Official Swine 'Flu (H1N1) Thread.
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Don't be. All the ones who were killed were people who didn't have ready access to decent healthcare, and arrived at hospitals too late or not at all. If you get flu-like symptoms, just go to your doctor, or local hospital, and ask if you can get tested. If you test positive, they'll treat you. Honestly though, there's nothing to be worried about. SARS was more deadly than this.Istickell said:
If one of those would have to be one of your friends for you to care about 36 000 000 deaths, then Dunbar's Number is better proven than I though.[/quote]Taneer said:
Well, 150 Mexicans died, did you stay up at night crying for them whilst in the grip of mourning? Having everything remind you of them?
Of course not, you didn't know them, why would you care?
Sure, it's a bad thing, but whatever, I'm not crying myself to sleep about it as I would for one of my personal friends.
Viruses reproduce inside human cells. For example, HIV reproduces inside white blood cells. In order to effectively destroy the virus, you need to sacrifice some body cells (Hence sore throats etc..). The problem comes when these cells are inside a vital organ, and when there are a lot of them. Your immune system is so caught up trying to kill the virus it wipes out big chunks of organs, which is never good.tmasterslayer said:
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To all those people saying that so many more people die from Regular 'flu every year than this had killed so far, think again.
Those who fall prey to regular 'flu are the old and the weak. Regular 'flu has also been around much longer, emphasised by the fact that it's seasonal. It has a far larger number of people infected at a time, and most survive.
The thing with this strain is that it's especially bad for those with strong immune systems. Meaning the Young and healthy; they make up the majority of our working population.
That made me laugh so hard..both the bad pun, and the fact that someone got irritated thinking he meant ointment (At least that's what I assume he thought, I couldn't imagine what else he'd think the word was) I am actually on both sides of this argument, as I usually am with most arguments. There IS a cause for alarm, swine flu is not something to scoff at, and as pointed out, it is particularly nasty to those with strong immune systems. It is not your average run of the mill flu.
I also think the lovely American news is doing a great job of fear mongering, and a terrible job of actually reporting the NEWS, something you'd figure they would be rather adept at by now. It's bad, but it's not pandemic worthy, and if we all remain calm, we're going to be fine. We aren't talking black plague here, the disease doesn't just drop you dead, with the medical technology we have today if you catch swine flu you're more than likely going to be just fine. There has only been one death in the united states from the Disease, and it was a small child, who could have easily died from the normal flu.
The problem with this isn't its sheer killing power, it's the fact that as a flu virus it has the ability to spread quickly if we are not careful. 10 people with the flu isn't bad at all, but if half our population has the flu, that's a much larger, and potentially lethal problem. Not to mention that in America, we are going through a recession, with any significant part of our work force sick for even so much as a week, our economy would tank.
This frightening people has to stop though, and if anyone is spreading this fear, even as a joke, it's not helpful. There are people really freaking out about all of this, like the person who posted here, if we remain calm, we will be okay, of that I have no doubt. Even if things get terrible, we have the means to survive, but running around like beheaded chickens will not make that process any easier.
I also think the lovely American news is doing a great job of fear mongering, and a terrible job of actually reporting the NEWS, something you'd figure they would be rather adept at by now. It's bad, but it's not pandemic worthy, and if we all remain calm, we're going to be fine. We aren't talking black plague here, the disease doesn't just drop you dead, with the medical technology we have today if you catch swine flu you're more than likely going to be just fine. There has only been one death in the united states from the Disease, and it was a small child, who could have easily died from the normal flu.
The problem with this isn't its sheer killing power, it's the fact that as a flu virus it has the ability to spread quickly if we are not careful. 10 people with the flu isn't bad at all, but if half our population has the flu, that's a much larger, and potentially lethal problem. Not to mention that in America, we are going through a recession, with any significant part of our work force sick for even so much as a week, our economy would tank.
This frightening people has to stop though, and if anyone is spreading this fear, even as a joke, it's not helpful. There are people really freaking out about all of this, like the person who posted here, if we remain calm, we will be okay, of that I have no doubt. Even if things get terrible, we have the means to survive, but running around like beheaded chickens will not make that process any easier.
Haha, they're going to shut down every school in the city (like 60) here. I was just chillin' when the school district people called.
EDIT: The thing with this strain is that it's especially bad for those with strong immune systems. Meaning the Young and healthy; I think I might be slightly worried about becoming a little bit scared now.
EDIT: The thing with this strain is that it's especially bad for those with strong immune systems. Meaning the Young and healthy; I think I might be slightly worried about becoming a little bit scared now.
The H1N1 flu is a combination of Avian and Swine flu. It's Flying Pig flu!
Sorry.
I don't honestly know why everyone is getting that worked up over it. The same thing happened with Avian Flu. And we all forgot about that after a few months. I don't think this is going to destroy the human race or whatever rumour is going on. Lets just focus on a "cure".
Sorry.
I don't honestly know why everyone is getting that worked up over it. The same thing happened with Avian Flu. And we all forgot about that after a few months. I don't think this is going to destroy the human race or whatever rumour is going on. Lets just focus on a "cure".
Wiki: Meaning of Pandemic Status [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic]
i know this is being picky but...well cancer technically isn't a disease, it is a condition caused by uncontrolled growth (usually occurring after injury) in ones own body, so technically not a disease
The swine flu is just a way of scaring the masses into submission, really, think about this:
The swine flu has made headlines EVERYWHERE and is the biggest worldwide topic as of right now:
It has killed ~100 people.
The annual influensa season doesnt get a single headline nor is anyone scared of it:
It kills 100.000-250.000 people EVERY year.
So lets do the math:
The influensa season kills 1000-2500x more people than the Swine flu, and even if Swine flu spreads, there is a vaccine for it, meaning it wont even reach those numbers set by the influensa season.
So you are ~2500x unsafer EVERY year without even realising it, the only reason why people are scared of the Swine flu is because of the mainstream media.
The swine flu has made headlines EVERYWHERE and is the biggest worldwide topic as of right now:
It has killed ~100 people.
The annual influensa season doesnt get a single headline nor is anyone scared of it:
It kills 100.000-250.000 people EVERY year.
So lets do the math:
The influensa season kills 1000-2500x more people than the Swine flu, and even if Swine flu spreads, there is a vaccine for it, meaning it wont even reach those numbers set by the influensa season.
So you are ~2500x unsafer EVERY year without even realising it, the only reason why people are scared of the Swine flu is because of the mainstream media.
Well, 150 Mexicans died, did you stay up at night crying for them whilst in the grip of mourning? Having everything remind you of them?Danny Ocean said:
Of course not, you didn't know them, why would you care?
Sure, it's a bad thing, but whatever, I'm not crying myself to sleep about it as I would for one of my personal friends.[/quote]
I wouldn't be crying myself to sleep over 150 deaths either, nor would I were it more.
My point more rested in that, the person made it sound like the whole situation was irrelevent until someone you know dies.
Seems like a self-centered cause.
I say that this is all just a ploy to make us stop watching the moon. Im still watching you moon.
i already have one, an american military one from the 90'smatnatz said:Awwwh yeah. You sir, are correct sir.speedcoreXdandy said:I see swine flu merely as an opportunity to get one of these babies and live out all my cyberpunk dreams:
DAMN I'm going to look badass.
Okay, Danny....Gotta point this out.Danny Ocean said:
While some media outlets have speculated that this virus could cause a cytokine storm [the thing that would make the virus more dangerous to people with healthy immune systems] in patients, there is presently no evidence for this hypothesis, with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A H1N1 virus infection."
Another statement: "The CDC's flu chief Nancy Cox said that genetic analysis of the swine flu strain did not reveal the markers for virulence found in the 1918 flu virus [The one that did have a nasty habit of causing secondary pneumonia in people infected with it because of its tendency to create cytokine storms in the lungs...Also the one that seemingly everyone thought this new flu was a reincarnation of]."
Taken from a New York Times article and San Diego science journal on this flu.
Again, we still don't know enough about this thing yet.
Here's another interesting tidbit I thought I might add: from the looks of things, there's no genetic difference between this new flu in the US and the new flu in Mexico.
EDIT: Also, most people who get infected with this new flu don't even need hospitalization. They survive and get all better on their own. Imagine that.