Obama ends military ban

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Matt Oliver

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So President Obama finally signed off on the ending of DADT, heres the link.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ends-gays-us-military-ban-205550221.html
so what r your opinions on ending the ban?
 

Austin Howe

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Took them fucking long enough.
Part of the reason I still support the Obama Presidency, overall a great thing for everyone involved, and a huge step forward.
 

WinkyTheGreat

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Good. Now if we could just get Boehner to allow a repeal vote on the DOMA, we'll be off to a good start.
 

MagicMouse

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I think this is good, obviously.

However I think he has more important things to be dealing with concerning the military right now.

Like, you know, not sending them to fight wars without congress approval.
 

FalloutJack

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This had to happen. We put Obama in office, ending the pattern of white men only in the White House. Better or worse, we broke a chain in the name of tolerance (and, you know, hating Bush). After this, all other intolerances in America look exactly cock-eyed stupid. It's too late for that line of thinking. That fad has run its course.
 

Kolby Jack

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I'm in the military, and though it probably won't change much of anything about where I work, I am concerned about having gay men on the front lines, ESPECIALLY in the special forces. Unit cohesion is a matter of life and death, and while I don't know if it would cause any problems, I'm just a bit concerned that similar issues that prevent women from serving in those areas would come up with gay men there. Not the same, but something similar. Nobody should die because they're forced to work alongside someone who distracts them. Again, not saying that is absolutely going to happen, but it's just something I think should be addressed.
 

Nieroshai

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Didn't the Congress already do that by repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell? I mean, good for them, but this wasn't Obama's doing. At all. He signed it, true, but it was neither his idea nor his hard work.
 

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It's about damn time. I don't see why it was in place in the first place. Is the gender of the person that a fellow soldier hopes to return home to after their tour's done really that big an issue for people in the US Military?
 

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Jack the Potato said:
I'm in the military, and though it probably won't change much of anything about where I work, I am concerned about having gay men on the front lines, ESPECIALLY in the special forces. Unit cohesion is a matter of life and death, and while I don't know if it would cause any problems, I'm just a bit concerned that similar issues that prevent women from serving in those areas would come up with gay men there. Not the same, but something similar. Nobody should die because they're forced to work alongside someone who distracts them. Again, not saying that is absolutely going to happen, but it's just something I think should be addressed.
Most servicemen when surveyed said they didn't really care either way.
 

Mookie_Magnus

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He signed the bill ending DADT back in December... it's just taken this long for the Pentagon to finally deem that the US military was completely ready and all soldiers and future soldiers were fully trained on the new military code.

There is still 60 days before it is 100% enacted and on the books... But, progress is being made.

As a future soldier who is not heterosexual, I have been keeping up with this stuff over the last month or so.

Sadly, even once servicemen and women are allowed to be openly out, and declare themselves as homosexual or otherwise... There is still work to be done. Sexuality is not seen as a protected status, such as race or religion, and discrimination because of such on an individual level will not be handled by the same processes that one would go through because of discrimination based on race.

Even more-so, because of the Defense of Marriage Act signed into effect during the Clinton Administration, marriage is still sadly seen on a federal level as between a man and a woman only, so therefore, same-sex couples who are legally married in their state, or have an equivalent status, are not treated as such by the US government, and by extension, the US Armed Services, so therefore, they are not allowed the same privileges that are awarded 'traditional' marriages. Which means the person you are married to/ committed to, cannot be a recipient of your military health-care, housing and family benefits... they're not even legally recognized as your spouse, but as a 'cohabitant' which is seen as the same level as people who are dating.
 

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For some reason my mind immediately goes to the showers. Are homosexuals going to get different showers? Or does everyone in the military have their own personal shower? I don't know, I've never served (obviously).

I mean, good for the gays and all, it is a grand day for fair-handedness and all that; but at the same time, I can understand straight men being uncomfortable showering with gay men, for example.
 

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Mookie_Magnus said:
Even more-so, because of the Defense of Marriage Act signed into effect during the Clinton Administration, marriage is still sadly seen on a federal level as between a man and a woman only, so therefore, same-sex couples who are legally married in their state, or have an equivalent status, are not treated as such by the US government, and by extension, the US Armed Services, so therefore, they are not allowed the same privileges that are awarded 'traditional' marriages. Which means the person you are married to/ committed to, cannot be a recipient of your military health-care, housing and family benefits... they're not even legally recognized as your spouse, but as a 'cohabitant' which is seen as the same level as people who are dating.
Uh. Damn. That...that really sucks. I never thought of that particular consequence of same-sex marriage being allowed only in certain states. That's more than a bit ridiculous....
 

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kacj321 said:
Wait gays where ban in the military. Why?
Dont Ask Dont Tell. Its a policy in the military that lets gay men serve only if no one no one asks and he doesnt tell. So an openly gay man would not be allowed to serve.

OT: What the fuck?! I was going to post the DADT episode of The Onion, but its blocked!
Anyways, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+onion+don%27t+ask+don%27t+tell&aq=1&oq=the+onion+don

hopefully this works...


We gotta protect our gays
 

Falconsgyre

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Don't be silly. There are no gays in the military.

Also, this:


Edit: Damn. A couple minutes late with the video. Took me too long to check how to bypass age verification on youtube.
 

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Mr Thin said:
For some reason my mind immediately goes to the showers. Are homosexuals going to get different showers? Or does everyone in the military have their own personal shower? I don't know, I've never served (obviously).

I mean, good for the gays and all, it is a grand day for fair-handedness and all that; but at the same time, I can understand straight men being uncomfortable showering with gay men, for example.
They're already showering with gay people. Gay people are everywhere, literally everywhere. It's just now they'll know who's gay, if that person chooses to come out. And that's still a pretty big if, many gay people aren't out in the workplace, even when they're out in their personal lives. The whole reason for this push is that it's unfair for the gay people currently serving.

And no, no separate showers.
 

GrimTuesday

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Mr Thin said:
For some reason my mind immediately goes to the showers. Are homosexuals going to get different showers? Or does everyone in the military have their own personal shower? I don't know, I've never served (obviously).

I mean, good for the gays and all, it is a grand day for fair-handedness and all that; but at the same time, I can understand straight men being uncomfortable showering with gay men, for example.
I think Barney Frank summed it up beautifully,


Basically, straight solders have been showering with homosexuals the whole time, they just haven't been aware of it. The only thing that has changed is that now homosexuals can now be true to themselves and not have to hide behind a facade.