It very likely will be, since it's harking back to games with a very mouse-driven interface. Still, it's also likely that the system reqs will be very, very low.JasonKaotic said:
Obsidian's doing a Kickstarter, what are your thoughts?
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no it will be @ years[sub]intentional that time[/sub]. Under the promotions it said that it was estimated to arrive a April 14 2014.DoPo said:It's not that much. More like ! and a half years.The_Lost_King said:Well, before the postponing, that is.
Oh, and the project has $469,968 at the time of writing. Not bad, I'd say. And by the time I finished this message, it received another 2k (I also updated the sum before I hit "Post").
I guess I'm in the minority that thinks Kickstarter is an ABOMINATION and the worst thing to come out of the internet in a long time.
Digital panhandling, or more accurately a one step pyramid scheme where the person with the "big project" simply allows any idiot to give them money with zero insurance that anything productive will even be done with it is pretty exciting.
Bypassing the system currently in place that makes this, or any other industry work properly and keeps people employed is also exciting. Why bother having an industry at all when anyone can just say "I can maek gewd gam, I can haz monez?" and they take all they can get and vanish.
Obsidian is of course going to make an actual product, and I'm sure it will be perfect. I'm sure it will totally be bug free and run smoothly even without a well funded QA department like it supposedly had with New Vegas. And with all that free money flowing in I'm sure they will totally get right on all the obligatory patches and other long term support they will need, when they have no deadline and no producer to make happy.
That and I'm sure that their idea must be excellent, given that they couldn't get anyone other than random strangers to green light it. New Vegas is my only experience with Obsidian, and my copy still doesn't work right, so forgive my lack of context as to why I should as a fan of RPGs give a rats ass about their next project.
Digital panhandling, or more accurately a one step pyramid scheme where the person with the "big project" simply allows any idiot to give them money with zero insurance that anything productive will even be done with it is pretty exciting.
Bypassing the system currently in place that makes this, or any other industry work properly and keeps people employed is also exciting. Why bother having an industry at all when anyone can just say "I can maek gewd gam, I can haz monez?" and they take all they can get and vanish.
Obsidian is of course going to make an actual product, and I'm sure it will be perfect. I'm sure it will totally be bug free and run smoothly even without a well funded QA department like it supposedly had with New Vegas. And with all that free money flowing in I'm sure they will totally get right on all the obligatory patches and other long term support they will need, when they have no deadline and no producer to make happy.
That and I'm sure that their idea must be excellent, given that they couldn't get anyone other than random strangers to green light it. New Vegas is my only experience with Obsidian, and my copy still doesn't work right, so forgive my lack of context as to why I should as a fan of RPGs give a rats ass about their next project.
That's the beauty of it. If you have a reason to suspect that the project won't go through, you don't give them your money. And it is going to happen. But it also allows people to get their ideas off of the ground in ways that they never could before. I helped fund a CD a few months ago. And now I have a new CD to listen to by a band I love. But they're an a capella band that sings about fairies and pirates and death. What record label would have ever signed them? With Kickstarter, they can fund their own CDs, and have done so.KoudelkaMorgan said:
I honestly hope this works for them. I hope Obsidian makes a good, mostly bug-free game that people will love for years and years. All my experiences with them have been fairly negative, mostly the mess that was KotOR II. I really hope that this game comes out and is so good that I have to change my mind. I don't think it will, but I'd like it to.
"Look at the most recent one with those poor guys at Obsidian. They did Fallout: New Vegas, the ship date got moved up and, who does the QA on a project? The publisher is always in charge of QA. When a project goes out buggy, it?s not the developer. The developer never says, ?I refuse to fix the bug,? or, ?I don?t know how.? They never do that. It?s the publisher that does the QA, so if a product goes out buggy, it?s not the developer?s fault. So, (Fallout: New Vegas) goes out buggy and they didn?t do the QA, their ship date got moved up and they missed their metacritic rating by one point. Did they get a bonus? No. Do you think that?s fair? I tried to get some of my publisher friends, who I used to make a lot of money for, to donate. Do you think they donated? No. Their employees did."KoudelkaMorgan said:
-Brian Fargo, source
I'll also repeat what I said above in response to another poster in that I think it's fantastic that these developers have an alternative means of funding personal projects and niche market titles they really want to do. Indeed I hope more developers do it even, I want to see what happens when an experienced and equipped studio is given free reign on a project they want to do as opposed to the one they have to do because it's what the publishers will allow.
Yes, and April 2014 is one year and 7 months in the future. Way closer to 1 and a half than 2. Well, it will get delayed, though - I won't even pretend I was the first to call it.The_Lost_King said:no it will be @ years[sub]intentional that time[/sub]. Under the promotions it said that it was estimated to arrive a April 14 2014.DoPo said:It's not that much. More like ! and a half years.The_Lost_King said:
Oh, and the project has $469,968 at the time of writing. Not bad, I'd say. And by the time I finished this message, it received another 2k (I also updated the sum before I hit "Post").
And this happens, oh so often. Yeah, I mean, there are only the past successful kickstarters to show us that not everything is doom and gloom and not everybody runs off to the Bahamas, presumably giggling and presumably carrying large sacks of money with dollar signs painted on them.KoudelkaMorgan said:
Oh, and I'd actually pay (well, I paid, technically) to see Obsidian or another large-ish and established studio that raises some money from kickstarter and then all the devs there take their hats and leave. "Why do we need this "long term planning" stuff, and having people "not hate us", if we can just secure ourselves for a couple of years?" I'd love to actually see that. I'd laugh so hard.
Oh and
I'd love you to explain to me how the system is currently perfect and cannot be improved upon, since that seems to be an assumption you are making. I'll just dispell by pointing out Bloodlines.KoudelkaMorgan said:
Obsidian's one of the few companies that can take an existing working game engine and have it come out buggier than it came in.Anthraxus said:
I mean KOTOR2 could be a great game but it's hard to tell because it's constantly crashing on me. Sorry, some shit's just not acceptable when you pay good money for a game.
Love the idea (Kickstarter>publishers), but can't really bring myself to throw in my (financial) support (if I had a pile of disposable cash, I wouldn't think about it, but sadly it's not the case) without some, any idea of what the game will be like. It's made by Obsidian? Cool, I like those guys and I trust them to make a good game, I loved even their buggy titles, but I need something more to go on than "made by Obsidian".
Umm...what?ravenshrike said:Except publisher interference can EASILY add several months to a project. Or eat up several months of time if there is a hard deadline already in place.DoPo said:Yes, and April 2014 is one year and 7 months in the future. Way closer to 1 and a half than 2. Well, it will get delayed, though - I won't even pretend I was the first to call it.The_Lost_King said:no it will be @ years[sub]intentional that time[/sub]. Under the promotions it said that it was estimated to arrive a April 14 2014.DoPo said:It's not that much. More like ! and a half years.The_Lost_King said:
Oh, and the project has $469,968 at the time of writing. Not bad, I'd say. And by the time I finished this message, it received another 2k (I also updated the sum before I hit "Post").
We'll finally be back to the glory days of isometric topdown view. And I'll like that, to be honest.Anthraxus said:
