One-hit melees bother me in shooters
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See if I were in a combat situation (pft-haha) and a guy was at melee range, instead of fiddling around to get my knife I'd go one simple blast to the head.
Well, technically I'd hit him with the butt of my gun, and than either shoot him, or stab him.
Well, technically I'd hit him with the butt of my gun, and than either shoot him, or stab him.
In close quarters it is always more useful than the guns.Smilas said:
It's a simple fix:
When you are being shot, you lose the ability to knife. Problem solved, rage ended.
Good players use the most effective tactic for the situation, regardless of how much technical prowess is required for that tactic.MiracleOfSound said:
Which is why good players don't like the knife, as bad players can get easy kills on them using it.infinity_turtles said:
Since I've been known to rely solely on knife and throwing knife kills during whole matches, I reject your proposed changes to the melee system.
If a person is able to take a full running sprint towards you and kill you while you're firing at them, you need to aim better (unless you have a sniper rifle, then you're usually just boned). The only thing that makes knifing really effective is that you catch people off-guard and they're not used to shooting a moving target in such close proximity. They panic, and their accuracy goes down. Take the time to aim and you won't suffer any more of these deaths. Spray and pray only works if you're the one with the drop on them.
As far as your legal, realism argument, you mentioned that civilians survive a knife attack lots of times, so imagine trying to kill a trained soldier. To that I say that the opposite is also true. Just because someone was attacked with a knife does not mean said knife-wielder attempted to kill them. Their motivation could have been as varied as mutilation to a "to show you I'm serious about taking your wallet, I'm going to cut you". Yes, murder may have been the intent as well. Second, the knife-wielder in question (game-wise) is a trained soldier who is taught to use every weapon (including a field knife) to it's supreme efficiency. If you know where to hit, your knife is sharp/big enough (not necessarily Dundee-sized, but it can't be really short either), and you're strong enough to pierce through breastplates and soft spots in the skull(easier with sharper/better knifes) it's completely feasible to finish someone in one shot. There's a lot of x-factors to this, but I don't think it's into the realm of unrealistic.
Plus, it's a game. If I wanted realistic shooters, I'd join the armed forces.
If a person is able to take a full running sprint towards you and kill you while you're firing at them, you need to aim better (unless you have a sniper rifle, then you're usually just boned). The only thing that makes knifing really effective is that you catch people off-guard and they're not used to shooting a moving target in such close proximity. They panic, and their accuracy goes down. Take the time to aim and you won't suffer any more of these deaths. Spray and pray only works if you're the one with the drop on them.
As far as your legal, realism argument, you mentioned that civilians survive a knife attack lots of times, so imagine trying to kill a trained soldier. To that I say that the opposite is also true. Just because someone was attacked with a knife does not mean said knife-wielder attempted to kill them. Their motivation could have been as varied as mutilation to a "to show you I'm serious about taking your wallet, I'm going to cut you". Yes, murder may have been the intent as well. Second, the knife-wielder in question (game-wise) is a trained soldier who is taught to use every weapon (including a field knife) to it's supreme efficiency. If you know where to hit, your knife is sharp/big enough (not necessarily Dundee-sized, but it can't be really short either), and you're strong enough to pierce through breastplates and soft spots in the skull(easier with sharper/better knifes) it's completely feasible to finish someone in one shot. There's a lot of x-factors to this, but I don't think it's into the realm of unrealistic.
Plus, it's a game. If I wanted realistic shooters, I'd join the armed forces.
Except if the knife is really the best option there, they'll have used it first. If they don't use it first, it means the other person was faster than them, meaning they deserved the kill. If someone beats you, they're not a bad player. If they don't beat you, but get some kills off you using a specific tactic, it means you need to adapt your play style to account for that tactic. I mean, it's not like knifing someone is akin to god mode.MiracleOfSound said:
I get that knifing, or at least the way it's usually handled, is something you don't like in games. That doesn't make the person using an effective tactic a bad player though. It means they're playing the game you are, just not playing by the rules you wish the game went by. So complain away at the game and ask for it to get changed, just don't throw insults at the people playing the game the way it is now.
Man, you gotta love these topics that tell you everything you need to know in the title. Without even reading the OP (Though I did anyway, don't ban me) I can already tell that this is another pointless topic where someone has decided to share their opinion for no real reason other then "Why not?"
OT: I don't know, how hard would it be to implement an area-based damage system, where headsho-...stabs...are one-hit-kills, but everywhere else is two or three? That seems reasonable to me.
Forget this "surprise execution" garbage. If you stab someone in the stomach, it probably won't kill them, no matter how surprised they are.
OT: I don't know, how hard would it be to implement an area-based damage system, where headsho-...stabs...are one-hit-kills, but everywhere else is two or three? That seems reasonable to me.
Forget this "surprise execution" garbage. If you stab someone in the stomach, it probably won't kill them, no matter how surprised they are.
Insta-kill melee is stupid unless it's in the back (a la Halo). Call of Duty knife is especially stupid because you don't even have to be in melee range, NOR facing the target to get the kill. If they're within 5 yards of you, you win. Really dumb.