Obama Wins!! (moderator supported thread)

[sneakypenguin]

Regarding outsourcing. It's a necessary evil as companies strive to maintain a competitive advantage, plus why not relocate to a country with a friendlier tax policy and cheaper labor? it makes sense to me. Plus if you really cared about this issue how often do you strictly look for things that are made in america? How often do you by a more expensive product just because it's made in america. I hear people complain when the job goes overseas but I don't hear them complain when their goods cost X amount cheaper.

I buy American as much as I possibly can. I do check labels on products and have on many occasions spent a few bucks more to pick up a product with that little flag that says "MADE IN USA" on it. Hell, I even go out of my way to try my best to avoid using services from companies that outsource their call-centers for customer/tech support overseas.

To me, it's worth the extra effort and a few extra bucks here and there to support the workers of my own country rather than just mindlessly buy the cheapest shit available and not care where it was made.

Well kudos to you then. But you have to admit most do not follow your example. If they did companies wouldn't outsorce.(and this without regulation from uncle sam) lol if only people would put their money where their mouth is the free market would work wonders

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Higher taxes equal better public services and better gun control means that people like you who perhaps might want to murder somebody or let every criminal murder people with guns. Murder rate in the US is way higher than pretty much everywhere that has good gun control. You think trying to lower murder rate is a bad thing?

People who like lower taxes are evidently those who just want it easy for the well of while letting the poor starve to death and not get a decent education etc. They are in general selfish pigs too, not just the people wo get handouts.

But some of us like to take care of our own lives rather then have a paternalistic government to take care of us from cradle to grave. People who are for lower taxes are generally for keeping more of what they make, and realize that wealth trickles down(generally)
And here in america no poor starve to death(there is Foodstamps WIC government housing, education is free, healthcare is almost free for many(medicare, tenncare,etc) I mean my god how much more can you ask for. In this country you are given every opportunity to make something of yourself. Why do we need even more government services (and higher taxes on me) just because people are to stupid or lazy to fend for themselves.

Because some of those services include schools. Which I don't know about you, but last year, in my county alone we had three close. Due to lack of funds.

Were they good schools? Maybe some of the money went to training teachers and improving the other school systems. Maybe some of the saved money turned some schools into learning academy's instead of 7-hour long day care centers. As many of my teachers put it "Quality, not quantity".

They were k-6. I dunno, but it seems pretty easy tot each a child that 2*2=4.

English classes could use a boost, but that's more about policy change than MOAR MUNNIES FRO MOAR BUKS!! There needs to be more stress on grammar and vocabulary understanding than "the teachers pick for least racist book this year".

 

[hungoverbear]

Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD

So true, i checked his website and he is all about letting LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to own guns. On his website he also posted that he not only supports hunting be reconizes it as a very valuable asset to the economy. Also serously you dont need an AK or M16 for personal use, i mean you cant use it for self defense (you shoot someone chances are your gonna hit someone in the house next to you and kill them too) and they are useless for hunting, So Retoru i am drinking to your post *chugs whats left of my Sparks*

 

[Rankao]

Ugh, disappointing. Obama winning makes me question America. *sigh*

The last eight years hasn't?

Yeah, I too am pretty wary of anyone who isn't questioning of his country when they begin, I dunno... torturing people?

but its so fun!

And with the above post. I have to disagree more government is always better, just look at California and their amazing growth of industry.

I believe in small government in terms of making it easy for people to thrive, but big government regulation wise in terms of industry. Problem is, it's on the books that corporations can be considered "people". Something that needs to change since it's the ultimate loop hole. I am in favor of small government, once the population shows adequate ability to govern itself.

But the government is effected by the people. The Government isn't some all powerful deity that can act on the world without fault. The problem is the government has been filled out with so much feces, bile, and piss that it negatively effects everyone. If you notice there actually a good bit of in sourcing into the United States and Americans are being given jobs by foreign countries (Automobile Industry).

Too much of anything is very counter productive. I will give you an example, Unions. They should be a good thing, they should represent the people to the companies but they are mainly just another group politicians to pay and be lobbied. Something that has helped the country change from a third-world country into power house has now become a poison.

Although Obama has started a new age for American policies we are entering a another new age that he and congress will have very little to effective control has happens in the following years. The Government has been injecting Epinephrine into our economy for the last 7 years and he have just started to get off of our high. Lets just say that no matter who is president they won't be able to do a good enough job and history will judge them poorly.

 

[BBQ Platypus]

I voted for Obama, and I'm glad he won. That being said, when everybody comes down from the euphoric high of the acceptance speech (which I think was a very good one), we'll see that there's still a damned long way to go. As I said, I voted for him, but I'm nowhere NEAR as enchanted by him as some people seem to be. Obama is a great communicator of ideas - we'll see how he does as an actual doer now that he's in charge. There have been people without much experience who assumed the presidency (i.e. Lincoln and Truman) who ended up doing a good job. Others, however (i.e. Warren Harding) have done terribly.

Hopefully, he'll be a Ronald Reagan type "communicator" who can inspire people around them. I certainly hope he listens to his advisors, but not to the extent that he's just a damned puppet.

Will he live up to everything he's said he will do? He had fucking better, or else a lot of Americans will be VERY pissed.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD

So true, i checked his website and he is all about letting LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to own guns. On his website he also posted that he not only supports hunting be reconizes it as a very valuable asset to the economy. Also serously you dont need an AK or M16 for personal use, i mean you cant use it for self defense (you shoot someone chances are your gonna hit someone in the house next to you and kill them too) and they are useless for hunting, So Retoru i am drinking to your post *chugs whats left of my Sparks*

The biggest fault in your argument is that common citizens can't own AK47's or M16's or any assault rifle for that matter legally right now as all assault rifles are fully automatic and owning a fully automatic rifle is highly illegal. It results in immediate license revoking with no chance to get it back, a long prison sentence, and/or a huge fine.

 

[Seekster]

Only Hope I have is that he doesnt make things worse. Granted Biden will be funny, just like Billy Carter.

 

[Retoru]

Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD

So true, i checked his website and he is all about letting LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to own guns. On his website he also posted that he not only supports hunting be reconizes it as a very valuable asset to the economy. Also serously you dont need an AK or M16 for personal use, i mean you cant use it for self defense (you shoot someone chances are your gonna hit someone in the house next to you and kill them too) and they are useless for hunting, So Retoru i am drinking to your post *chugs whats left of my Sparks*

The biggest fault in your argument is that common citizens can't own AK47's or M16's or any assault rifle for that matter legally right now as all assault rifles are fully automatic and owning a fully automatic rifle is highly illegal. It results in immediate license revoking with no chance to get it back, a long prison sentence, and/or a huge fine.

First, just so you don't look like a pinhead...there's no such thing as "highly illegal", something is legal or it isn't. If something is not legal, it's illegal, there aren't varying degrees of illegality.

Next, assault weapons are current quite legal in this country. There was an assault weapons ban that was put in place by Clinton, when it came time to renew it Bush chose not to renew it despite the Senate and House both urging him to renew it. AK-47s and M-16s can be set into semi-auto and fully-auto modes, those that are legal have the fully-auto mode disabled. Not that it matters much, you can easily modify a semi-auto weapon into a fully-auto weapon by removing a few pins inside the firing chamber.

 

[Joeshie]

Guys, think about it. With the Obama win, America will finally have an intelligent leader at it's helm. I think that's something to be excited about for both Democrats and Republicans.

 

[742]

good for obama... now lets see if he lives up to the hype. i seriously thought the republicans were going to blatantly cheat their way through this one or decalare martial law during the election, i suppose a bit of my faith in humanity is restored, but theres a little thing thats bugging me: the good guy NEVER wins.
now its down to whether hes been hiding something or hes going to get shot. at least biden will be pretty good. not quite the inspirational speaking thing we need, but its something and im confident either of them will be better able to fix this mess than mccain, or some retarded snow lady whos known for murdering innocent animals and being tricked by canadian radio stations.

 

[Seekster]

Oh I do hope they pass the ban on gay-marriage in California, hopefully that will remind the courts that it is not their job to make legislation, course this is California we are talking about so I wont hold my breath.

Joeshie, Obama is a politician and therefore, like all politicians, cannot be considered to be truly intelligent.

 

[Shivari]

Guys, think about it. With the Obama win, America will finally have an intelligent leader at it's helm.

Well, we had one before January 20, 2001.

 

[Rankao]

Oh I do hope they pass the ban on gay-marriage in California, hopefully that will remind the courts that it is not their job to make legislation, course this is California we are talking about so I wont hold my breath.

Joeshie, Obama is a politician and therefore, like all politicians, cannot be considered to be truly intelligent.

I would have to agree with you somewhat although I do not see anything wrong homosexuals , But I feel our checks and balances have somewhat become twisted.

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

My problem with Obama is that he's a dreamer, kind of like JFK. He has all these wonderful ideas in his pretty little head, but he's going to be president. They don't usually deliver on their promises.

I'd rather have idealist as president than an "ah well, fuck it" president.

Also,

 

[Seekster]

Oh I do hope they pass the ban on gay-marriage in California, hopefully that will remind the courts that it is not their job to make legislation, course this is California we are talking about so I wont hold my breath.

Joeshie, Obama is a politician and therefore, like all politicians, cannot be considered to be truly intelligent.

I would have to agree with you somewhat although I do not see anything wrong homosexuals , But I feel our checks and balances have somewhat become twisted.

I dont have any problems with homosexuals just homosexuality. I also have no problem with homosexuals getting married, I mean if a gay guy wants to marry a lesbian I am perfectly ok with that. I just have a problem with two guys want to pretend that they are married when it is physically impossible for them to consecrate that union. Its called Biology.

 

[The Overmatt]

From Canada to the US, good job guys.

History was made and the right guy was chosen. I'm proud to share a border with you all.

 

[Seekster]

My problem with Obama is that he's a dreamer, kind of like JFK. He has all these wonderful ideas in his pretty little head, but he's going to be president. They don't usually deliver on their promises.

Obama is more like Jimmy Carter than JFK, ah well hopefully it will keep him out of Dallas where I live.