That is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this.Sacman said:
In my opinion, this is just Obama's way of introducing the ACTA act before it gets signed.
Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"
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In my opinion, this is just Obama's way of introducing the ACTA act before it gets signed.
This thread... it bothers me. This seems exactly like the kind of thing the Escapist usually deletes on sight simply for having the word piracy in it. It's interesting to see people's opinions on it though. Myself I'm only more disappointed in any government tan I've ever been. There are far better things the Obama administration could be dealing with. The U.S is an economical and military superpower and all it can think about is how capitalism can screw more people out of their money. What the fuck is wrong with this world?
Nice to see someone mention this. People like to point at the big bands out there and talk about how rich they all are, or point to the publishing companies and their giant yearly intake, and loudly proclaim that they have enough money and no one is getting hurt. As you pointed out, however, that's not really the case at all. The big bands don't feel the pain, and they more than make up for any losses with their giant tour and merch income. The heads of the publishing houses aren't going to be feeling it either, if revenue takes a dip they're likely the last ones to take a pay cut and if someone needs to be fired they're not going to fire themselves. It's the little guys that take even "small" losses on the nose. That indie band you were going to sign? Sorry, revenues are down for this year. Gotta cut payroll? That guy who works in the mastering department or the new guy on the art team that has a family to feed are a good place to start.BonsaiK said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_ActDeshin said:
Several sections of which overturned for being unconstitutional and civil rights violations. Many attempts to have it repealed altogether, and somewhat successful in that when parts of the bill were phased out a few years ago. Since the bill remains, obviously a lot of people don't care enough to remove it, or like it the way it is.
Yeah, that was a horrible mistake. World War 2 was full of them on every side. We apologized though?Deshin said:
That's a treaty being worked on exclusively by the executive branch. To become law it has to be passed by a supermajority of the congress. Even if all the supposed blatant civil rights issues remain, they will be easily shown as unconstitutional.Deshin said:
Don't deny that money isn't today's ultimate power.[/quote]Deshin said:
Money is societies value of worth placed upon a commodity. Supply v. Demand. It has always been power, but it isn't the ultimate power. Rich people are sent to jail. Better funded campaigns don't always win. News media and internet do a fairly good job keeping us informed. Worst comes to worst, you can run for office yourself
er, why? technically, piracy is stealing and why shouldn't someone who is stealing something be dealt with (IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER)AndyFromMonday said:
Downloading one song and being given a $600,000 fine isn't justice, it's just overkill. But you should be fined.
Maybe you should read this treaty a little more carefully. Have you cleared your cache since viewing this thread? Then by the terms of Acta, you're guilty of theft. It isn't just applicable to music and videos. The way this is written, any intellectual property right saved to your computer, knowingly or not, is fair game. Corporate logos, trademarks, video game characters, just to name a few examples. My avatar is a picture of Mario. That is the intellectual property of Nintendo. Because you haven't cleared your cache, you have an unauthorized reproduction of Nintendo's property without Nintendo's written consent. According to ACTA, you've defrauded Nintendo and they may pursue you (or if you're underage, your parents or whoever pays your internet bill) for punitive and compensatory damages in court if they so choose. ACTA also allows for your internet service provider to scan your hard drive without your consent looking for copy right violations and notify the "defrauded" party.SODAssault said:
And I suppose a savage beating is flat, unadulterated murder?
There's a pretty substancial difference between copying and permanently removing... If I custom build a, let's say computer case, and somebody else sees it and decides to copy it exactly based on measurements that were made public one way or another, they have effectively "pirated" my plans...it's not exactly the same as stealing my case.
There's a pretty substancial difference between copying and permanently removing... If I custom build a, let's say computer case, and somebody else sees it and decides to copy it exactly based on measurements that were made public one way or another, they have effectively "pirated" my plans...it's not exactly the same as stealing my case.
I have no problem stealing stuff.
so calling it theft really doesn't matter to me.
I don't really see the big issue here, there is no loss of money as the copies are not being made by the companys and most people who pirate things wouldn't even buy it, they would just use youtube or some sort of other legal digital media on the internet.
in short:
noone looses money on piracy.
(let the flaming come at me)
so calling it theft really doesn't matter to me.
I don't really see the big issue here, there is no loss of money as the copies are not being made by the companys and most people who pirate things wouldn't even buy it, they would just use youtube or some sort of other legal digital media on the internet.
in short:
noone looses money on piracy.
(let the flaming come at me)
Damn it, I should have pirated EZdrummer before this law was thrown down.
Fucking great. Now I have to buy it a THIRD time. Stupid registration code shit.
Fucking great. Now I have to buy it a THIRD time. Stupid registration code shit.
Calling digital piracy theft is a slippery slope that leads to 85% of the internet users to become thieves.
Own that avatar/desktop background/mp3, video, image or game you got from a friend, do you? You don't, you say? Have a seat for 2 to 8 year in this cell, you thief you. Yes copyright infringement is badong but it's not theft. Only person I know of that is not an "internet pirate" is my mother because she don't use her computer for anything but emails and banking.
Own that avatar/desktop background/mp3, video, image or game you got from a friend, do you? You don't, you say? Have a seat for 2 to 8 year in this cell, you thief you. Yes copyright infringement is badong but it's not theft. Only person I know of that is not an "internet pirate" is my mother because she don't use her computer for anything but emails and banking.
Capitalism is a dirty business.
You know what, I'd admire the US government and the ACTA act if it was standing up for integrity. If it was standing up for artistic creation. But it's not.
It wants big business to have more power. It wants big business to make more money. You think they really gives a shit about the morality of piracy? Hah! You think it really cares about the fact that Musicians and Film Makers aren't making as much money as they could be? Hah! This is a government that kills tens of thousand innocent people a month. This is a government that is currently experiencing one of the worst environmental disasters of our times and doing next to nothing to solve the problem. This is a government that is willing to shit all over its constitution if it will provide a profit to them.
ACTA is out for the protection of multi-billion dollar corporations to safeguard and control their wealth. So is Obama.
Please. Whatever your thoughts about piracy, this bullshit coming from the Obama Administration and ACTA needs to stop.
Just like everything else that makes money in this world, the internet is going to become a branded, regulated, controlled, censored and privatised experience.
You know what, I'd admire the US government and the ACTA act if it was standing up for integrity. If it was standing up for artistic creation. But it's not.
It wants big business to have more power. It wants big business to make more money. You think they really gives a shit about the morality of piracy? Hah! You think it really cares about the fact that Musicians and Film Makers aren't making as much money as they could be? Hah! This is a government that kills tens of thousand innocent people a month. This is a government that is currently experiencing one of the worst environmental disasters of our times and doing next to nothing to solve the problem. This is a government that is willing to shit all over its constitution if it will provide a profit to them.
ACTA is out for the protection of multi-billion dollar corporations to safeguard and control their wealth. So is Obama.
Please. Whatever your thoughts about piracy, this bullshit coming from the Obama Administration and ACTA needs to stop.
Just like everything else that makes money in this world, the internet is going to become a branded, regulated, controlled, censored and privatised experience.
Holy shit. That's just for uploading stuff, not downloading, though? And I thought ACTA hadn't passed yet?Hateren47 said: