AkumaFighter said:honestly no offence(im just gonna say this now so i dont mean to damage any of your ideals) when you say teenagers are confused about their sexuality and are just "exploring" the thing is it could be just me, but im in grade 11 as of now and i do know some bisexuals and personally by the way they act their not doing any "exploring" they just come up with stupid reasons and excusses...honestly i think the entire teenage hormone phase is over exaderaded like some bad joke gone wrong to explain why teenagers are acting out...and yes i do know of the scientific evience but seriosuly when has any other era of teenagers had this "freedom" it seems to me since the parents stop caring about their children and them having this relivtive freedom teenagers think they have all this control and i think that control and greed and not knowing what to do with it is the main factor here...sorry but i dont belive in this "exploring" your sexuality... i do know that if your confused and you dont completely know whether your homosexual or striaght you do not know off the bat but those who label themselves like that for the hell of it are just abusing this temperary freedom. well thats my rantEmilie Diabolica said:Bisexuality is not 'so called', it's just as real as being gay or lesbian.AkumaFighter said:I sort of have a question dealing with this thread...well not so much about it but with the topic...well im not homophobic and i would believe in gay rights, the only thing what dosnt make sence are these so called "bisexuals" personally i believe that if your straight or homosexual your born that way why is it that people thing that its a choice to be either in the context that these bisexuals can just pick. well im asking because all my life ive been told that homosexuality is not a persons choice and i still believe that so why is this? can anyone help me out with this?
The term does tend to get thrown around a bit too much, with people open to experimentation slapping the label 'bi' on themselves without a second thought. It tends to be dismissed as a phase for teenagers because it's normal for teens to experiment and figure out their sexuality during adolescence. Bisexuality is sometimes a middle-ground type of label for a kid who doesnt want to distinguish themselves as either side of the fence just yet.
Often, when someone is discovering their homosexuality, they feel they are bisexual before they discover their true orientation. During adolescence it's normal for a teenager to think they're bisexual as they sometimes develop feelings for the same gender. While some of these teens are genuinely homosexual and are in the middle of figuring out their orientation, many of the others are actually heterosexual but with the immense amount of hormones raging around their bodies their attractions tend to go a little awry.
I think bisexuality is so hated and dismissed these days because somehow it's cool or something for 14yo girls to say they're bisexual when in reality they're just exploring.
Bisexuality is just as real as being gay or straight, and a bisexual person has just as little choice in the matter. Gender preference tends to be more of a slider bar with gay and straight as the extremes, which makes the word 'bisexual' more of a blanket term covering everything in between gay and straight.
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You just made my night. I mean,a lot of people have pointed it out but you sir, just fucking won.(if you don't mind i would like to start using that too, since this exact spelling mistake happens all the time...)Ganthrinor said:Hmm....
*fucking epic snip*Oh my god... You'r THAT stupid?
My work here is done.
Personally, I've explored my sexuality. Because I'm so androgynous I kept thinking I might be gay. I mean, when i seena hot guy I know he's hot and I think "he's pretty good looking". So i "explored to see if i was actually gay or just by. It's simple really, i tried dating a friend for a while and it didn't work out. I just wasn't physically attracted to men. I just wasn't sure till i tried.AkumaFighter said:honestly no offence(im just gonna say this now so i dont mean to damage any of your ideals) when you say teenagers are confused about their sexuality and are just "exploring" the thing is it could be just me, but im in grade 11 as of now and i do know some bisexuals and personally by the way they act their not doing any "exploring" they just come up with stupid reasons and excusses...honestly i think the entire teenage hormone phase is over exaderaded like some bad joke gone wrong to explain why teenagers are acting out...and yes i do know of the scientific evience but seriosuly when has any other era of teenagers had this "freedom" it seems to me since the parents stop caring about their children and them having this relivtive freedom teenagers think they have all this control and i think that control and greed and not knowing what to do with it is the main factor here...sorry but i dont belive in this "exploring" your sexuality... i do know that if your confused and you dont completely know whether your homosexual or striaght you do not know off the bat but those who label themselves like that for the hell of it are just abusing this temperary freedom. well thats my rantEmilie Diabolica said:Bisexuality is not 'so called', it's just as real as being gay or lesbian.AkumaFighter said:I sort of have a question dealing with this thread...well not so much about it but with the topic...well im not homophobic and i would believe in gay rights, the only thing what dosnt make sence are these so called "bisexuals" personally i believe that if your straight or homosexual your born that way why is it that people thing that its a choice to be either in the context that these bisexuals can just pick. well im asking because all my life ive been told that homosexuality is not a persons choice and i still believe that so why is this? can anyone help me out with this?
The term does tend to get thrown around a bit too much, with people open to experimentation slapping the label 'bi' on themselves without a second thought. It tends to be dismissed as a phase for teenagers because it's normal for teens to experiment and figure out their sexuality during adolescence. Bisexuality is sometimes a middle-ground type of label for a kid who doesnt want to distinguish themselves as either side of the fence just yet.
Often, when someone is discovering their homosexuality, they feel they are bisexual before they discover their true orientation. During adolescence it's normal for a teenager to think they're bisexual as they sometimes develop feelings for the same gender. While some of these teens are genuinely homosexual and are in the middle of figuring out their orientation, many of the others are actually heterosexual but with the immense amount of hormones raging around their bodies their attractions tend to go a little awry.
I think bisexuality is so hated and dismissed these days because somehow it's cool or something for 14yo girls to say they're bisexual when in reality they're just exploring.
Bisexuality is just as real as being gay or straight, and a bisexual person has just as little choice in the matter. Gender preference tends to be more of a slider bar with gay and straight as the extremes, which makes the word 'bisexual' more of a blanket term covering everything in between gay and straight.
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I just want to ask, how do you not know if your gay? I'm not making fun of you, I just honestly wounder.Nibbles said:I've got ammusing situations mostly cause I am gay. Canada just has the occasional retard.
One lunch-hour we were arguing about nature vs. nurture in relation to homosexuality. It stayed on topic for all of 5 seconds before one chick made it into choice vs. nature while the rest of us were trying to say it was both nature and nurture and this was related to someone's assignment. So her argument fails as it is totally obvious no one will willingly choose a hard life and she exclaims, "Gay people are stupid!" Three get seriously pissed off and two of us chucked food (both of us have gay relatives and I didn't know I was then).
My brilliant English and Theory of Knowledge teacher was talking to her regular Grade 12 class about homosexual rights around the world. One of my classmates heard two of the regular 12's talk about how they couldn't believe she actually cared about that.
More hilarity to ensue as there's a good few fundies in my ToK class and I have a presentation on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in Uganda due like tomorrow ^-^
Also, next person who mixes up any term such as drag queen, transvestite, transgender, pansexual, or bisexual by either using them wrong or just being an ignorant dick is gonna get a lecture.
No probsdanpascooch said:Oh, you did shed some light on it.Emilie Diabolica said:I think bisexuality is a LOT more common than homosexuality in the 13-20 age bracket, then a lot less common after people hit 20ish.. That's usually when people properly finish adolescence and have a better sense of identity and a clearer idea of their gender preference.danpascooch said:I don't mean to be rude, and you probably can't shed any light on this, but do you have any idea how common it is for a person to be bisexual compared to the amount of people who are homosexual?Emilie Diabolica said:I feel ya. I'm in a serious relationship with a guy at the moment, but i've still got really strong feelings for a girl i'm friends with (been infatuated with her since highschool, dammit. She's bi but has no feelings for me besides friendship D: ). Sometimes all i want is to be straight, so i can be content with my boyfriend, but gah! it's so damn hard...Kimjira19 said:Well. Some bisexuals, like myself, originally believe they are heterosexual. But then through some chain of events or maybe just coming to terms with their sexuality, they realize they have sexual desires for members of both sexes. I am only recently coming to terms with my feelings for another woman, after 19 years of life thinking I was just straight. my feelings are no choice, however, the woman I currently have these feelings for, while a lesbian, is not looking to get involved romantically with anyone right now, so I won't pursue her.
Furthermore, it is not easy, or fun to have such conflicting feelings. I also have very strong feelings for a guy I hang out with a lot. It is so painful/confusing sometimes for me. I wish I was just either straight or gay, none of this gray area stuff.![]()
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I have always wondered if homosexuality and bisexuality are about as common, or if bisexuality is much rarer.
*shrugs*
As i said in my big post before, i think bisexuality is so common in the teenage populous because it's used as a massive blanket term for people who are too confused to get off the fence and come out, people who are just experimenting but lack attraction to the same sex, and people who are genuinely attracted to both genders..
Well, thanks.
Sorry, all i gots is cake...tahrey said:Yay I win! Does I get cookie?Emilie Diabolica said:H O L Y...... F U C K.....
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You, sir, take the cake for the most monolithic, gigantic, humungous, outrageously HUGE wall'o'text i have seen in my entire life.
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While her response was not too bright, some people, both in the past and now, are so sexually repressed that they do not come to terms with their homosexuality until they have already married and had children. My friend's father is one such person. And my friend is also gay. So I would say yes it is at least partly genetic.x0ny said:A girl I used to work with said:
"Homosexuality isn't a choice, it's genetic."
To which I replied, "Surely they would've died out after the first generation."
Her response: "Well no, cuz they could've adopted."
Conclusion: don't argue with ignorance, it will only bring you down to its level.
So the homophobe didn't know what homophobic meant in other words. Ignorance? Or maybe it's because being a 'homophobic' doesn't actually mean you're homophobic?McCa said:Right hello. Yeah. I was in my English lesson today. It was pretty laid back and due to an earlier incident The topic of Racism and homophobia was brought up. The person sitting in front of me went? Homophobia? what's that. (it gets worse) I explained somewhat shocked he didn't know that. Then he preceded to insist it was "wrong" and should be a crime (homosexuality). Of course that bugged me (not gay) so I went to defend against this complete buffoon. My reward? The entire 30 person class of supposed intellectuals yelling me down because I support gay rights. I mean what? They were saying things like "Yeah well I don't want that up there" supposedly assuming every gay person is a rapist. And that it's a choice. A choice? I mean what?
So as for discussion. Can you share similar moments when you are over come by a wave of undefinable levels of stupidity by one of even a group of people?
I'm English and in a rather "normal" area
As an aside, my King James Bible doesn't refer to him as God. Always the LORD or some variant thereof.TotalRedninja13 said:-snip-
Wow... find me the page in the bible that refers to "him" being referred to as Jim... Or Steve. THEN tell me "his" name isn't God. I understand what you're saying about the word god meaning all seeing, all powerfull diety, but considering the bible calls "him" God then its sort of implied that its his name, therefore allowing for use of the capital letter "G" at the beggining of it. Its the same argument as people calling their daughter Hope... Just because I wouldn't use a capital "H" in the sentence "I hope the shop hasn't sold out of M&Ms" it doesn't mean that I wouldn't use a capital "H" at the start of her name.
The keep it where it is side. Apparently everyone else just wants to not have to hide drinking at parties. (I suppose I should have mentioned my position but, it actually wasn't relevant to the topic at hand).Serge A. Storms said:Hmmm...wonder which side you took.Twilight_guy said:Never try arguing over the drinking age with college students. We had a discussion over if the US drinking age should be lower to 18 from the current standard of 21. The entire class ganged up against me and proceed to ignore every input I gave as if I was a complete idiot. I suppose it wasn't a display of stupidity but it did frustrate me that not one person even tried to see my point or level with me.
Well your a troll. You have 36 posts. Your on a forum of very pro-rights people and you post that on a thread with a fair to do with homosexuality with no reasoning as to why.Thebearjew said:I think being gay is wrong.McCa said:Right hello. Yeah. I was in my English lesson today. It was pretty laid back and due to an earlier incident The topic of Racism and homophobia was brought up. The person sitting in front of me went? Homophobia? what's that. (it gets worse) I explained somewhat shocked he didn't know that. Then he preceded to insist it was "wrong" and should be a crime (homosexuality). Of course that bugged me (not gay) so I went to defend against this complete buffoon. My reward? The entire 30 person class of supposed intellectuals yelling me down because I support gay rights. I mean what? They were saying things like "Yeah well I don't want that up there" supposedly assuming every gay person is a rapist. And that it's a choice. A choice? I mean what?
So as for discussion. Can you share similar moments when you are over come by a wave of undefinable levels of stupidity by one of even a group of people?
I'm English and in a rather "normal" area
It's disgusting I think.Icecoldcynic said:That really does come up so often. Every guy seems to assume that if another guy is gay, he's going to automatically want to have sex with or rape him. I'm pretty sure gay guys have standards just the same as straight females do.McCa said:supposedly assuming every gay person is a rapist.
And even my title causes discussion. I am GOD.StevieWonderMk2 said:As an aside, my King James Bible doesn't refer to him as God. Always the LORD or some variant thereof.TotalRedninja13 said:-snip-
Wow... find me the page in the bible that refers to "him" being referred to as Jim... Or Steve. THEN tell me "his" name isn't God. I understand what you're saying about the word god meaning all seeing, all powerfull diety, but considering the bible calls "him" God then its sort of implied that its his name, therefore allowing for use of the capital letter "G" at the beggining of it. Its the same argument as people calling their daughter Hope... Just because I wouldn't use a capital "H" in the sentence "I hope the shop hasn't sold out of M&Ms" it doesn't mean that I wouldn't use a capital "H" at the start of her name.
But you're missing the point of the argument. "God" refers exclusively to Yahweh/Jehova, and "god" to simply any deity. So "Oh my god" is just as fine, if less specific, than "Oh my God".
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Please. JUST PLEASE LET ME BEST IT!Emilie Diabolica said:H O L Y...... F U C K.....tahrey said:OK....
[small]I work in IT support, so these moments are common. In a 16+ college, no less, so a lot of the moments are from senior staff who teach reasonably complex subjects and Should Know Better. The facepalm comes close to drawing blood when you've had too much coffee and therefore have an all too clear recognition that these people have managed to get out of bed, and travel across town to do their job, whilst also clean, clothed and fed without help of a carer, and will do the same in reverse in the evening, including operating a cooker and the telly...
But they still can't turn on a powerpoint projector with the equivalent of a stick, an ass-finding radar, and a large-print sheet entitled "how to find your own ass" attached to the relevant item by a bit of string. Or in the case of one lovely lady who never ceases to amaze, still-can't insert a DVD into the computer and play it without inexplicably switching the whole system over to the entirely seperate set-top-style DVD player and fruitlessly mashing buttons on its remote. What I want to know is how she made the disc (or any of her powerpoints) in the first place, as it wasn't a commercial one... Major hand-eye-brain communication disconnect somewhere, I'm in awe of how you can get things so wrong when the correct method is both a heck of a lot easier AND spelled out for you. Obviously missed her calling - should have gone into local government instead and found a happy niche putting traffic lights on roundabouts that should have been built as grade seperated junctions in the first place, if the previous postholder hadn't blown all the earthworks and concrete money on signalised gyratories.
(The "correct" method being either... turn on the dvd player and eject the tray, as you would one at home. insert disc and close tray, as you would with a normal one. turn the projector (ie the "tv") to dvd channel, and away you go. As you would. Simply in this case the "tv" is 80 inches across. OR, if you're already using the PC... eject dvd tray. insert disc and close it. wait 10 seconds. press "OK" when it asks if you want to play the disc. sit back and watch. What's so hard?! If that's beyond you for god's sake don't try using a microwave or crossing a road.)
Mind you working in frontline education does seem to take it out of people mentally, and it's easy to mock when you're working instead in the equivalent position of the guy who flies a Hercules on supply runs over friendly territory and occasionally patches up a blood-splattered assault rifle whilst at the base camp, which jammed when the panicked ex-owner did something dippy with the safety catch.
On the flipside of that, the OP's description is (sadly) just highschool kids being exactly that. It was pretty much that way when I was in a similar classroom 12-ish years ago. The thickest ones also tend to have the most confidence (as they have no concept of their own shortcomings, but plenty of that of other people's; it's similar for the real semi-savant brainboxes, but they tend to sacrifice the necessary charisma that is the thickie's saving grace and true power), and the loudest opinions, so they become the natural ringleaders, regardless of how accurate the stuff coming out of their mouth is. Everyone else except for one or two "er, what?" dissenters go along out of peer pressure - either the ringleader's mates, or wanting to be in that circle, or to just avoid being beaten up by them. They don't actually know or even care what the truth is or which is the "right" side.
Luckily most will grow out of it, or at least, without that critical condensation nucleii, will not feel confident enough to speak up and cause trouble, and can go on to be productive and even advanced members of society. The former ringleaders soon find adult life outstrips the abilities that served them well in the cosseted school environment, and descend instead into various positions where they can't do much harm, though sadly this isn't _always_ the case (and "not much" is far from being "no" harm, but I'm talking on a national level). Or they too can evolve, have a moment of "wow, i'm being a twat" and grow into more balanced individuals. I occasionally had it bad just for being a bit geeky and inconfident, an obvious target (no need to be gay... particularly in a boys school). But as the perps stopped being kids, many of them lost the taste for it, some actually became friends in a wierd way, and a couple even came out.
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I dunno man, i cut off about 3/4 of that post so it didnt take up a few metres of page..Tonimata said:Please. JUST PLEASE LET ME BEST IT!Emilie Diabolica said:H O L Y...... F U C K.....tahrey said:OK....
[small]I work in IT support, so these moments are common. In a 16+ college, no less, so a lot of the moments are from senior staff who teach reasonably complex subjects and Should Know Better. The facepalm comes close to drawing blood when you've had too much coffee and therefore have an all too clear recognition that these people have managed to get out of bed, and travel across town to do their job, whilst also clean, clothed and fed without help of a carer, and will do the same in reverse in the evening, including operating a cooker and the telly...
But they still can't turn on a powerpoint projector with the equivalent of a stick, an ass-finding radar, and a large-print sheet entitled "how to find your own ass" attached to the relevant item by a bit of string. Or in the case of one lovely lady who never ceases to amaze, still-can't insert a DVD into the computer and play it without inexplicably switching the whole system over to the entirely seperate set-top-style DVD player and fruitlessly mashing buttons on its remote. What I want to know is how she made the disc (or any of her powerpoints) in the first place, as it wasn't a commercial one... Major hand-eye-brain communication disconnect somewhere, I'm in awe of how you can get things so wrong when the correct method is both a heck of a lot easier AND spelled out for you. Obviously missed her calling - should have gone into local government instead and found a happy niche putting traffic lights on roundabouts that should have been built as grade seperated junctions in the first place, if the previous postholder hadn't blown all the earthworks and concrete money on signalised gyratories.
(The "correct" method being either... turn on the dvd player and eject the tray, as you would one at home. insert disc and close tray, as you would with a normal one. turn the projector (ie the "tv") to dvd channel, and away you go. As you would. Simply in this case the "tv" is 80 inches across. OR, if you're already using the PC... eject dvd tray. insert disc and close it. wait 10 seconds. press "OK" when it asks if you want to play the disc. sit back and watch. What's so hard?! If that's beyond you for god's sake don't try using a microwave or crossing a road.)
Mind you working in frontline education does seem to take it out of people mentally, and it's easy to mock when you're working instead in the equivalent position of the guy who flies a Hercules on supply runs over friendly territory and occasionally patches up a blood-splattered assault rifle whilst at the base camp, which jammed when the panicked ex-owner did something dippy with the safety catch.
On the flipside of that, the OP's description is (sadly) just highschool kids being exactly that. It was pretty much that way when I was in a similar classroom 12-ish years ago. The thickest ones also tend to have the most confidence (as they have no concept of their own shortcomings, but plenty of that of other people's; it's similar for the real semi-savant brainboxes, but they tend to sacrifice the necessary charisma that is the thickie's saving grace and true power), and the loudest opinions, so they become the natural ringleaders, regardless of how accurate the stuff coming out of their mouth is. Everyone else except for one or two "er, what?" dissenters go along out of peer pressure - either the ringleader's mates, or wanting to be in that circle, or to just avoid being beaten up by them. They don't actually know or even care what the truth is or which is the "right" side.
Luckily most will grow out of it, or at least, without that critical condensation nucleii, will not feel confident enough to speak up and cause trouble, and can go on to be productive and even advanced members of society. The former ringleaders soon find adult life outstrips the abilities that served them well in the cosseted school environment, and descend instead into various positions where they can't do much harm, though sadly this isn't _always_ the case (and "not much" is far from being "no" harm, but I'm talking on a national level). Or they too can evolve, have a moment of "wow, i'm being a twat" and grow into more balanced individuals. I occasionally had it bad just for being a bit geeky and inconfident, an obvious target (no need to be gay... particularly in a boys school). But as the perps stopped being kids, many of them lost the taste for it, some actually became friends in a wierd way, and a couple even came out.
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You, sir, take the cake for the most monolithic, gigantic, humungous, outrageously HUGE wall'o'text i have seen in my entire life.
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