On the subject of Rap music.

[Mathurin]

I seriously dislike rap
Like what you want, really, but its the only genre of music I can really say I hate.

Why?
Damn good question, Im trying to give you a solid answer now.

1. Its not music
Its some loser faking it over either entirely generic sounds or someone elses music
Sure, you could say that freestyle is a skill, but its a skill like popping a peanut off your wrist into the air and into your mouth, nobody cares.

2. Its not singing, its speaking quickly
Nuff said

3. Encourages cocky punk behavior
That whole thug life BS is a huge joke to me, looks just like the vampire and werewolf faker twilight fans to me, just sad little fanboys, but worse because presumably the twilight fanboys put on their regular clothes and act normal now and then, the wannabe gangsters dont seem too.

But the very biggest reason is because of the hype
Its mostly the same reason I dont like apple, its not necessarily because of the shortcomings of the item itself, its that everybody jumps on the bandwagon and pretends its the greatest thing ever

1) You could say that creating a gut-wrenching guitar solo or the world's greatest riff is a skill, but no-one cares.http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.200760-On-the-subject-of-Rap-music?page=2#comment_form

Like fuck no-one cares. You don't care? Different story. It takes talent to be able to write intelligent, meaningful rap (and yes, before you say it, there is such a thing. In fact, the majority of the stuff that isn't Gangsta (gangsta, as a genre of rap, takes up about 15-20% of rap. It's a newer form of rap, only coming to the forefront in America in the early 1980's with Ice T, then later when the likes of NWA hit the big time. B-Boy and Floetry (spoken word with the emphasis on how the lyric sounds, the form of the line, instead of the content) are much more prevalent, although due to the MTV exposure, Gangsta seems to be everywhere.

Depends on what you call gut wrenching
If you mean the stroke some guitarists have and pretend its music, agreed, in fact thats pretty similar to the rap thing.

Actually playing an instrument is a skill people care about

I think I will have to take your word for the intelligent and meaningful rap thing, im sure some of it exists, just as I am sure that a room full of monkeys could write hamlet, but Im not interested in viewing all the crap and banana stained papers to find it.

2) Most commercial metal leans heavily on growling and screaming. That's not singing, nuff said.

mostly agreed, I stay away from that, but its easy because its a fringe thing.

3)Thug life = Gangsta (not to be confused with T.H.U.G L.I.F.E, the backronym for "The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everyone", a message spread by the late 2Pac, pointing out the vicious circle of parents hating each other, kids growing up with the same prejudices, passing them down again, until people hate each other "because we always have"). No other genre of rap promotes kids to act like gangsters. In fact, older gangsta rap doesn't even promote that. What promotes it is when kids see 50 Cent on TV driving a Ferrari and drinking champagne. To drag up an old gangsta-ism, "they just ain't 'real' no more". What they're rapping about and where they are now are two different things, and people forget that.

I would suggest that just because they have more money doesnt mean they arent still the same idiots they were in the beginning, as evidenced by the stupidly absurd displays of wealth.
They will probably wind up on a reality show in the future, the celebrity version of bagging groceries

No matter the origin of the gangsta crap, its the mainstream, the standard, and it sucks.

 

[LiquidGrape]

De La Soul can weave out of my stereo any day.

 

[TheLaofKazi]

Here's one of my favourites of the crossovers however, from the minds of one of the escapist badges, Mike Patton, voice of the Portal anger sphere and L4D's infected.
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I love just about everything I've heard Mike Patton put out. One of the best vocalists around in my opinion, and so versatile. He's fucking everywhere too. Once you listen to him a lot, you begin to recognize his voice, and you being to see him everywhere. I remember playing Left 4 Dead and I heard the zombies, and just thought "Wait... Is that Mike Patton?" And after a quick look on the internet, it turned out to be true. Same with I Am Legend as well.

 

[Xyphon]

*snip*

I myself love the rap genre. I've listened to it since I was a little kid (my sister got me into Eminem). I used to listen to mainstream, but I eventually grew out of that when I discovered the underground artists like Tech N9ne, Prozak, Krizz Kaliko and Boondox. Really, once you find the gems, the period of digging through the shit is worth it. Krizz Kaliko for example can not only rap, but he can sing very well.

Spoiler: Examples of Krizz Kaliko

 

[TheLaofKazi]

I seriously dislike rap
Like what you want, really, but its the only genre of music I can really say I hate.

Why?
Damn good question, Im trying to give you a solid answer now.

1. Its not music
Its some loser faking it over either entirely generic sounds or someone elses music
Sure, you could say that freestyle is a skill, but its a skill like popping a peanut off your wrist into the air and into your mouth, nobody cares.

Music is sound organized in time.

And your bias against hip hop is pretty ignorant. "Generic sounds" or "someone elses music," you obviously haven't taken the time to really get of taste of what the genre has to offer.

And sure, a large majority of hip hop uses samples and remixing, but that's not stealing someone else's music. It's taking it and manipulating it into something new and unique, which is really how all culture is built. It takes from the past and puts it into a new form, a new context, mixes it with new ideas. Remixing and sampling in electronic, hip hop and other types of music is basically the same thing as taking a popular guitar chord progression, and changing the style, the tempo, maybe the key, or maybe even adding in or changing the chords, using a different kind of guitar, using a different guitar effect, using it in a different context with other chord progressions and song structures. Guitarists do that all of the time, yet we don't say they are stealing people's music.

2. Its not singing, its speaking quickly
Nuff said

Rapping can involve speaking quickly, but that's not the point.

The point is the rhythm, flow, rhyme, and the lyrics. It is essential reciting poetry the way it's been done for a long, long time. A lot of poems have rhythmic structure and patterns built into them. Using these techniques makes listening to someone recite the poetry more exciting, compelling, and more involving. A good rapper, just like a good storyteller or poet, is good at captivating people with the tone, rhythmic and other qualities of his or her voice. The way we speak and communicate is very musical.

And you know what else isn't singing? This [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10O9kUCAv40].

3. Encourages cocky punk behavior
That whole thug life BS is a huge joke to me, looks just like the vampire and werewolf faker twilight fans to me, just sad little fanboys, but worse because presumably the twilight fanboys put on their regular clothes and act normal now and then, the wannabe gangsters dont seem too.

Of course some rap may, but that's not what all rap and hip hop is. And even with that, it really depends on the person listening. I listen to a lot of music of a variety of genres that are considered to glorify bad behavior, but I don't go around doing drugs, hurting people and disrespecting people.

Don't blame the genre, blame the assholes that are getting rich off of releasing crap.

But the very biggest reason is because of the hype
Its mostly the same reason I dont like apple, its not necessarily because of the shortcomings of the item itself, its that everybody jumps on the bandwagon and pretends its the greatest thing ever

I can understand where you are coming from here, over hyping things tends to turn me off of some stuff as well. For awhile I didn't watch certain movies, listen to certain music, ect. because everybody was talking about how profound and amazing it is, when personally, from what I saw of it, I felt it was really overrated. But in reality, that's letting other people control your tastes in media and art, and in a way, by ignoring something you could potentially like because of other people overrating it, you are letting them control your life.

No matter the origin of the gangsta crap, its the mainstream, the standard, and it sucks.

The mainstream is the standard? Maybe for you, but not for me. I listen to music, I don't care whether it's popular or extremely obscure, if I like it, I listen to it. And I felt that if more people did that, we wouldn't have so many mundane, over-marketed crap being so popular that we have today. There's this attitude among people that the stuff that is shoved down their face on the radio and on TV is the best out there, when it's not.

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

All i can say is Tech n9ne is the greatest ever.

My comment has already been made for me, so I'll say that you should pay attention to your local scene, chances are there is some quality talent there.

 

[Devi Darkside]

I think if anyone "hates" rap it's the redundancy of certain "artist"; usually with subject matter along with the beat (Not in plural for good reason.).

If you're like me you've gotten bored of the boring beat that repeats along with the same subject matter.

But at the same time every genre has similar issues, rap usually about money, hoes, and being "gangsta", Then there's country/emo/blues mostly about sob stories of why the singer/band life/lives suck (And usually it's their own fault.), metal about worshiping Satan and murder, and techno being about ecstasy.
But every genre has its good points still, but sometimes it's hard to find them when all we hear on the radio is the filth of a genre.

I don't understand it. The vast majority of gamers here play mainstream video games that are very homogeneous in subject matter (and I would say hip hop is far more heterogeneous in subject matter than video games are). Why the inconsistency?

Honestly, I wouldn't know.
Perhaps redundancy in music could be more irritating then the things done in video games. Who knows for sure?

 

[Low Key]

I think if anyone "hates" rap it's the redundancy of certain "artist"; usually with subject matter along with the beat (Not in plural for good reason.).

If you're like me you've gotten bored of the boring beat that repeats along with the same subject matter.

But at the same time every genre has similar issues, rap usually about money, hoes, and being "gangsta", Then there's country/emo/blues mostly about sob stories of why the singer/band life/lives suck (And usually it's their own fault.), metal about worshiping Satan and murder, and techno being about ecstasy.
But every genre has its good points still, but sometimes it's hard to find them when all we hear on the radio is the filth of a genre.

I don't understand it. The vast majority of gamers here play mainstream video games that are very homogeneous in subject matter (and I would say hip hop is far more heterogeneous in subject matter than video games are). Why the inconsistency?

Honestly, I wouldn't know.
Perhaps redundancy in music could be more irritating then the things done in video games. Who knows for sure?

People tolerate what suits them and whine about what doesn't. I think it has to do with the conditioning during adolescence or something to that effect.

 

[Devi Darkside]

I think if anyone "hates" rap it's the redundancy of certain "artist"; usually with subject matter along with the beat (Not in plural for good reason.).

If you're like me you've gotten bored of the boring beat that repeats along with the same subject matter.

But at the same time every genre has similar issues, rap usually about money, hoes, and being "gangsta", Then there's country/emo/blues mostly about sob stories of why the singer/band life/lives suck (And usually it's their own fault.), metal about worshiping Satan and murder, and techno being about ecstasy.
But every genre has its good points still, but sometimes it's hard to find them when all we hear on the radio is the filth of a genre.

I don't understand it. The vast majority of gamers here play mainstream video games that are very homogeneous in subject matter (and I would say hip hop is far more heterogeneous in subject matter than video games are). Why the inconsistency?

Honestly, I wouldn't know.
Perhaps redundancy in music could be more irritating then the things done in video games. Who knows for sure?

People tolerate what suits them and whine about what doesn't. I think it has to do with the conditioning during adolescence or something to that effect.

That sounds about right.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Rap, hip-hop, country, classical, rock, techno, jazz - it's all the same: 5% good, 95% shit.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I make it a point to avoid rap. Seeing as I was raised on stuff from the 50's through the 80's, it doesn't really appeal to me. Progressive rock and classic rock are more my speed.

 

[Rakkana]

Its better then most poetry.

You can't honestly say that! Have you heard most poetry? It may not be to your taste, but saying you don't like poetry if you haven't actually read that much is like saying you don't like rap because of rappers like Soulja Boy

I said 'most'. I like very few and have read a lot.