Norway Massacre: Anders Breivik sentenced 21 years

[FamoFunk]

He'll never be set free, it would be insane if he ever was.

And I'd rather we lock him up than be just a barbaric as him and hand out the death penalty, it solves nothing.

 

[Stu35]

See here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate].

Norway: 0.6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants per year.
United States: 4.2 murders per 100,000 inhabitants per year.

With your rates being seven times higher, I don't think Americans have any right to critique the Norwegian justice system. In fact, you should probably be taking notes.

OT: Probably for the best. The only other outcome would have been him being declared legally insane. While calling him sane was exactly what Breivik wanted, it was also probably the correct decision. I mean he's clearly crazy in an informal sense, as you have to be to kill that many people for such nonsense reasons. But he was in control of his actions, like he wasn't hallucinating or anything, so he's not insane from a legal standpoint I don't think.

This.

Oh so very much of this.

That said, declaring him insane would have pretty much guaranteed he'd have ended up in an institution for the remainder of his life, with absolutely no forum to express his views...

 

[itsthesheppy]

So these parts:

Under Norwegian law the sentence could be extended.

However, inmates who are still considered a threat to society after their sentence is up can be held indefinitely.

can just be ignored then?

Bear in mind the prison system in Norway is about rehabilitation and protection(of the public and the convicted), not revenge.

And I absolutely abhor the death penalty. It's pointless vengeance and has no place in today's society. Obligatory IMO.

Okay, whew, I was worried there. I mean, less than a year per human life taken seems like a grave injustice, but if they can hold him forever as long as he seems just as evil, that's good.

 

[Queen Michael]

I see a lot of people saying he should be given the death penalty. First of all, Norway doesn't have it, and secondly, I firmly believe that the only real reason people support the death penalty is that they want the satisfaction of taking revenge on bad people. Or in other words, they support the death penalty because it's fun to kill people you don't like. That's not a good principle to bade your justice system on.

 

[Supertegwyn]

See here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate].

Norway: 0.6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants per year.
United States: 4.2 murders per 100,000 inhabitants per year.

With your rates being seven times higher, I don't think Americans have any right to critique the Norwegian justice system. In fact, you should probably be taking notes.

OT: Probably for the best. The only other outcome would have been him being declared legally insane. While calling him sane was exactly what Breivik wanted, it was also probably the correct decision. I mean he's clearly crazy in an informal sense, as you have to be to kill that many people for such nonsense reasons. But he was in control of his actions, like he wasn't hallucinating or anything, so he's not insane from a legal standpoint I don't think.

Population of Norway = 5 million
Population of America = 315 million

More people = more crimes.

America's legal system is in shambles, but those numbers count for something.

 

[WoW Killer]

Population of Norway = 5 million
Population of America = 315 million

More people = more crimes.

America's legal system is in shambles, but those numbers count for something.

The figures are per 100,000 inhabitants.

 

[Naeras]

Guys, there's something you need to get straight here.

He's not sentenced to 21 years of jail, he's sentenced to 21 years of custody, meaning the sentence can -- and probably will -- be prolonged for as long as the legal system would like it to be.

This is in practice locking him in and throwing the key, it's just a technicality with the Norwegian juridical system that obviously makes headlines because people don't know how it works.

 

[Absimilliard]

So these parts:

Under Norwegian law the sentence could be extended.

However, inmates who are still considered a threat to society after their sentence is up can be held indefinitely.

can just be ignored then?

Bear in mind the prison system in Norway is about rehabilitation and protection(of the public and the convicted), not revenge.

And I absolutely abhor the death penalty. It's pointless vengeance and has no place in today's society. Obligatory IMO.

The fact that this was pointed out already at the fourth response makes me proud of the Escapist's community and how informed it is.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

Norway's legal system seems to work brilliantly in general, but I do think that sometimes there is no rehabilitating people, and this is one of those cases. I know that he won't ever get out in actuality, but his cell is a little too cushy.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

I think the article may of left out an important part. Sure he's sentenced for 21 years, but he can be forced to stay longer if he's deemed still a danger to society.

Norway has a very different legal system, but they are not idiots.

 

[Von Strimmer]

See here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate].

Norway: 0.6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants per year.
United States: 4.2 murders per 100,000 inhabitants per year.

With your rates being seven times higher, I don't think Americans have any right to critique the Norwegian justice system. In fact, you should probably be taking notes.

OT: Probably for the best. The only other outcome would have been him being declared legally insane. While calling him sane was exactly what Breivik wanted, it was also probably the correct decision. I mean he's clearly crazy in an informal sense, as you have to be to kill that many people for such nonsense reasons. But he was in control of his actions, like he wasn't hallucinating or anything, so he's not insane from a legal standpoint I don't think.

Eh it's like comparing apples and oranges. The culture and mentallity of the United States is completely different from that of Norway. Not saying it's right, but you cant compare them.

O/T Considering the justice system of Norway, it will probably be 21 years +5 +5 +5 +5 +5 ad infinitum.

Edit* Not saying the US system is wrong, just saying (like everything in life) it can do with some tweaking.

 

[GistoftheFist]

Ha, I knew someone couldn't make this thread without someone twisting it around to be about how America is bad and full of crime and stupid Americans!

 

[Guffe]

I hope they make a law that if they feel like it they can re-sentence him after his first penalty is through.
And then re-sentence him again, again and again.. Untill he dies.

If you'd read the thread, you'd realize that we already have something like this. He isn't going to be released from prison until, at worst, he's 80+ years old and too full of health issues to get out of bed.

I thought I read somewhere a few months ago (local newspaper) that you've got that. Where in the thread was it? Didn't honestly see it.
But yeah in cases like this I think the way they in the USA can sentence someone for insanely long timeperiods would be a good solution.

 

[JochemHippie]

I don't really care.

If he comes out in 21 years and he's rehabilitated then so be it.

Population of Norway = 5 million
Population of America = 315 million

More people = more crimes.

America's legal system is in shambles, but those numbers count for something.

The figures are per 100,000 inhabitants.

yes, and the US is about 60 times larger than the US, magnify Norway up to the USs size? you have about 37.8 murders per 100,000 inhabitants.

Norways system sure is wonderful!