Oh dear god (graphic animal cruelty)

[Lord Kloo]

I technically disagree with fur, meat and taking other animal products but I accept that there's always going to be demand unless the daily mail proves (meat as well as everything else) gives you cancer..

However I totally disagree with how animals are culled.. Its disgusting that any pain should be involved in the process, this example taken and others such as the fact that boar apparently has its tusks removed before being killed which is totally unnecessary.. If posion is expensive, use a gun, and if bullets cost too much or ruin the food then get one of those cattle prods, put the animal unconscious and then take a knife to its throat..

Pain is unnecessary in death.. my point for the day

 

[Liam Barden]

We used to sell the fur and eat the meat so its not like it was something stupid like sport hunting.

Im afraid that seems to be a silly argument from were im sitting. I would imagine that whatever you do with the body AFTER killing it, has no impact on the ordeal the animal goes through. And maybe im just misinformed, but as far as i can see the only reason theres an ethical problem with hunting is because it causes animal suffering. If youre not literally starving to death (in which case I have no problems with it) its still sport hunting, regardless of how you dispose of the body.

However I can certainly respect that you do your best to minimise (but dont act like you can totally eliminate) the suffering the animal goes through. Im sure youre really a very kind and responsible person, but I would urge you to take a second look at this practice you engage[d?] in.

I dont want you to think im going all militant veggie on you though

 

[Super Six One]

I amtold that i can be fairly heartless when it comes to the world and its troubles, but this is horrible. The thing is still alive for fuck sake!

Thanks for posting this, kinda opened my eyes a bit....maybe i hear my heart beating again.

 

[TimtheBigDaddy]

That's my idea for punishment for animal cruelty as well. Have the offender receive the same cruelty they showed to the animals, including the extremely horrid ones, like skinning alive. If anyone here feels bad for the people doing this to the poor animals, feel free to go cry a river, because no one would feel bad for these people unless they were absolute sadists. Sorry if anyone is offended by what I'm saying, but just to let you know I'm only 14.

 

[SlasherX]

I saw a guy catch his loose dog with a rope and he then beat it with a 2x4. This all happened in front of my house. I grabbed my Dad's .38. Calmly walk outside, pointed the gun at the guy and told him if he moved another muscle I would shoot him in the face. I told him to turn around slowly and leave. He walked away and went into his house. I got the dog brought him into my yard and called the cops. He got arrested for animal cruelty and I got a new dog. Now that story time is over. If I saw anyone doing what they did to that dog in that video I would shoot them. Not let them get away. I would shoot them and damn the consequences.

 

[Terminal Blue]

This shit makes Michael Vick look like Doctor fucking Dolittle.

While I agree the video is horrible, I disagree with this bit. Dogfighting is not just dogs having a little tussle, the animals will rip chunks out of each other.

It's particularly nasty nowadays, as dogs are no longer bred for aggression, so the aggression has to be beaten into them. By the time a dog is let in the ring it will have been tortured to the point of insanity over many months. There are no ex-fighting dogs. They can't be rescued or rehabilitated, they're too far gone and have to be put down.

And assuming the dog doesn't die in the fight or isn't just abandoned by its owner due to injuries, the same process repeats over and over again. The turnover is such that many dogfighting rings don't even bother to breed their own dogs, they just steal pets of the appropriate breeds, beat the sense out of them and fight them until they die.

Skinning an animal alive is at least quicker and less sadistic.

 

[Citizen Snips]

The method of killing the animals used in that video can be humane, but not in the way that they are doing it. That part is wrong. However, the rest is fine. Contrary to what the second highest rated comment says, the animals are not alive. What you are seeing is the result of the physiological process of drying - ie calcium floods into the nerve and stimulates it, resulting in muscle spasm. And comon, they don't kill them because they don't want blood on it? Whats going to bleed more, an animals that has no heartbeat, and so when the capillaries empty there will be no blood replacing it (they have valves) or an animals who's heart is beating and replacing the blood lost? Its not as if their going to hit an artey (if their doing it right) In fact, they shouldn't even hit any blood vessels if they are skinning the animals correctly

Thank God the first post on here with some sense. I skin 4-6 deer a year, and I can tell you there is no way that skinning them alive would produce better results. You're skinning above the muscle in between the animals fat and skin. This also isn't happening in the US either, and anyone who says otherwise would probably be able to pull up some obscure farm full of psychopaths but they are not the major suppliers of meat or hides.

Large animals are lead through a line and are put underneath a spike that is driven into the base of their brain with a primer cap shooting the pin down. Smaller animals are typically killed by electrocution. Then either one is hung and their throats are slit to drain the blood. It's the same with any animal!

I grew up on a farm, and I can tell you whenever we killed an animal it felt no pain. The cows are actually dead before they even drop, because of how effective a death spike is. If you are going to kill an animal for any part of it, then it is our responsibility to find a use for every part of that animal.

A cow's meat is eaten, its hide is used for leather, its bones are used in feed and fertilizer, its ligaments and coarse hair are used in glue products, and its organs are either eaten are sent to vet schools for research. The same can be said with any animal on a farm.

 

[Liam Barden]

How did that animal survive being skinned without bleeding to death within 5 seconds? This seems to defy all logic.

Multiple layers of skin I'd assume - a couple to grow the fur on and one beneath that. If you were wondering if this is fake, I really really don't think it is. I know it's hard to believe but some people just.... It's wrong.

Of course the idea of there being multiple layers of skin is kind of destroyed by various muscles being visible, most prominently on the face...

Not saying that this is fake, just unusual.

Also its completely retarded for anyone to do that. Even people who are complete monsters would realize its easier to skin an animal when its dead.

Im really not sure youre right about that. Wounds really dont bleed all that much unless you hit a major artery, which are usually not directly under the skin.
Also, killing an animal is messy and time consuming. If you have to do 10 of these an hour to earn enough money to live, then the extra effort of slitting their throat and waiting for them to bleed out, and then disposing of the blood (or some other method) is probably not worth the effort, when you can just bash em against the floor until they stop moving instead.

 

[Fearzone]

Ok I couldn't finish that one either. Thanks for the post.

You can gas animals before you skin them.

 

[Elburzito]

The authorities are starting a massive crackdown on animal cruelty here after they found a dog which was tied up, muzzled and shot in the head with a shotgun. It survived but died a few days later (it was even getting better at one point). About a week later three dogs were found in the sea, tied up and gagged like the other.

Things like this disgust me and make me lose so much faith in humanity :/. Maybe it's the abusers way of asserting his/her dominance over something because he/she is too cowardly or weak to do something that sick on something able to fight back.

 

[The Grim Ace]

As much as I like eating meat, raising anything to be killed is comparable to abuse. Then again, how livestock are raised is different than the fur trade. Might just be my opinion but fur seems pretty tacky anyways, but, there's a market and sadists happen to supply it.

Some livestock can be raised in a way that benefits both species. Humans get a supply of meat, animals live an easy life with available food and safety from predators and likely end up living longer and dying less painfully than they would in nature.

I think this would be a suitable balance between not eating meat and ignoring the issue. I have no idea if this is feasible though.


Also, it is not beneficial for the farmer to keep them in terrible conditions. Poor conditions = poor product. It should be in most farmers interest to try and give the animals the best conditions possible.

That would be a great solution if most farmers adopted it. When there was a ballot measure just within the past few years in my state trying to make that kind of farm possible. Companies around here fought that law tooth and nail, saying it would just needlessly raise prices and would kill California farms. The law passed, farms are still doing well, and the only reason why there was a price increase is every time an oil executive sneezes my cereal costs forty cents more.

 

[Satosuke]

And yet the idiots at the ALF and their ilk would rather call in death threats to chefs who serve foie gras and firebomb medical animal testing labs, because they're easier targets.

I say round up all those animal rights terrorists and sneak them into these farms in China where they might actually do some good for once in their pathetic lives.

 

[Saelune]

I only saw the first few seconds and that starting picture, then read the description. I don't want to feel sick. But yes, people are incredibly cruel to animals. And the fur industry needs to go, it is not essential like meat, and there are not the same ethical restrictions for it as for food livestock. And yes, people can be sick bastards. I have a strong sense of empathy and a less strong stomach, so I'm not gonna watch that.

What is almost as worrying is that the commenters think that all Chinese people endorse this, despite that fact that it most likely happens in their countries' as well. People are ignorant of the world, they do not treat animals properly and with respect, they are cruel and greedy, and they would condemn an entire nationality because of a few selfish and cruel individuals. This is the way of the world If I had the chance to rule the world for one day and implement some permanent changes and laws, treating both animals and other people with respect and understanding would be first on the list.

Well, would be best if we went all Native American and just used the whole animal. Dont just end fur and leather clothes. Just dont be wasteful. Why not give me some leather pants AND a good meal from the same cow? (I realize there are different cows for different stuff, but I doubt some of them cant be combined in uses)

 

[Brandon237]

And the fur industry needs to go, it is not essential like meat, and there are not the same ethical restrictions for it as for food livestock.

If meat was truly necessary as you say, all the vegetarians would be dead. Unfortunately, if youre going to eat meat you have to accept that you are contributing to the torture of animals in factory farms for your own convenience, rather than necessity (although i must concede that the average factory farm likely isnt this bad). Millions of people live without it, you can too.
Dont get me wrong, I do eat meat myself. However I at least accept that what im doing is indefensible and plan to stop very soon. I would urge you to perhaps reconsider your position too

The proteins necessary for good health are most easily accessible in meat, I know there are alternatives, in this country of mine they are hard to get hold of and frankly not worth it, especially considering that I do a high-strain martial art, meat is the best and most convenient source of these proteins, especially here in third-world-o-topia. And My parents only buy free-range meat that meets certain ethical standards, (my parents are vets, so yes, they actually do look this stuff up, and get news on it in the veterinary community).

My grandfather in law owns a farm with meat cattle, they are well looked after, and most would not be alive were it not for the fact that we eat them. The products we buy are high quality and from animals that were looked after well, they were born to be killed, admittedly: but they lived good, healthy, free and decently long lives. I do not condone factory farming, but free-range farming is the reason many of these species thrive today, and meat is the easiest way of getting all these essential nutrients. We are naturally omnivores, not herbivores. We are evolutionarily designed to take in animal meat.

I have a much stronger conscience towards animals and animal cruelty than almost anyone you will meet, I can guarantee you that, but I still see eating the meat of animals that have been given comfortable and good lives as acceptable, and for me the alternative would be too expensive, inconvenient and frankly not as tasty, we have eaten meat generation after generation, it is what our bodies are used to, and while I will not deny the existence of alternatives, I will say that they are impractical and you are doing more good campaigning for humane farming methods than you are not eating meat.

I am afraid that given the reasons above and liking meat too much, I will not change my eating habits, but if given a good opportunity, will happily lend a hand in helping to create a more humane and comfortable life for livestock.

 

[owen4evr]

-90 faith in humanity
This is just .... wrong I wouldn't mind so much if the animals were put down gently and painlessly but instead there treated like cardboard, worse even.

 

[bombadilillo]

I saw a guy catch his loose dog with a rope and he then beat it with a 2x4. This all happened in front of my house. I grabbed my Dad's .38. Calmly walk outside, pointed the gun at the guy and told him if he moved another muscle I would shoot him in the face. I told him to turn around slowly and leave. He walked away and went into his house. I got the dog brought him into my yard and called the cops. He got arrested for animal cruelty and I got a new dog. Now that story time is over. If I saw anyone doing what they did to that dog in that video I would shoot them. Not let them get away. I would shoot them and damn the consequences.

Nice, good old compassion. I call bullshit on your story. Assault with a deadly weapon is often overlooked by cops.

 

[Citizen Snips]

We used to sell the fur and eat the meat so its not like it was something stupid like sport hunting.

Im afraid that seems to be a silly argument from were im sitting. I would imagine that whatever you do with the body AFTER killing it, has no impact on the ordeal the animal goes through. And maybe im just misinformed, but as far as i can see the only reason theres an ethical problem with hunting is because it causes animal suffering. If youre not literally starving to death (in which case I have no problems with it) its still sport hunting, regardless of how you dispose of the body.

However I can certainly respect that you do your best to minimise (but dont act like you can totally eliminate) the suffering the animal goes through. Im sure youre really a very kind and responsible person, but I would urge you to take a second look at this practice you engage[d?] in.

I dont want you to think im going all militant veggie on you though

You are misinformed. An animal killed with a well executed shot (which is part of the process of sport hunting) is often dead before it hits the ground. In fact my grandfather believed in this so greatly that he has never taken a shot that he knew for a fact would not be a kill shot, and he has certainly instilled this in me.

Now I'm not about to say that animals aren't wounded and must be tracked, but that is not the purpose of the hunt. Every hunter wants and strives for the perfectly executed kill, but even if they miss hunters do try to end the animals suffering as quickly as possible.

Also don't forget that hunting is also a means of conservation. If humans didn't hunt deer in certain areas, then they would overpopulate and die a slow death of starvation. The same can be said for boars, caribou, elk, moose, and fish. We have limits on what we can shoot which the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries sets every year depending on herd migration and estimated population.

 

[bombadilillo]

Cant they get better method to kill them faster? I got no problem with them killing them, just...they dont seem to be too good at it.

 

[Brandon237]

I only saw the first few seconds and that starting picture, then read the description. I don't want to feel sick. But yes, people are incredibly cruel to animals. And the fur industry needs to go, it is not essential like meat, and there are not the same ethical restrictions for it as for food livestock. And yes, people can be sick bastards. I have a strong sense of empathy and a less strong stomach, so I'm not gonna watch that.

What is almost as worrying is that the commenters think that all Chinese people endorse this, despite that fact that it most likely happens in their countries' as well. People are ignorant of the world, they do not treat animals properly and with respect, they are cruel and greedy, and they would condemn an entire nationality because of a few selfish and cruel individuals. This is the way of the world If I had the chance to rule the world for one day and implement some permanent changes and laws, treating both animals and other people with respect and understanding would be first on the list.

Well, would be best if we went all Native American and just used the whole animal. Dont just end fur and leather clothes. Just dont be wasteful. Why not give me some leather pants AND a good meal from the same cow? (I realize there are different cows for different stuff, but I doubt some of them cant be combined in uses)

Only if the farming methods are humane, and the animals are given decently comfortable lives, but then yes, use the whole animal, because yes, with the chemical compounds and manufacturing processes we have today you could probably turn old steak into semi-decent leather shoes. But ultimately for me so long as A: The treatment on the animals is not cruel and B: there is not wasting, then I am fine, but seeing that kind of madness sickens me.

 

[bombadilillo]

Karl Pilkington disagrees, he would rather be a rubbish chicken hating life, then have a good life and get the ax.