Oh god no... Indiana Jones 5 a possibility

[Darth Sea Bass]

Dude, Indiana Jones 4 (and the Star Wars prequels, while I'm at it) were not that bad. Sure they weren't as good as the originals, but I don't see any reason to outright demonize them. And you have to admit, Crystal Skull was better than Temple of Doom

True.

But i think your missing the thing that will really kill it i give you...

Spoiler

 

[cleverlymadeup]

you still look at the original ones as a child and put it on a pedestal. maybe you should actually watch the movies as an adult and see it thru the eyes of an adult. you wanted the new Indy movie and probly Star Wars, to bring back your childhood, which it can't and will never do. so grow the hell up and don't look at it like a child, look at it like an adult.

Why is it that when someone still likes something from their childhood, the item in question is seen as 'childish' and therefore can not be good since a person is now an 'adult'?
You can still enjoy an old movie, looking at it with the eyes of an adult, and not be blinded by nostalgia. In fact, the whole 'nostalgia' trip is a weak reason to dislike something or label something as bad or childish.
Instead of looking at it like an adult, why don't you look at it as a source of fun.

i didn't say it was childish, i said you look at it thru the eyes of a child, they might sound similar but they aren't.

on one hand you have something like the Teletubbies, being childish, and then you have something like the fair rides you used to go on as a kid, being seen thru the eyes of a child. the fair ride will seem like the most awesomest thing you've ever done but when you go back and try it as an adult, it's ruined because you are expecting it to be like when you were a kid.

it's a hard thing to really put into words but it's also known as the goggles of nostalgia

as for aliens no fitting in? sorry to say but they make the best fit for Indy based on the time frame of the movie. during the 30s and 40s of the original 3, there was the war with the Nazis and the Nazis liked the occult stuff. the 50s were all about the Russians and .... drum roll please ...... ALIENS.

So by this logic, Indy V will be about Vietnam and Hippies?

It could be worse than we thought...

I was okay with the 'ahem' inter-dimensional beings... Indy was never really about the context anyway. The problem with Indy IV was that it failed to take itself seriously enough. It's like Indy knew he was in an adventure film. Which is a real shame because this is even the case despite Harrison's best efforts.
For me, Indy films were about the banter between characters not so much the situations they were in. The Star Wars prequels suffer the same problem. Scenes like Han and Leia on the falcon ("My hands are dirty too"), just weren't there in the prequels. It's those kind of moments that can really make a film believeable. Indy IV fared better for the addition of Ray Winstone's character but failed to capitalise on this by failing to flesh out his character at all...

If they cut out the fridge, the marital argument, the monkey's and Mutt Williams and you are left with a good film, but not a great one. One can only hope the three of them (Lucas, Spielburg and Ford), will realise the character has ran it's course along a conventional timeline. I'm suddenly reminded of the scene in Pirates of the Carribean where Beckett states that the world is changing and getting smaller and that Sparrow must find his 'place' in the world or perish...

the thing about the 4th one that was different, that Lucas even said and surprisingly no one listened to him (that's a whole other discussion tho), was that this was a continuation of Indy and his mythos. so he would be older, he would have different things happen to him.

also Indy was not so much about the banter but about the situation that they were in. it was about him escaping danger after danger and going from the frying pan into the fire.

as for believable situations, compared to the fridge, go back and watch the first one and then really think about it. i mean didn't the Mythbusters test out the life raft parachute thing from Temple of Doom? why yes they did and Buster was found in pieces, many many pieces. there is also the bolder chase scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark

 

[JaredXE]

Why would a fifth movie be bad? Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a decent movie, and perfectly fitting with Indiana Jones.

 

[Nazulu]

Well the simple solution is here is, I dunno, don't watch it. Why does everyone have to get in a huff when someone "messes" with there precious franchise? It's not like you own it, the owner can do whatever he likes with it and it's not as if they are changing your memories of the old stuff, your good times in the past remain constant either way. What is with you people? It's only a sequel that you can easily ignore.

Because it's popular. I'm technically saying they hate it because it's popular but no one likes to be left out of the popular circle. The new things that come out are always the main discussion, you could ignore it but then your just left in the background bored. So instead of doing nothing you can always enjoy a discussion or argument or you can be happy just letting your opinion be heard.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Dude, Indiana Jones 4 (and the Star Wars prequels, while I'm at it) were not that bad. Sure they weren't as good as the originals, but I don't see any reason to outright demonize them. And you have to admit, Crystal Skull was better than Temple of Doom

True.

But i think your missing the thing that will really kill it i give you...

Spoiler

Okay, I'll give you that one.

 

[Raven's Nest]

the thing about the 4th one that was different, that Lucas even said and surprisingly no one listened to him (that's a whole other discussion tho), was that this was a continuation of Indy and his mythos. so he would be older, he would have different things happen to him.

also Indy was not so much about the banter but about the situation that they were in. it was about him escaping danger after danger and going from the frying pan into the fire.

as for believable situations, compared to the fridge, go back and watch the first one and then really think about it. i mean didn't the Mythbusters test out the life raft parachute thing from Temple of Doom? why yes they did and Buster was found in pieces, many many pieces. there is also the bolder chase scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark

Okay I meant to say for me, the banter was more important. The events and situations are what propels the story along but watching how the characters react to the situations was always more interesting to me. Particularly during the 'downtime' in the films. Take the scene where Indy is drinking after he thinks Marion was blown up in the back of the truck in Raiders. I really felt for him then. Far more than I cared about what he was feeling when he is fighting the big bald mechanic later on... The dialogue and emotion was more important than the set pieces or the action sequences that precede and superscede it. Indy IV missed a lot of those kind of scenes where we get to catch our breath and be sucked into the story some more... It was the handling of these 'downtime' scenes that spoiled the SW prequels for me too.

I'll grant you that Indy has had some rather silly escapes before but the fridge went too far. The idea of the test village was fine and the bomb itself is understandable. The "I Like Ike" gag was great. But why couldn't the fridge just stayed where it was? It was the whole flying three miles away part that spoils it. It would be utterly pulverised inside that fridge when it landed...

 

[sokka14]

so what?
the 4th was terrible, you can't ruin the series now, it's already been ruined.

it's like lion king 3 (assuming there WAS a lion king 3), nobody cares anymore and only kids who have no concept of taste will watch it anyway.

 

[Nazulu]

so what?
the 4th was terrible, you can't ruin the series now, it's already been ruined.

it's like lion king 3 (assuming there WAS a lion king 3), nobody cares anymore and only kids who have no concept of taste will watch it anyway.

Oh noes, a Sokka fan.

You got a good point of course but like I said earlier, if this one turns out to be actually good then we can call it the 4th instead and kill anyone who say's otherwise.

What do you think?

 

[The Austin]

Good. I thought number 4 wasn't bad.

 

[crypt-creature]

i didn't say it was childish, i said you look at it thru the eyes of a child, they might sound similar but they aren't.

on one hand you have something like the Teletubbies, being childish, and then you have something like the fair rides you used to go on as a kid, being seen thru the eyes of a child. the fair ride will seem like the most awesomest thing you've ever done but when you go back and try it as an adult, it's ruined because you are expecting it to be like when you were a kid.

it's a hard thing to really put into words but it's also known as the goggles of nostalgia.

Oh good lord, I read your first reply wrong. Completely and utterly... wrong.

I thought you were implying that the old Jones movies were bad and the other person only enjoys them now due to nostalgia.
I'm very sorry about that.

But anyway, what I'd meant by the 'childish' remark (even though you never used the word) had to do with the misreading of your other post.
I thought you were basically trying to say that old movies from a persons childhood are 'childish' (in an unimportant, bad sense of the word) and that they should be disregarded and not be enjoyed. You know, old=bad and if you still like them then you're automatically blinded by nostalgia.

The nostalgic goggles thing I get, I just read your post the wrong way and flew off in the wrong direction.
I'm a ditz, or a lot more exhausted than I realized. Sorry about that!

Though in some ways, I still disagree with your statement.
I'll use the most recent Star Wars films for example. I enjoy the original three films more than the newest batch. The movies feel different, I don't exactly mean as far as acting goes or the characters, but the film and how much CGI was used. It's too bright and shiny. I love the old gritty films used in the 80's, for some types of movies I think it would help the story more and personally think the newest batch of SW films might have benefited from such a treatment.
Although I do find a few character to be more annoying and bring down the film, that doesn't make me hate them over all. I do enjoy episodes II and III quite a bit (despise I), but still feel they are missing something and the over all brightness of the films really kills the mood for me. Time does change some things, maybe more than people actually realize.
In all, I still think the nostalgia complaint (going both ways) is being thrown around a lot and in many cases isn't needed.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1629378/story.jhtml

I can't take it anymore. Michael Bay [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.161340] was bad enough. But this is it. If this happens, Hollywood is going too far. They have to be stopped. If I want to watch any more characters who defined my childhood assassinated while my adult eyes watch in horror that is what Scooby Doo hentai is for.

Time for the revolution?

woah, whats the problem with a 5th film? i hope they make a 6th too

in the lost Ark we had [spoiler/] at the end of the film ghosts from a magic box, killing Nazi's[/spoiler]

in last crusade we had [spoiler/]invisible bridges and the actual cup of Mr Christ, aaaaand Indy's dad as a main character.[/spoiler]

how is an [spoiler/]alien skull and Indys son as a main character[/spoiler] any less believable or enjoyable than that?

take off your rose tinted nostalgia glasses and enjoy the adventure

God I am so fucking sick of you people thinking it's always because of nostalgia! Not only that but he didn't even say anything about the aliens and crystal skull ruining the movie either.

The first 3 movies did those fantasy scene's really well, it was amazing and something that will stay with you for the rest of your life while the spaceship and aliens in the end of the 4th was not only hardly interesting, it also didn't make any bloody sense. You got what's her face bringing back all their belongings expecting a reward and they obliterate her or something.

If you think it's a good movie, fine, but don't start targeting people who don't like it and use that shitty excuse of an argument.

actually, the OP didn't give much of a reason for hating it.
you made some interesting points about the 4th film, but I can't really be bothered discussing it because God I am so fucking sick of you people with a shitty attitude.

Good then be a sissy. Also read it through like I had a happy tone, hypocrite.

You can target people but don't use that shit-hole argument. It's always used in these threads and it may work on people who just say "oh I did't see it because it had this and this in it" but otherwise it's just missing the point.

"be a sissy?" what is it about internet anonymity that makes people such as yourself feel it's appropriate to be so rude? i thought i'd escaped this level of immaturity when i swapped facebook groups for escapist.

Just tried re-reading yours with a happy tone, still cant see you being fucking sick of people like me as friendly.
at the end of the day, all i wanted was an enjoyable debate, not rantings from someone such as yourself who finds it far easier to be offensive towards me than friendly. at the end of the day, i've not been on the escapist long, this is this first time this topic has come up since i joined less than 2 months ago. also as i said the OP never went into the reasons they didnt like the 4th film.

 

[Hutchy_Bear]

Screw most of the people in this topic (in a argumental kind of way), I liked the 4th movie. I mean yes it had some stupid parts but overall it was a highly enjoyable movie that did nothing to discredit Indiana Jones' character. I'm personally looking forward to a 5th movie-hopefully the won't screw it up by doing it half arsed now the franchise has been rekindled.

 

[Julianking93]

Am I really the only one who's exited for it?

 

[BlumiereBleck]

i blame george lucas

 

[nicolexlikesxsheep]

It's official. A part of me has died.

 

[recoverytwo]

Old news gut great nun the less.

I cant wait to go with indie on a spectacular adventure.

 

[crypt-creature]

It also didn't make any bloody sense. You got what's her face bringing back all their belongings expecting a reward and they obliterate her or something.

She said she wanted to 'know it all', well she got to learn about death first hand since giving her every single piece of information basically overloaded her circuits.
It's a Wishmaster theme, 'Be careful what you wish for'. Especially since the character was evil.

 

[ultimateownage]

The movie was by no means a good movie but can someone please explain why everyone hates it so much. I hope they don't make another one though.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I don't mind. I know I'm in the minority, but I honestly enjoyed KotCS. While some of the stuff in it was stupid (the fridge, the vines, the ants, and the vines), I thought the movie itself was entertaining. It wasn't high art, but the movies have never been about that. They've always been about sitting down and shutting off your brains for a couple of hours.

Also, I didn't think Shia LaBeouf was that bad in this. *runs to the hills...runs for my liiiiiiife!*