset at a joke or getting offended at lack of representation. The "transphobic" joke in Pillars of Eternity springs to mind.
Yeah, women are far more likely to cry in response to criticism. It's a natural defense mechanism that totally works and it isn't even "manipulative" or "bad" because it is entirely automatic (for the most part).
It's a funny statement. Ask any professor about who cries to get better grades and you won't blink twice at this guy's comment. This is primarily an issue in academia. Seems like people grow out of this.
It's a funny statement. Ask any professor about who cries to get better grades and you won't blink twice at this guy's comment. This is primarily an issue in academia. Seems like people grow out of this.
If you know of professors that are inflating their students grades because they cry, I hope you have well documented evidence that you are planning on handing to their superiors for disciplinary action. That sounds corrupt as fuck, and they should not remain in the profession if that is the case. It also sounds a bit sinister if they are pointing it towards one gender, as if the professor is hoping to get some sort of favourable perception from said students. That is definitely something their faculty should be investigating post haste.Lightknight said:
What? It's an incredibly well documented and heavily studied sex-based behavior differentiator.Dynast Brass said:
Here's the first summary of the disparity I found.
http://www.sacredheartspectrum.com/news/view.php/663981/The-Crying-Game-Why-Women-Cry-More-Than-
While boys and girls cry about the same time up until the age of 12, by 18 women cry an average of four times more than men. So, about 5.3 cries per month for women compared to 1.4 cries per month for men.
Women also cry for much longer (twice as long) than men do in any given crying session. (Women cry around 6 minutes on average, men are between 2 and 3 minutes)
The cause for this isn't certain but it is known to be true.
A couple theories are (could be a combination of some or all):
1. Social conditioning (guys are told not to be a sissy, girls are taught to share their emotions). The problem with this theory is that women still cry more than men in all other societies, including ones where all groups are discouraged from showing emotion. So this can't be THE cause, but can contribute to the degree of disparity.
2. Prolactin, a hormone that is equally present in boys and girls before 12 but far more present in women (60% more than in men)that is known to be for inducing lactation but is also found in the tear ducts.
3. Men and Women's tear ducts are different. When men cry, 73% of the time the tears do not run down the cheek and instead stay in the eyes. Nearly every instance of females crying leads to tears running down the cheek.
4. Women feel the urge to cry in response to stress far more than men which is specific to work and school .
5. Testosterone may inhibit crying.
6. Other non-prolactin hormonal imbalances common to women but not men that are known to induce emotional imbalance(for example, women cry far more just before and during their period).
If you want something more official, here's the American Psychological Association
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/02/cry.aspx
Here's a fun quote for you to mull over from that article: "Several factors play a role in an individual's propensity to cry. Gender differences in crying, for example, have been explored for decades and across the world, and all of the studies reached the same conclusion: Women cry more than men." (Emphasis is mine)
So this point is absolutely fact. The question is why women evolved to cry more than males. It should be assumed that it provides some sort of biological advantage like most traits and I believe it to be a socially advantageous one. It isn't a manipulative one, since it is involuntary, but it is something that triggers an emotional response from the person causing the tears. Perhaps a professor that has the power to help them with a bad grade, perhaps a captor who would otherwise have killed the individual, perhaps a boss who is giving them a hard time.
It's fantastic to see people jumping down others throats when they think they're getting a whiff of sexism, but when it's fact, it's fact and no amount of attacking me or my words is going to detract from that truth. Sorry that this scientist made a factually accurate joke and people decided to burn him at the stake for it in ignorance.
The three instances I personally witnessed were more the professor making exceptions for the individual by giving them an opportunity to make up some work rather than simple grade inflation. One of three the professor made an exception for the crying girl (after having told me no, but I wasn't crying) but gave the exception to the entire class to benefit from which I thought is the way to do it if you're going to do it ethically. But that professor's problem was that his test questions mirrored the book's test questions but gave wrong/different answers. Why he told me no to begin with when I clearly showed those problems in the books having a different answer is beyond me. But I guess that's what to expect when a chemist tries to teach chemistry in a language he barely knows.Superbeast said:
Right, it'd be something that's nearly impossible to prove except anecdotally. Have I seen women benefit from crying in school and work? Absolutely. Does that make it a universal truth? Absolutely not. But I have heard an awful lot of comparable claims to dismiss it, especially combined with the medical fact that most women cry easily at stress.Dynast Brass said:
What? Those were articles citing and describing numerous studies and their findings.Dynast Brass said:
Do you really think the American Psychological Association thinks like me? Thanks, because they're usually right and are a definitive source on this kind of topic. Here's some of the cited studies from the APA article that you clearly couldn't be bothered to read:
Lauren Bylsma, PhD, of the University of Pittsburgh (Journal of Research in Personality, 2011 (they also referenced the 1980 study by biochemist William H. Frey, PhD that mirrored the same results). These studies found that women cry four times as much as men.
http://ccr.sagepub.com/content/45/4/399.short (in which women cry more than men across all cultures and societies)
http://www.epjournal.net/articles/emotional-tears-facilitate-the-recognition-of-sadness-and-the-perceived-need-for-social-support/ (In which a clear biological advantage is established for people who display tears than people who don't)
All of the points I made were entirely sourced and cited. You've got no leg to stand on here.
The studies I presented show that women cry under stress. One of the articles discussed how this is an issue in the workplace and linked to organizations and resources that help women learn how not to cry at work.
I'm not sure what more you want. If official peer-reviewed studies and pro-women articles written by women aimed at assisting women with this issue isn't enough then maybe it's time for you to put up your own articles proving your counterpoint that women don't cry at work or under stress in far higher numbers than men. Good luck.