North Korea threatens the US with a Nuclear War.

[Judgement101]

CHALLENGE THEM TO STARCRAFT! But, in all seriousness their nukes can't even reach us.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

You do realize that America was in the Korean war that was 60 years ago, right? And they actually had a reason to be there. It's basically fighting old battles, which is stupid, but I can see why we'd want to fight them.

yeah this. its an old thorn in our side so joining up with south korea is just natural to our heritage...i personally can't really say, i dont like the way north korea is run and recently we've had alot of south koreans who moved here for school and i got to hear their side of it and they hate the north korean government, so i guess im on the americans side but id rather we stay out of it.

 

[ArianaUO321]

Would China allow a war between NK and US or would they step in and make shit more complicated for everyone?

Think about it from China's point of view.

China has a -highly- profitable trade relationship with the US. North Korea, on the other hand doesn't do jack for them financially except buy their defective and highly outdated weaponry. I'd be willing to bet money that if China did get involved, it would be either to attempt to restrain North Korea, or simply declaring N.K to be on its own. And they would be on their own, no national leader in their right mind would side with them on this. Just the same, China strongly recognizes us as a military superpower in this world, and regardless of what they themselves are capable of, they would know better than to attack us. I am not saying "America could kick China's ass" or vice versa, only that both sides would lose horribly if they were to enter a nuclear war.

On that subject of weaponry however, North Korea's weaponry is in fact, highly outdated, and horribly inefficient. They threaten us with a nuclear war? Their weaponry is incapable of reaching our soil. The only US installations they could reach would be on Okinawa(sp), and that would bring Japan, a nation nearly a hundred years ahead of them technologically, down on them. Aside from that, they could attempt to destroy the US battlegroup with nuclear weapons, though the odds of them actually succeeding are slim. North Korea alone vs the United States would be comparable to a kitten attempting to fight a tyrannosaurus rex.

As for us being unable to nuke them? Quite mistaken. America has a "No first use" policy regarding nuclear weapons, meaning we can't strike first with them. If an enemy utilizes them against us however? We are free to retaliate in kind. And make no mistake, the US has the weaponry on hand to make the entire North Korean landmass disappear a thousand times over. Would we use them as such? Highly doubtful. Would we even respond with high yield nuclear weapons? Doubtful as well. We also have the precision and tactical weaponry to eliminate them without putting any of our allies at risk.

Should this all go bad? Should North Korea strike first? Rest assured, it would not be a nuclear war. It would simply be an assisted suicide.

I'm sorry, but this topic is pointless. North Korea would have no chance for survival, much less victory, against the United States on their own. No allies would come to their aid, save for that nutjob in Iran, though he would be incapable of doing anything. North Korea attacking us would simply be their way of committing suicide.

Worrying about it is pointless. The ONLY way this could be a serious threat to America, Canada, or anyone else, is if China got involved, and they aren't stupid enough to destroy the world for North Korea's sake.

 

[maturin]

Seoul would be gone. That's generally considered a bad thing.

 

[Gilhelmi]

CHALLENGE THEM TO STARCRAFT! But, in all seriousness their nukes can't even reach us.

I do believe their Nukes can reach the US. Alaska is all they can hit for now. I am more concerned for the US base in S. Korea though. 20000 dead in a matter of hours.

Would China allow a war between NK and US or would they step in and make shit more complicated for everyone?

Think about it from China's point of view.

China has a -highly- profitable trade relationship with the US. North Korea, on the other hand doesn't do jack for them financially except buy their defective and highly outdated weaponry. I'd be willing to bet money that if China did get involved, it would be either to attempt to restrain North Korea, or simply declaring N.K to be on its own. And they would be on their own, no national leader in their right mind would side with them on this. Just the same, China strongly recognizes us as a military superpower in this world, and regardless of what they themselves are capable of, they would know better than to attack us. I am not saying "America could kick China's ass" or vice versa, only that both sides would lose horribly if they were to enter a nuclear war.

On that subject of weaponry however, North Korea's weaponry is in fact, highly outdated, and horribly inefficient. They threaten us with a nuclear war? Their weaponry is incapable of reaching our soil. The only US installations they could reach would be on Okinawa(sp), and that would bring Japan, a nation nearly a hundred years ahead of them technologically, down on them. Aside from that, they could attempt to destroy the US battlegroup with nuclear weapons, though the odds of them actually succeeding are slim. North Korea alone vs the United States would be comparable to a kitten attempting to fight a tyrannosaurus rex.

As for us being unable to nuke them? Quite mistaken. America has a "No first use" policy regarding nuclear weapons, meaning we can't strike first with them. If an enemy utilizes them against us however? We are free to retaliate in kind. And make no mistake, the US has the weaponry on hand to make the entire North Korean landmass disappear a thousand times over. Would we use them as such? Highly doubtful. Would we even respond with high yield nuclear weapons? Doubtful as well. We also have the precision and tactical weaponry to eliminate them without putting any of our allies at risk.

Should this all go bad? Should North Korea strike first? Rest assured, it would not be a nuclear war. It would simply be an assisted suicide.

I'm sorry, but this topic is pointless. North Korea would have no chance for survival, much less victory, against the United States on their own. No allies would come to their aid, save for that nutjob in Iran, though he would be incapable of doing anything. North Korea attacking us would simply be their way of committing suicide.

Worrying about it is pointless. The ONLY way this could be a serious threat to America, Canada, or anyone else, is if China got involved, and they aren't stupid enough to destroy the world for North Korea's sake.

If N. Korea attack Japan, Japan could not retaliate because of WW2, when we made sure they had almost no military (except for a couple of units for homeland security) and not allow them to engage an enemy outside of Japan (in the Korean war we had Japan do some anti-mine work that had to be kept secret because it was a treaty violation). I agree with you on everything else, it is pointless to worry until N. Korea does something stupid.

 

[whycantibelinus]

If it escalates to a nuclear war, America will be in a bit of a pickle as they cant nuke North Korea, but North Korea has no problems in nuking America.

EDIT: Seeing as a whole lot of people keep quoting me over how "OMG America CAN nuke N.Korea!", let me explain.

Think about how many allies America has close to North Korea. The resulting fallout of the nuclear warheads may very well spread to South Korea, Japan, maybe China. Its probably the reason why America didn't nuke North Korea yet.

America wouldn't actually have to nuke North Korea, we have missiles and bombs that are destructive enough to put the fear of god into North Korea, plus we have excellent ways of tracking and destroying nukes before they hit, especially coming from a country that has only within the last decade been able to put semi-accurate guidance systems in their rockets. It wouldn't come to full blown war, North Korea is just puffing up their chest at us. They would never do something so stupid as to fuck with America militarily, not that America is so bad ass or anything, it's just that the world see's what we do to countries when we are not provoked, what would happen if we were?

 

[whycantibelinus]

I think that SK and the US should stop their exercises for Kim, thus giving in to his demands and threats even though that's horribly wrong.

This is a terrible idea, have you ever read the book If You Give A Mouse A Cookie? Giving into his demands will just make him more and more antagonistic.

 

[pseudoNIHM]

Having recently returned from Korea I can assure you this is typical NoKo sabre-rattling. Tempest in a teacup, folks. Yes, the torpedoing was tragic but that's an anomaly and about the extent of it. KJI is a toothless tiger. America is only there to maintain the Armistice, kind of like baby-sitting (in many ways *precisely* like baby-sitting!)

 

[Locko96]

If it escalates to a nuclear war, America will be in a bit of a pickle as they cant nuke North Korea, but North Korea has no problems in nuking America.

EDIT: Seeing as a whole lot of people keep quoting me over how "OMG America CAN nuke N.Korea!", let me explain.

Think about how many allies America has close to North Korea. The resulting fallout of the nuclear warheads may very well spread to South Korea, Japan, maybe China. Its probably the reason why America didn't nuke North Korea yet.

I'll play the advocate for TEAM "OMG America CAN nuke N.Korea!". So, in the event of a war, South Korea gets fucked over completely without a doubt. N Korean missiles are still in very weak stages. They can barely reach Alaska but could never hit anywhere near mainland USA for the time being. The North Korean military outnumbers the US by... 5 to 1-ish? However, the means little since the North Korean military is very poorly supplied. China wouldn't aid the DPRK because they don't get anything out of the deal. Finally, if the DPRK invades or attacks anyone, an embargo will be placed and military force will be used. The embargo is important because they rely very heavily on outside help to subsist. And there you go!

 

[Kortney]

The same thing has been repeated a billion times in this thread.

Please, stop repeating the same things. We all know the USA is capable of destroying North Korea - it doesn't have to be said by every man and his dog in here.

My opinion on all of this is that nothing will happen. These things get talked up so much in the media and nothing ever really happens.

However, if it did kick off I think it could pose some serious danger (granted, not DESTROY THE WHOLE COUNTRY OMG! danger), but Americans will die. Not to mention lots of South Koreans. And a fuck ton of North Koreans.

I think a gun-ho "we can annihilate North Korea with our little finger" attitude would be extremely damaging. On the other hand though, a part of me does want to see North Korea (more specifically their leaders) get slapped the fuck back down.

 

[not_the_dm]

If it wasn't for the fact that we'd be swamped by the Chinese military, I'd honestly suggest calling NK's bluff and nuking them. As it is I only suggest this in jest.[footnote]I'm a poet and I didn't know it![/footnote] Anyway, surely there must be someway of stopping NK becomeing the international nuclear equivilent of a toddler running around with scissors.

And should this be in here? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/index/528-Religion-and-Politics

 

[Dapsen]

As soon as I saw the words "Nuke" "US" and "Threat" in the same sentence, I started fearing for my further existence.

There are so many pages of discussion, that I haven't read anything but the OP and the first 5 replies, but I'm sure someone has said something along: "Nukes shouldn't exist, as there is too high a risk that they are fired by idiots/at all".
-Which by the way, is also my opinion.
Seriously if a proper 'Nuke War' was to start, it would scar human existence for centuries, if not eradicate it completely.

My problem being this: I'm only 14, and I'd kinda like to live my entire life as I want, without being fucking nuked, or restricted from certain countries since they're being nuked.

 

[ecoho]

If it escalates to a nuclear war, America will be in a bit of a pickle as they cant nuke North Korea, but North Korea has no problems in nuking America.

EDIT: Seeing as a whole lot of people keep quoting me over how "OMG America CAN nuke N.Korea!", let me explain.

Think about how many allies America has close to North Korea. The resulting fallout of the nuclear warheads may very well spread to South Korea, Japan, maybe China. Its probably the reason why America didn't nuke North Korea yet.

I'll play the advocate for TEAM "OMG America CAN nuke N.Korea!". So, in the event of a war, South Korea gets fucked over completely without a doubt. N Korean missiles are still in very weak stages. They can barely reach Alaska but could never hit anywhere near mainland USA for the time being. The North Korean military outnumbers the US by... 5 to 1-ish? However, the means little since the North Korean military is very poorly supplied. China wouldn't aid the DPRK because they don't get anything out of the deal. Finally, if the DPRK invades or attacks anyone, an embargo will be placed and military force will be used. The embargo is important because they rely very heavily on outside help to subsist. And there you go!

ok i see were both points are comeing from to an extent no we would not use nukes against N. korea we dont have to we would just need to move are supercarriers close enoth to start a carpet bombing campain. as to them actualy getting a missle off the ground (witch by the way is still very hard for them) wehave had our missle defence aircraft in N. Korea for the last 3 years we know all their launch points well have hours yes HOURS of warning before they launch anything and by that time we will have both a strike packege to distroy their missle and one to simply anillate them.

 

[Subzerowings]

I think that SK and the US should stop their exercises for Kim, thus giving in to his demands and threats even though that's horribly wrong.

This is a terrible idea, have you ever read the book If You Give A Mouse A Cookie? Giving into his demands will just make him more and more antagonistic.

It's not like he'll get a stronger army or more missiles when we do what he aks for a while.
He'll think that he's safe and powerful, at that moment we should take action.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

So North Korea object to 'rehearsals for war', and show this by threatening to invoke war...

 

[Jumplion]

QUICK EVERYONE! GET INTO YOUR VAULTS! THE GREAT WAR IS COMING FASTER THAN EXPECTED!

It's not the Chinese, IT'S KOREA! I'm off to Vault 13, see ya suckers.

Screw you man, I'm going to Vault 69! WOO, bring the Great War on bitches!

 

[technoted]

For him to engage in Nuclear war with America would kinda require him to actually have the means of getting a nuke here. Which he doesn't. This has been pointed out so many times that it's sad.

At best they can hit Japan. They'd more likely go for South Korea though.

There's more than just missiles when it comes to nuclear warfare.