As a person who hangs out with those people, I have no respect for you if you talk about them.
They're usually pretty cool guys.
They're usually pretty cool guys.
Ohhhh, you're one of *those* people..
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In all fairness it's not the age that really matters but the way you are. I know people in their fourties who act like they are 12 while on the flipside I know 15 year olds who are more mature then most other people I knowDisaster Button said:
I apologies though, I think I did kinda rage at you
You would like to think thatCorjha said:
EDIT: maybe the thread should be locked, I think it's causing some arguments...
Just a few
If I knew who you were I still don't think I'd care. There is a difference between judging somebody and discussing your opinion of said person in front of them while other people are laughing.funksobeefy said:
We don't get jocks in the UK so I sincerely doubt I would think that. Considering I spend half my free time in a gym I don't think I am in any place to criticise anyone for wearing athletic clothing either.
You proved my point even more. You assume because I have an interest in Goth culture that it's the reason for me feeling defensive. I got defensive because I spent half my time in college telling people like the OP to go fuck themselves for being pricks to other people in my year group.
I didn't say the guy was normal, you can't judge him that way until he fetches the axe.Daveman said:
It's called an opinion. Get used to it.Douk said:
There is no such thing as a subconscious. Not if you believe in real science that is.
I'll put it to you this way. Take my friend Daniel for instance, and then take this guy I know Bezze (Bet-sy, It's his last name but his first name's Tom, so we just call him by that). Daniel wears normal clothes, has normal hair and wears his uniform normally. Bezze has hair that looks like he jammed a fork in a power socket, wears his uniform like shit (Shirt out, top-button undone, no blazer, tie normally gone. It wouldn't be so bad but y'know how some rappers and such wear their pants low-rider style, he basically has that TO THE EXTREMES bearing off his bright yellow, space-invader boxers) and dresses in the wierdest clothes outside of school. Daniel is a great guy, has regular interests and hobbies and acts normally. Bezze treats everyone like dog-shit (But noone hangs out with him anyway), steals what isn't nailed down, carries knives, cigarette lighters etc, once bought condoms and started lighting them and the desk on fire in class and sexually assaults the teachers. I think it's fair to say that in terms of people, you can judge a book by its cover.
I'll generally agree with this.Xvito said:
For example, I can make the assumption that a hispanic person in my area over a certain age can both speak spanish and is probably catholic. Why is that? Because the overwhelming majority of them are first generation immigrants from a predominantly catholic nation. The question becomes is this prejudice or not, and at the end of the day making such an assumption cannot possibly count as prejudice unless you use this information to alter the way you treat the person.
As a second example, you'll find that there are groups of people who go to great lengths to provide visual cues to their membership in a certain group. The group I have the most experience with is the punk rock crowd. If I see an individual wearing large amounts of leather and dark clothing, often adorned with unnecessary bits of metal (and more often than not ragged with a variety of personal accents crudely affixed) and sporting a generally extreme hair style then I can make a number of judgements with fair accuracy. In order of their likelyhood of being true: The person listens to or at least pretends to listen to punk rock music. Such a person will generally desire negative attention and will respond loudly and crudely when the such an event inevitably occurs. Finally, such a person will generally subscribe to or claim to subscribe to a point of view heavily influenced by post-modernism and nihillism, even if they don't necessarily know that their espoused beliefs fall into this category. Again, the question becomes does making such a judgement make you prejudiced? The answer is, in fact a resounding no simply because the person has chosen to craft their outward appearance to send a message. If my assumptions are wrong, then what you have is a failure of communication, nothing more.
Judgements based on appearance are not, in spite of what you may believe, intrinsicly harmful nor can they be entirely avoided. If one chooses to treat people differently based solely on this outward appearance however, then you have a problem. One cannot help but categorize people based on looks - pattern recongnition is essentially how the brain seems to operate. You can however control how you choose to interact with people.
I'm nearly certain that at least ONE "real science" subscribes to the notion of varying levels of thought. If I'm not mistaken it's called psychology.Machines Are Us said:
I can hear people crying out now that psychology is bunk, and often I'd fall into that category. However, they do attempt to eliminate pockets of ignorance using testing methods that offer a degree of rigor. As a result, even if they don't have as many answers as we'd like, it still qualifies as a science.
Really, it's a matter of purity of science. The further removed from math you are (and psychology is quite far removed from math) the less certain your work becomes. Even if you like it science in it's most distilled form, mathematics, you find that there are still things people don't know (evidenced by the fact that people still make discoveries in the field). If you can't even establish a comprehensive and all-inclusive rule-set in the foundation of all science, I think you can at least cut another field a bit of slack for their vast spans of ignorance.
I highly doubt your guesses were right. Perhaps they were right to you but were they right to anyone else? While the people in class thinks he is weird he may think your entire class is weird for whispering. Everyone is weird in their own way. I find it weird someone would make a topic about this. I am weird myself. I listen to my MP3 player and ignore everyone except my friends and family.Disaster Button said:
The only way to actually make a judge of his character is to get to know him.
Frankly, anyone who says they don't judge someone on their appearance is a bit of a fool. We all do, it's instinct. Judge a threat before it can be one. At least you tried not to leave it at that. It's something.
See I keep trying that but for some reason my genitals end up resting in other peoples pockets. Luckily they are still attached to me at the time.Greyfox105 said:
But I don't think it is my fault...those pockets are always so warm.
Crass dry jokes aside I tend to not judge folks at all until they rant about how awesome of a singer Taylor Swift is or how the greatest modern literary feat has been Twilight. But I realize my opinions are just as opiniony as theirs...I disagree with the fury of a million dying suns but that's neither here nor there.
Unless we are talking extremes it is NEVER Nature or Nurture, it is a combination of both.scrambledeggs said:
Some extremely rare cases but of the 7 billion people on Earth I'd safely wager that only a few thousand are earnestly only effected by something like how people treat them. The rest are dealing with a concoction of issues that are because of their biology and surroundings.
Are you sure that feeling wasn't just a result of you assuming that he's a freak from the very beginning and that any form of confrontation with him would be odd?Disaster Button said:
Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is?
Is that what happened to star wars? If so I really don't like them...Housebroken Lunatic said:
Nah, in Star Wars they just had a prophecy fulfilled by unexpected means. They believed Anakin Skywalker would be the "chosen one" destine to "bring balance to the force". Which was true, he did try to bring balance to the force... By slaughtering every single jedi alive that is. It's just that all the eggheads in the jedi council didn't really expect him to bring tha balance in that manner.theultimateend said:
(by the way, I hate Jedi. It is one of the most cheesy character concepts ever invented)
That actually was a way cooler explanation of the events than anything Lucas has ever produced. It made me almost want to kind of accept them.Housebroken Lunatic said:
I guess I'm just bitter because I felt like they took a childhood favorite (Vader) and turned him into a whiny little *****. I had such an intense difficulty trying to connect Anakin to Vader. It was like watching someone bash a star shaped hole with a big square peg...each smash bashing out a little more of the star shape until its just this shattered hole of nothingness that any generic block could fit into.
Yeah, Anakin was a whiney little brat at first, who grew up to be a whiney little ***** But in my eyes he absolved himself by slaughtering the "younglings" at the Jedi academy.theultimateend said:
Now you might ask: "But why mister Lunatic, why would you consider it a good thing for a fallen Jedi to slaughter little children?"
Well, the fact that up to Revenge of the Sith, I was so sick and tired of the Jedi. It started pretty low key with the older movies an with Luke Skywalker. Sure he eventually got some nifty powers but he wasn't "action hero invincible" like pretty much every Jedi with a line in the neweer movies were. And don't get me started on those stupid swords they have (you can't stop LIGHT at a convenient length just in mid air to form a cutting blade!).
So basically, up to that point I was fed up with Jedi and their cheesyness, so Anakin going all evil-eyed and slaughering everyone at the Jedi academy just made me smile with glee (sort of how Caleb on my avatar smiles) rather than feel sorry for anyone of them, or considering Anakin to be a bad person. Being transformed into an evil space nazi was an improvement of him.
The dark side rules!
I thought they were made of plasma? Not that that makes it any more reasonable.Housebroken Lunatic said:
It's fairly normal to judge people on appearance. Everyone does it, except the blind. Yes, it isn't the correct thing to do, but that can be just being politically correct to the point of stupidity. You should only judge people on their physical characteristics that they can change. People who dress weird usually are weird, in some sense of the term. This is a generalisation, and generalisations are generally true.
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I never really considered the Jedi to be cheesy, they are basically hybrid monks/warriors. Not hugely original, but not that cheesy. One thing that first annoyed me wasHousebroken Lunatic said:
and the fact that armoured storm troopers get clobbered to death by ewoks wielding sticks and stones. That, and you could watch laser bolts move across the screen at a rather leisurely pace. Oh, and small little space craft with 50watt engines could go faster than huge star cruisers with humongous nuclear fusion plants inside them.
Then i realised Star Wars was not a sci-fi film. Science fiction films go out to imagine what the future will be like, and the problems that humanity could face in the future. I-Robot, for instance deals with the relationships between robots and humans, a common sci-fi theme. Alien is concerned with the problems of deep-space travel, and big nasty aliens that burst out of your chest. Star Wars does not examine these future problems that humanity could face in the future, it even distances itself from the sci-fi genre- "A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away" the only thing that is sci-fi about it is setting- really its a fantasy film.
Ohh God i'm hi-jacking the thread.
Judgment yes... well as some people have said, it is natural instinct that we judge people by appearance, and quite often, we make correct assumptions about people based on their appearance- but only in general. However, our early judgements should not affect how we interact with these people- until we really know who they are.