Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault

[Elate]

Right, so here I'm seeing "Drunk creepy guy pulls stupid move" girl blows things out of proportion (pun intended.)

Drunk people, do stupid things, if she really had an issue with the guy she should have got up and walked away, like most sensible adults, even drunk ones can manage that. Ok, he shouldn't have had his dick out in the first place and should probably get done for public indecency, but I consider things like rape sexual assault. Nothing here says he went after her etc, just did something very very stupid and probably felt like a complete ass hat (If he was even sober enough to remember.)

Maybe I'm just not so prudish or something but touching a dudes penis is not really a biggy, he probably thought he was being super smooth or something. While I'm not saying this guy was in the right, he really wasn't, she had ample opportunity to get up and walk away too. Of course now that I've said this I will no doubt be labeled some woman beating, misogynistic, rapist molester from hell or something, cause everything's gotta be black and white yo.

 

[Entitled]

Your conclusion doesn't follow your premise. We wouldn't live in a culture where we got equally sexually assaulted, we would live in a culture that didn't distinguish between assault (illegal) and sexual assault (illegal), both of which are, in the proposed model, not worth worrying about but ARE still illegal and worthy of legal punishment (or a punch to the face, to quote myself).

TL;DR: You don't need to feel traumatized to be a victim, and if the acts are still kept illegal, why in the hell wouldn't we want the average victim to not be traumatized if most of their traumatization is because of society's teachings to begin with?

In your own posts, you compare this current case to being forced to grab someone's arm. Should making someone grabbing your arm be illegal, and if yes, should it earn the same level of punishment as sexual assault.

If breaking a leg and getting raped might cause comparable physical pain, then after ignoring the cultural severity of rape, which one's punishment should be matched with the other? Should rape be a misdemeanor like assault and battery, or should every case of causing physical pain to someone give the same several years of prison to you, regardless of whether or not it involved morally based emotional pain?

 

[Entitled]

The problem with that is, that it's based on the idea that sexual assault is just a social construct, and therefore a matter of subjective morality.

Unless you want to make up some pseudoscientific hypothesis about how men are biologically haywired to shrug off sexual assault while women aren't, it basically means that sexual assault on men is OK, as long as culture teaches them that it is OK. In other words, women only receive emotional pain from sexual assault because they are taught to consider it a morally unacceptable attack on their identity.

If sexual assault is a matter of subjective morality, that can be ignored in some cases where the "victim" doesn't happen to feel victimized for cultural reasons, then the logical course of action to eliminate the dangers of sexual assault, would be to condition women that sexual assault is no big deal as well, so we could all live in a culture where we get equally raped, and equally not worrying about it.

And isn't it partially a social construct? The same way "murder is bad" is also a social construct.

I've been in many situations that, if genders were reversed, would have been seen as sexual assault. Rape is a bit extreme, but things like groping, flashing, pulling off my pants with no warning at all, etc. If I showed my junk off to some random girls, I don't think they'd be happy, when I get flashed by girls I think it's awesome. Girls have grabbed my hand and put it on their crotch a few times, if I did that with a girl I just met, I'd be taking quite the risk, and likely be labelled a rapist, pervert or something similar.

Since having a vagina doesn't make you mentally weaker, you could argue that it is a social construct, and that women could theoretically be conditioned over decades to handle unwanted sexual advances differently. However, I wish you good luck on such an endeavor, since not only will you be labelled a "rape supporter" (and receive a myriad of other insults), but you will likely also be told that you are ignorant, misogynistic, and even psychopathic for such ideas. Forgive me if I'm rambling, it's late and I am quite tired. Anyhow, such talk is only inviting a lot of rage.

So, do what? Let's just be more strict with male rapists and more protective of female victims, because they are more likely to be emotionally hurt? Or accept that the same non-consensual acts should be punished based on how much fuss the victim chooses to make afterwards, instead of any objective criteria (e.g: genital-touching is bad)?

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

Really... there was one chick on here all up for rubbing her period blood on some paper and calling it art...

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

Really... there was one chick on here all up for rubbing her period blood on some paper and calling it art...

Yes, please do compare art you dislike to shrugging off sexual assault. It'll make it easier to not take you seriously.

Wow... I was only kidding around... no need for that!

And I am not shrugging off sexual assault... did you even read my comment? I mentioned that it shouldn't have happened, she should have been glad it wasn't worse, and you can't really tell if that was the whole story...

How am I shrugging it off? Please tell...

 

[3quency]

So many new and exciting ways to downplay sexual assault, blame the victim, and show solidarity for a creeper.

Way to go, guys. Fantastic job you're doing, showing how gamer culture totally doesn't have problems with sexism.

Eh? I haven't read all the comments here, but I thought we'd all just sort of agreed that the one person that was definitely an asshole in this situation was Mr. Creeper.

I could well be wrong I guess.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

Really... there was one chick on here all up for rubbing her period blood on some paper and calling it art...

Yes, please do compare art you dislike to shrugging off sexual assault. It'll make it easier to not take you seriously.

Wow... I was only kidding around... no need for that!

And I am not shrugging off sexual assault... did you even read my comment? I mentioned that it shouldn't have happened, she should have been glad it wasn't worse, and you can't really tell if that was the whole story...

How am I shrugging it off? Please tell...

Did you not read the comment before quoting me?

Person A: Shit happens at parties.
Person B: That is the worst thing I've seen.
Person C: Menstrual blood painting is worse.

Therefore, you stated that the art I showed was more "sickening and sad" than shrugging off sexual assault.

Simple.

I was commenting on your comment by playing on the words... sick in modern tounge has multiple meanings... You used it on a moral level as an adjective, where I switched it to a more literal verb...

It was a simple switch of words... and not in any way attempt to cause any offence... yet your verbally abusive backlash was totally uncalled for!

 

[CardinalPiggles]

I do feel sorry for her, but she really could've done more. So should the guard, but you can understand his dismissive behaviour seeing as she was drunk.

It sucks that this sort of thing still happens, people need to get a grip.

"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"

Holy shit, my sides.

Seriously? Your response to sexual assault is "that's hilarious"?

I think I'm going to instead believe that you just got back from boxing, and quoted that by accident.

Taken out of context (which is how he chose to quote it) is pretty funny, not gonna lie. Even if the story is seriously wrong.

 

[Dogstile]

"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"

Holy shit, my sides.

Ignore everyone else, that one line was golden and absolutely hilarious.

People, humour is subjective. Get over it.

OT: I'm surprised she didn't tell someone and that he didn't get the crap beaten out of him. That would have made a satisfying end to the night.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

SNIP

I wasn't joking about the fucking abuse... I have already stated that! I was merely joking with the exaggerative comment you made...

What is your problem? You are taking everyones comments as some sort of personal insult to you and then getting all up your own arse about it... You are not the be all and end all of morality and what consitutes right and wrong, so who gave you permission to shit-can anyones opinion that varies to yours in such an arrogant way?

Other people in this thread have made very valid points on a grey area, that are pertinent and personal to them, and you have turned around and told them they are wrong... how is someones opinion wrong in a non-defined grey area?

And THEN someone makes a joke UNCONNECTED to the arguement, and you can't admit that was the case... just because you read into it wrong means that I am completly wrong and at fault, even though your mistake was pointed out to you by me and someone totally unconnected...

Seriously, chill the fuck out, and be more accommodating of other peoples opinions...!