dude everyone starts out a noob, and alot of ppl are starting to get in on the mmo's cut them some slack man. you sucked ass when you started to.
Noobs on MMOs
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We were all noobs once - and Sometimes it stays that way until around level 50. it did for me.
At that point I realised as a balance druid, I didnt really need the Warrior plate helm that much, and questing is a quicker way of leveling than, say, Sitting in a tavern getting your guy drunk.
At that point I realised as a balance druid, I didnt really need the Warrior plate helm that much, and questing is a quicker way of leveling than, say, Sitting in a tavern getting your guy drunk.
Yes. Jinxykatte, In the game, when your rolling, there is A need roll, and a greed roll. Greed is if you cant use the item or dont want it, but wouldnt mind having it for selling, but need is if you really need the item to improve your character, which is what you sell things for anyway - when you sell something you almost always use the money on armor and weapons.hannarr said:
The need roll always overpowers the greed roll. However, when someone need rolls when they cant use the item or dont need it, its called 'Ninjaing'.
When ninjas win a need roll, people get pissed. Gear is always more important than cash in WoW, as the game is...all about getting gear, if you think about it. You spend your time doing dungeons to get gear, so you can do better dungeons for better gear and raise your level so you can do even better dungeons for more gear, eventually reaching the highest level whereupon you do Heroic dungeons to get better gear so you will be allowed to do 10 man raids to get even better gear so you can do 25 man raids to get better gear so you can do the 40 man raids to get the almost best gear and then do the Battlegrounds to get honour so you can get awesome gear.
And in the end, thats the whole objective of World of Warcraft.
I think if you are using WoW as an example in your complaint about Noobs in MMO's then this discussion is already fail...
Because quite honestly, I see no room for pride being some sort of level 80 tiered gear schmo in a game where every update is an attempt at making it easier and more inviting for my grandmother to get into the game.
Personally WOTLK has kind of put an end to my WoW career and I'm waiting for the next big thing.. Sure WoW was 'fun' but only made so because I had friends that I spent more time arguing about who would win a fight between Wolverine, Batman, and Christian Bale if Batman and WOlverine had walked across his set... But it wasnt by far the most intensive or even skill based RPG i've ever played.. Even Final Fantasy XI had a harder learning curve and dependency on knowing your class, knowing your abilities, and using skills when those skills were needed. Partying required people to know what they were doing and noobs became experts or disappeared under the game's punishing difficulty by around level 20.
If you didnt leave the Dunes a Man (or elf, or taru) who knew at least something about his role in a group, and how not to be a party killer, then eventually your name would get around, no one would want to level with you, you'd get no party invites and you would eventually die off or wait around a long long time for some newer generation of levelers who might not know you come along. Eventually you would just quit and your noob character would die out of the game forever, while you run to forum boards to post flame and hate down upon the game that you really liked secretly but now hate because you were shunned and it hurt so bad, the tears hurt so bad... why couldnt you play?!
That is noob Hell.
But then wow comes along and you can play and click on your little buttons and dont have to worry about any penalties from dying, why, if at first you dont succeed, dust yourself off and try again, you can get up and try again, try again, try again. Want to act like an ass? Pick a town, create a gnome, remove her clothing, and dance to your heart's content! Hell do it in the middle of raids, 60% of your raiding party is bound to find it "hilarious!"
WoW is a game OF noobs FOR noobs.
/rant
Because quite honestly, I see no room for pride being some sort of level 80 tiered gear schmo in a game where every update is an attempt at making it easier and more inviting for my grandmother to get into the game.
Personally WOTLK has kind of put an end to my WoW career and I'm waiting for the next big thing.. Sure WoW was 'fun' but only made so because I had friends that I spent more time arguing about who would win a fight between Wolverine, Batman, and Christian Bale if Batman and WOlverine had walked across his set... But it wasnt by far the most intensive or even skill based RPG i've ever played.. Even Final Fantasy XI had a harder learning curve and dependency on knowing your class, knowing your abilities, and using skills when those skills were needed. Partying required people to know what they were doing and noobs became experts or disappeared under the game's punishing difficulty by around level 20.
If you didnt leave the Dunes a Man (or elf, or taru) who knew at least something about his role in a group, and how not to be a party killer, then eventually your name would get around, no one would want to level with you, you'd get no party invites and you would eventually die off or wait around a long long time for some newer generation of levelers who might not know you come along. Eventually you would just quit and your noob character would die out of the game forever, while you run to forum boards to post flame and hate down upon the game that you really liked secretly but now hate because you were shunned and it hurt so bad, the tears hurt so bad... why couldnt you play?!
That is noob Hell.
But then wow comes along and you can play and click on your little buttons and dont have to worry about any penalties from dying, why, if at first you dont succeed, dust yourself off and try again, you can get up and try again, try again, try again. Want to act like an ass? Pick a town, create a gnome, remove her clothing, and dance to your heart's content! Hell do it in the middle of raids, 60% of your raiding party is bound to find it "hilarious!"
WoW is a game OF noobs FOR noobs.
/rant
While it was the best tanking weapon in game until they nerfed it a couple of months after The Burning Crusade it was perfectly normal to see Rogues with it.
There will always be people that are new to a game and genre and have no understanding of how something works, or at least, have misconceptions about how it works. Its even more likely with an MMO as it gets older, as it gets much harder to group up for leveling or running low level instances.
Then again there are plenty of griefers out there as well.
Edit: HyenaThePirate seems to have funny notions about how WoW with its easy to use interface, intuitive gearing system (mostly) and well paced learning curve, is a game for 'noobs'.
Final Fantasy XI, from your description, has a horrible learning curve which only serves to alienate and discourage players. The game is hurting itself and for no good reason.
There is no argument here, World of Warcraft is the better game, and the double edged sword here is the fact that due to its nature as the better game, its more accessable to everyone.
Even people that don't want to be elitist number crunching freaks like those weird and creepy D&D kids.
Soo, the guy is a noob because he rolled higher than you?Xbowhyena said:
I'd say you're being a bit too elitist. In the one MMO i've played for a reasonable ammount of time, the whole group would roll for a valuable item(except those who had no need for it) regardless of skill or effort. And it felt right. Saying that someone doesn't deserve it because he didn't work as much is a bit of a dick move IMO. If he was really THAT useless though, why didn't you boot him from the group?
HyenaThePirate said:
Okay I can see how you would think that WoW has an easy learning curve in the way it is very easy to physically reach level 80 and to access the end game content; atleast in PvE. However, the best and worst players quickly become apparent and you'd be surprised at how quickly, even on a server wide level, unskilled players are recognised and memorized by raid groups, guilds, etc.
As for PvP, level 80 rated arena matches definitely require skill, team work, co-ordination, and a vast knowledge of all of the different classes and moves.
In summary: being level 80 doesn't mean a player has access to everything, or is considered good at all. 80 is basically where the game starts tbh.
You seem to be slightly missing the point of 'noob', people. A noob isn't a new player. It's an idiotic player.
Newbs will take advice, and learn from their mistakes. Noobs will insist everybody else is wrong, and won't ever change. I was never a noob. I've always been good to the other players. I've been a newb, and made mistakes, but I always got helped out.
Newbs will take advice, and learn from their mistakes. Noobs will insist everybody else is wrong, and won't ever change. I was never a noob. I've always been good to the other players. I've been a newb, and made mistakes, but I always got helped out.
Fail. Since DKs can't use a shield, that's considered a DK tank axe. It has pretty nice stam.Computer-Noob said:
Also if you're using master loot and you're NOT in a raid group, that's pretty much a big no no.
I know if I was in an instance group (even a heroic) and the leader had master loot on I wouldn't be sticking around.
Hmmmm, maybe you're right.
I was acting under the ridiculous assumption that easier games dont attract noobs.
But I have a question... if an expert WoW player switches over to LOTRO and has trouble figuring things out, and can't seem to get the hang of party combat, costing people time and money with wipes..
What would you call that person? Would you still say "he's an expert, it's just that LOTRO is harder!"?
Thats the problem with these types of discussions. At some point ALL of us were Noobs. Thats just a fact. Sure some of us TRY HARDER than others, but none of us just up and went to Naxx and knew what to do automatically. There are no WOW proteges. Good players do research first, hit the forums, even watch videos on youtube to understand their role before hitting an instance and how to NOT be the one to get everyone killed.
Honestly though, for me, I've always been saddened by these sorts of newer age things... the whole point of an MMO is to live and explore and escape with your avatar into another world of mystery and fantasy. Yet only NOOBS seem to do that... "REAL PLAYERS" seem not to mind tossing all that starry eyed romanticism out the window getting add ons that do everything but the quest FOR you, show you where everything is, exactly where to go, what to do. For me that kills. The only real fun is if you are lucky enough to get into a guild and be max level at the VERY START of a new Expansion's release, so that you can be one of the cool people experimenting on how to be "x" boss instead of just following the instructions of some other more adventurous group who had all the fun figuring out how to do it flawlessly so the rest of the server can parrot that same exact way down to the clothing the HEALER wears.
But I digress. Everyone is a Noob at some point. After all Noob or NEWB is short for NEWBIE, which was not an 'idiot' originally, but a NEW BODY.. a new person who didnt know the rules the ropes and how to do anything without trying to consult a manual. But since nobody likes to be seen as the helpless know-nothing, it became a derogatory term that nobody wanted to be called. It was like having a little brother who didnt want to be told he's just a "kid" when he wants to hang out with you and your 21 year old beer drinking, wool-stroking friends.
I was acting under the ridiculous assumption that easier games dont attract noobs.
But I have a question... if an expert WoW player switches over to LOTRO and has trouble figuring things out, and can't seem to get the hang of party combat, costing people time and money with wipes..
What would you call that person? Would you still say "he's an expert, it's just that LOTRO is harder!"?
Thats the problem with these types of discussions. At some point ALL of us were Noobs. Thats just a fact. Sure some of us TRY HARDER than others, but none of us just up and went to Naxx and knew what to do automatically. There are no WOW proteges. Good players do research first, hit the forums, even watch videos on youtube to understand their role before hitting an instance and how to NOT be the one to get everyone killed.
Honestly though, for me, I've always been saddened by these sorts of newer age things... the whole point of an MMO is to live and explore and escape with your avatar into another world of mystery and fantasy. Yet only NOOBS seem to do that... "REAL PLAYERS" seem not to mind tossing all that starry eyed romanticism out the window getting add ons that do everything but the quest FOR you, show you where everything is, exactly where to go, what to do. For me that kills. The only real fun is if you are lucky enough to get into a guild and be max level at the VERY START of a new Expansion's release, so that you can be one of the cool people experimenting on how to be "x" boss instead of just following the instructions of some other more adventurous group who had all the fun figuring out how to do it flawlessly so the rest of the server can parrot that same exact way down to the clothing the HEALER wears.
But I digress. Everyone is a Noob at some point. After all Noob or NEWB is short for NEWBIE, which was not an 'idiot' originally, but a NEW BODY.. a new person who didnt know the rules the ropes and how to do anything without trying to consult a manual. But since nobody likes to be seen as the helpless know-nothing, it became a derogatory term that nobody wanted to be called. It was like having a little brother who didnt want to be told he's just a "kid" when he wants to hang out with you and your 21 year old beer drinking, wool-stroking friends.
You obviously haven't played WoW, not that that's a bad thing though lol. As with many MMOs, there is a BoE BoP system, the former being you can sell it after you pick it up, and the latter being you can't. Items in WoW that are BoP are worth nothing to anyone who can't use it. I can go run the hardest instance in the game and pick up a good BoP item and sell it to a vendor for about as much I could get from one good quest, not much. The item in question was terrible for the warrior, but was exceptional for me and the warlock (and the shaman could have rolled, but he didn't for no apparent reason) so we both deserved it many times more than he did.DragunovHUN said:
Oh, now i see. So he had no need/use for it. But couldn't it be that he needed it for another one of his builds?Xbowhyena said:
