Sooooo you don't want your games to be tied to an application, that's why you defend an application that ties your games to it?TheMadJack said:
Origin is stupid, but it's precisely as stupid as Steam. I'd rather not have either.
Notch Calls Origin "a Good Thing"
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Origin is stupid, but it's precisely as stupid as Steam. I'd rather not have either.
This is the gaming industry. People have been dubbed messiahs for less.koroem said:
Anyway, he's kinda right. Doesn't mean he deserves to be heard. It's sad seeing people already defending why Origin is a bad thing because it's not privacy friendly (like Steam) or because they only want money (like Steam).
Competition is a good thing, but Origin doesn't seem to be big on competition. EAs own titles are Origin exclusives and if successful could easily be used to lock-in consumers on that platform, in effect preventing competition.
I can imagine a scenario in the future where users are forced to choose between Steam and Origin and whoever wins that battle will be the platform that distributes games. Whenever there is a war about formats (Blueray vs DVD, VHS vs Betamax, Steam vs Origin) the user is almost always the losing part.
I can imagine a scenario in the future where users are forced to choose between Steam and Origin and whoever wins that battle will be the platform that distributes games. Whenever there is a war about formats (Blueray vs DVD, VHS vs Betamax, Steam vs Origin) the user is almost always the losing part.
The title should say, "Notch Says Steam having Competition a Good Thing" The current title makes it sound like Notch is saying, "I love Origin."
There is a problem, though.
With more platforms arriving, there will be exclusive deals and we will have to have 5 different platforms installed.
On, the other hand, Steam with competition would probably mean more good deals from them. They would steamroll anyone.
With more platforms arriving, there will be exclusive deals and we will have to have 5 different platforms installed.
On, the other hand, Steam with competition would probably mean more good deals from them. They would steamroll anyone.
He wanted to get hits, remember that. A polemic title with an ordinary news piece.shameduser said:
It's kinda hilarious people care so much about Origin taking some random useless information and act like they are going to use it for the most vile deeds possible.
People who hate Origin, you're wasting your time, you're a random nobody that no one cares about. Certainly not EA. I'm a random nobody that won't get harmed by Origin as well.
Got close to 150 hours on BF3 and Origin has done nothing on me. It has done nothing on everyone who plays BF3. It will never do nothing on people who plays BF3. It won't do anything on people who uses Origin too.
I bet everyone generally just want to hate it because it's from EA. As it seems to popular again to hate EA and people love to do what everyone else does. If it didn't have that random information scan thing you guys would most likely hate it anyway.
I'm willing to bet that EA probably hasn't gotten around to use that information they gathered up because it might just be too much.
People who hate Origin, you're wasting your time, you're a random nobody that no one cares about. Certainly not EA. I'm a random nobody that won't get harmed by Origin as well.
Got close to 150 hours on BF3 and Origin has done nothing on me. It has done nothing on everyone who plays BF3. It will never do nothing on people who plays BF3. It won't do anything on people who uses Origin too.
I bet everyone generally just want to hate it because it's from EA. As it seems to popular again to hate EA and people love to do what everyone else does. If it didn't have that random information scan thing you guys would most likely hate it anyway.
I'm willing to bet that EA probably hasn't gotten around to use that information they gathered up because it might just be too much.
A little competition is a good idea. The problem are people behind the idea and the way that idea is executed. Steam awards their users regularly and they have amazing Steam sales. Origin is trying to force you to use their service without providing anything good in return. Even though some developers are forcing us to use Steam, I still want to use Steam because it's good. I actually prefer to have SOME of my games integrated into Steam because of some feature Steam has.
from the point of it being competition, its a good thing, really good thing, i wouldn't mind seeing more of the big boys try this.
but, to be a competition, you have to compete. When it is cheaper to get in my car, drive around a few Canberra suburbs, looking in every EB games, GAME and Dick Smith for it at a better price (and paying for parking at every point). That's not competing, that's punishing people for buying it directly from you. The thing about digital distribution is that there is no disc to buy and burn, no shipping cost, no retailer taking a huge cut and screwing you at every turn, no shelf space limit and no 2nd hand games to compete with.
oh, there's soooo much more wrong with origin, where it fails to compete with steam (and come on, its not rocket science, they could hire a couple of uni programming students and get a better digital distribution system).
so, the only good thing i can say is that their trying, er no, trying isn't the right word, their almost attempting to compete with steam.
but, to be a competition, you have to compete. When it is cheaper to get in my car, drive around a few Canberra suburbs, looking in every EB games, GAME and Dick Smith for it at a better price (and paying for parking at every point). That's not competing, that's punishing people for buying it directly from you. The thing about digital distribution is that there is no disc to buy and burn, no shipping cost, no retailer taking a huge cut and screwing you at every turn, no shelf space limit and no 2nd hand games to compete with.
oh, there's soooo much more wrong with origin, where it fails to compete with steam (and come on, its not rocket science, they could hire a couple of uni programming students and get a better digital distribution system).
so, the only good thing i can say is that their trying, er no, trying isn't the right word, their almost attempting to compete with steam.
On a fundamental level, he does have a point. Steam does need competition. However, Origin is not the way to go about it.
A point I would like to bring up would be that Steam is by no stretch of the imagination the sole supplier of digital download gaming. Just off the top of my head I can name: GamersGate, Direct2Drive, Impulse, Desura and Good Old Games. There is also the craptastic Games for Windows Live. And lets not forget OnLive.
The idea that Origin is necessary to provide competition with Steam is pure arse gravy. Even a cursory Google search on the names I have given will provide more than enough evidence that this is the case.
There are more options out there than Steam and Origin, you just have to look for them.
A point I would like to bring up would be that Steam is by no stretch of the imagination the sole supplier of digital download gaming. Just off the top of my head I can name: GamersGate, Direct2Drive, Impulse, Desura and Good Old Games. There is also the craptastic Games for Windows Live. And lets not forget OnLive.
The idea that Origin is necessary to provide competition with Steam is pure arse gravy. Even a cursory Google search on the names I have given will provide more than enough evidence that this is the case.
There are more options out there than Steam and Origin, you just have to look for them.
Its the principle more than anything. I dont believe that they should have a right to that information, so Im not going to use their service since thats what they demand. ANd yes people would hate EA even if this didnt show up, for numerous reasons. Their terrible customer support, a lot of BF3 players hate the multiplayer/browser...thing, no cross platoform support for BF3 "Soldiers" or whatever they are. Its just numerous things layered on that people get sick of. ANd another big thing is their style of business. AS far as Im aware Valve is a private company and EA is a public. It means Valve can get away with faaaaar more fan service and less money orientated decisions since they arent waiting on the beck and call of shareholders.Zefar said:
Overall it really makes me sad about Origin since BF3 looks like an awesome game that I really want to play. The MP that is, the SP is meant to be terrible which also makes me sadface sicne this entire time I was rooting for them to have a better SP than COD.
OT: Normally I would be inclined to agree but in this case not so much. Normally having no competition would cause the sole market holder to be able to exploit that(many countries have laws disallowing monopolies) but we dont see that. Valve being private means that they dont have to go the full exploitive route and can just sit quietly and chug along doing their own thing without worry. If they were public then I suspect it would be more or a problem and competition would be appropriate.
Turning Notch's words around to attract more reader... really? He said "But I think, in principle, it's a good thing."
Cerberus is in principle a good thing. But the realization is awful. Same goes for Origin. He says that the idea of more competition is good.
Cerberus is in principle a good thing. But the realization is awful. Same goes for Origin. He says that the idea of more competition is good.
Steam DOES have competition, $90 for Darkness 2 there vs $50 elsewhere.
1. They price discriminate based on region (BUT WE LOVE BLACKS), this is absolutely disgusting yet still legal under US law.
2. Unless there's a sale (and even then), all the games are more expensive than gamersgate, good old games, greenman etc.
3. I don't like to have intrusive DRM working (technically copy-protection is DRM too, but it's non-intrusive), and the idea that all my games could be lost at a whim digitally.
4. Valve are just as evil as other companies but many people are too dumb to realise this and I'm sick of explaining it.
1. They price discriminate based on region (BUT WE LOVE BLACKS), this is absolutely disgusting yet still legal under US law.
2. Unless there's a sale (and even then), all the games are more expensive than gamersgate, good old games, greenman etc.
3. I don't like to have intrusive DRM working (technically copy-protection is DRM too, but it's non-intrusive), and the idea that all my games could be lost at a whim digitally.
4. Valve are just as evil as other companies but many people are too dumb to realise this and I'm sick of explaining it.
We really need to get off of this. By "this", i mean every word Notch says. His word doesn't mean much compared to anyone else. As for Origin itself, i have my own opinion that matters to me. That's all i need.
And yes, the title was misleading. We already have people freaking out in the comments above, and eventually below mine.
And yes, the title was misleading. We already have people freaking out in the comments above, and eventually below mine.
The Wykydtron said:
Ignorance is not an excuse for spreading misinformation. And I'm not being defensive. But I am sick and tired of uninformed people coming on these and other forums, and saying crap about how "Steam lies, and Steam is the same as Origin".
It sure as fucking hell isn't. Steam respects it's customers, and shows them respect through practically flawless customer support, constant rebates on games, continual support of older style code, (They personally updated the code for Quake 1 and 2 so it could work on modern PCs, not to mention their emulation of the Sega Classics line up).
Origin treats it's customers like mindless sheep. Maximum downloads per purchase, ridiculous pricing indexes, and my favorite, they reserve the right to ban you from your games, for infractions on their forums. Origin does not have good customer service.
It lets me pay in my local currency, lowering the price of game, in comparison to Steam or any other Digital Distribution that assigns me to Euro zone by 20-30% on average. Until Steam let's me pay in my actual currency I see no reason to praise Steam.Bradeck said:
Also Steam didn't offer refunds for Sword of the Stars 2, blocks game sales based on region despite those games being available on shelves in that region and, that's the kicker, requiring Steam to run.
Next thing is, if you say, buy a Steamworks game through Gamer's Gate, get the install files from there You still have to install it using Steam and if You get unlucky you might run into "Servers are derped currently, try again next year" issues that blocks You from even installing the game You paid for.
See, I can pull plenty of reasons why Steam needs to improve based on my personal experience. Truth is Digital Distribution, even after those 8 years, is still far away from state I'd call "good". All companies need to improve, and having competition is best way for companies to see reason for improvements.
Did anyone take the fact that some people might use both into account?
Those 9.3million users could all be members of Steam, only having an account on Origin to play exclusives.
My point is I see no reason to pick Origin over Steam, unless you hate Valve themselves with a passion.
Those 9.3million users could all be members of Steam, only having an account on Origin to play exclusives.
My point is I see no reason to pick Origin over Steam, unless you hate Valve themselves with a passion.
I agree, the premise of Origin is a good thing. Why should Valve corner the market in digital distribution just because they're Valve? It's just the way EA handles Origin that's horrible. Hopefully, when they become less insecure about it's success their customer relations will improve.
Why are people talking about Origin as the only competition to Steam? Retail stores are competition to steam. Gog and all those other DD services are competition. Origin is only another option. It is NOT the only other option. The day Steam's prices are higher than retail prices is the day I stop buying on Steam.
1. I wish someone would tell me what I've done to to make valve hate me and EA love me, because I have been absolutely screwed by Valve several times and had wonderful experiences with EA, so apparently they only "respect" you if customer support is in a good mood.Bradeck said:
2. support for older code? is that why several games I bought on steam simply refuse to work?
3. except for the emulation on the Sega classics being inferior to fan made emulators, and wouldn't that have been done by Sega anyway?
4. I might be wrong about this but I'm fairly sure I see people say that Steam has the worst prices if you live in certain places.
5. I must be the only person who thinks that the forum bans locking you out of your games it the best idea ever, maybe if there were actually consequences beyond a small wrist slap then the G.I.F.T would not exist, and on top of that no one seem to remember that Valve can take away all your games at any, for any reason, and they don't need to tell you why.