Nudity

[Admiral Stukov]

Personally I'd like to see nudity in a horror game. That feeling of total vulnerability would surely add some tension to a scene; like if your character was escaping a hospital after waking up on an autopsy table. I've never seen an autopsy or surgery where someone is fully clothed, and imagine how tense things would get if you knew that you had absolutely nothing to protect your frail body with against whatever horrors await you in the unlit corners of the winding corridors you pad down barefoot in hopes of salvation.

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there, NaNoWriMo is coming up and I need to exercise my inner novelist.

I think that is a splendid idea. Thumbs up.

But, in my mind at least, a violent death would be comparable to rape, thus it's still very much disproportional where the threshold for what's accepteble to put opn air is.

So how many real-life rapes have you seen on TV? Like actual rapes? Its just as rare, if not rarer, as a murder.

Yeah I did not really word that any good.
What I was trying to get to is that sexual/nudity content gets cut out long before it reaches those levels, as american TV blurring out the nipples of a woman breastfeeding which is waaaaaay below showing a rape, but the same network might show a dead body in the news wich isn't far below showing the actual death. I apoligize for failing to word myself properly, thus causing confusion.

 

[Usurpurus]

If all violence or nudity isn't shown somewhat regularly, people will think of it as males think of breasts. Because you can't have/see it, you want it more.

 

[D Moness]

Well, in movies and TV at least, the violence isn't real, the nudity is. That's the difference when it comes to censorship. Real violence is even more taboo, especially deaths and whatnot

So nudity in games is real but violence ingame isn't.

Hence my including the phrase "in movies and Tv at least"

Yeah but the discussion was about videogames so i got it back to that topic .

You don't see full frontal nudity in billboards, T.V. ads, School Hallways and etc. I wish .It's generally about Culture, violence is undoubtedly part of culture but nudity is not.

God i wish after midnight there are 7 channels that broadcast text adds/phone adds for sex etc (together with women in all stages of undressed). These are channel you get normally. Thank heavens they quit doing it during late night movies. Do not find it funny to switch of the sound because the heavy breathing of the "commercials"is twice as loud as the movie)

 

[Stone Wera]

I think that nudity is far more acceptable than extreme violence, and can't see what the huge hullabaloo is over this. I'd rather my (hypothetical) child be having sex than killing someone. And by censoring things, you only demonize it, blowing it up to insane proportions until it bursts the second the pants come off.

 

[Abengoshis]

Because US society has some kind of phobia of referring to anything sexual.

And theyer crime rates are basically in the negatives when compaired to amarica's.

They resurrect people?

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I agree that this is stupid, but it's already in a slow process of change. You're allowed to show tits on the CBC at 8PM now in Canada; no doubt the US will follow suit eventually as the boomers die off and we hedonists begin to replace them.

But the Boomers were hedonists. They were, after all, the hippies.

 

[The Clown]

i agree, i would rather have people being naked than decapitating eachother

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

So this is something that always bugged me, why is it that violence is much more accepted than nudity in videogames?

Because when Uncle Jeremiah goes and cuts the cow's throat back at the farm so we can all have some beefsteak, that's perfectly acceptable and you should watch and learn.

But sex is the devil's temptation and you should be ashamed for doing it. Now go do 1000 Hail Marys and repent for your sins.

Slightly less serious answer, but you can see where i'm coming from.

Pretty much this. While Australia was created as a penal colony, the thirteen colonies (the US) is where are the religous fanatics of Europe went so they wouldn't be persecuted. Many of these religous sects (the Puritans for instance) were very strict about their rules and laws. While violence wasn't necessarily frowned upon so long as you didn't go around murdering people wily-nily (and even that was okay so long as it was the right people), sex was a very private affair. Some of the early colonist didn't even like sex very much even between a man and a wife. They thought of it as very sinful and all that. Fast-forward about 200 years later and alot of people in America still have that same view about sex. Violence, while not necessarily considered a good thing, has a tendency to be glorified at times. The US was born in war and we Americans just love to remember our victories in WW2.

So that's why violence = okay at times while sex = very naughty in America. I'm guessing that violence isn't so glorified in Europe due to the fact that in 2 world wars were waged there and so people may better remember the horrors that come with violence.

 

[Furious Styles]

Yeah I did not really word that any good.
What I was trying to get to is that sexual/nudity content gets cut out long before it reaches those levels, as american TV blurring out the nipples of a woman breastfeeding which is waaaaaay below showing a rape, but the same network might show a dead body in the news wich isn't far below showing the actual death. I apoligize for failing to word myself properly, thus causing confusion.

Fair enough, in the news that is the case. In movies and TV I think that what i wrote definitely has validity. You aren't seeing a real murder but you are seeing a real cock/pussy/tit/arse

 

[Ampersand]

I agree, it doesn't make any sence.

 

[CarlsonAndPeeters]

I don't mind nudity, but it seems unnecessary in some games (Heavy Rain, I'm looking at you).

I think violence and nudity should be equally allowed as long as they serve a purpose, like Mass Effect. In Heavy Rain it seemed to be just like, "Oh, lets show Madison showering...that's part of the 'art'." Its not. The art is the story telling. Showing her showering is creepy.

Same goes for Modern Warfare 2. I felt that the terrorist scene was entirely unnecessary. Did it offend me: no. But I can't help but feel that its only in the game to be controversial. Its only purpose is to advance some plot and moral theme that is completely implausible anyway. I could have written a much more sensible game without such an over-the-top display of murder.

TL,DR: Violence and nudity are okay, but that doesn't mean you should always use them.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Yeah I did not really word that any good.
What I was trying to get to is that sexual/nudity content gets cut out long before it reaches those levels, as american TV blurring out the nipples of a woman breastfeeding which is waaaaaay below showing a rape, but the same network might show a dead body in the news wich isn't far below showing the actual death. I apoligize for failing to word myself properly, thus causing confusion.

Fair enough, in the news that is the case. In movies and TV I think that what i wrote definitely has validity. You aren't seeing a real murder but you are seeing a real cock/pussy/tit/arse

Yeah, but then again movies is an established medium, and games will probably develop a more relaxed attitude to nudity. Hopefully. But what I'd want is to people to realise that every new medium isn't automatically evil, and niether is nudity.

 

[Imp Poster]

I think this is probably the first nudity thread that doesn't show any nudity on a forum.

buzzkill

 

[Furious Styles]

Yeah, but then again movies is an established medium, and games will probably develop a more relaxed attitude to nudity. Hopefully. But what I'd want is to people to realise that every new medium isn't automatically evil, and niether is nudity.

What I said definitely doesn't apply to games, i think its just prudishness that keeps nudity out of games. i think its ridiculous that there are games where you can kill, murder and pillage but if you show even an alien side boob people are up in arms. i agree with what you wrote there.

 

[Dexiro]

It's more of a taboo really. These days you can show people spilling guts and tearing off limbs in full detail, but when it comes to putting certain body parts inside each other it's just too much to bare!

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I think this is probably the first nudity thread that doesn't show any nudity on a forum.

buzzkill

I'm terribly sorry about that quite sad fact, good sir.
I was however mearly trying to avoid having to dodge the Banhammer.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

I suppose it's what they think they can do to our minds
nudity could lead to early experimentation (I saw them do it, so it's okay to do it too right?) which is bad.

Violence could lead to people getting a little irritable and maybe punch something. But I'm just pulling those out of thin air. So I may not be the go to guy =\

 

[Imp Poster]

I think this is probably the first nudity thread that doesn't show any nudity on a forum.

buzzkill

I'm terribly sorry about that quite sad fact, good sir.
I was however mearly trying to avoid having to dodge the Banhammer.

Doh! banhammer..

Double buzzkill

Ah, I know. It's all good. It's not that kind of site.

 

[Zackary Yakumo]

I actually dont get this either. I can go and make a game with hours uponhours of violence, blood, and the character kicking puppys for laughs and giggles. Id get an M maybe. but add one breast in there and boom! Automatic M. and nudity isnt sexual. nudity (in ther right context!) can be considered art. I dont think blood and viloence are art.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I suppose it's what they think they can do to our minds
nudity could lead to early experimentation (I saw them do it, so it's okay to do it too right?) which is bad.

Violence could lead to people getting a little irritable and maybe punch something. But I'm just pulling those out of thin air. So I may not be the go to guy =\

I disagree, by making nudity a taboo it becomes forbidden fruit, and gets absolutely blown out of proportion. By showing that it really isn't anything special it'll lose appeal for a lot of underage people, just the way as parents in sweden are thought to let their kids taste alcohol at home, thus showing it's nothing special, removing the overhyped forbidden fruit appeal.