One-hit melees bother me in shooters

[LightningBanks]

The problem is, its regenerative heatlh, which means that the melees would be pointless, because youd have to do the animation twice, while the other guy just plasters you with bullets.

It works in Cs or Tf2 because of the health scale, most classes have alot of health so melee does alot of damage without being too overpowing. In games like cod your health is pretty much tiny, therefore bullets would kill someone faster than 2 knives.

I'm probably the only one who cares...

You're not.

Most of the COD Youtube community is crying out for the knife to be changed to a 2-hit kill. Nothing makes me angrier than when I outplay someone, get to the side of them and start to shoot them down, only for them to lunge through my bullets and one hit kill me with the auto-lock knife.

It's worse than ever in Black Ops, you don't even need Commando.

Thats quite wird, I have yet to see any bullcrap in the knife kills in black ops, I even miss when their stood right infront of me.

 

[Azrael the Cat]

Depends HEAVILY on era. This might surprise some of you, but in WW1 more people were killed with bayonets than bullets. Melee fighting was very very very common. Even in WW2 bayonet fighting happened a lot - it's why the Gurkas were the Allies' elite fighting force despite their preference for using their (very long) knives wherever they could.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Knifing? I use Tomahawks. Then I can say my catchphrase.

I do like the CSS knifing system though.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Most knife attacks are non-fatal, and even then the victim receives as many as 20-40 cuts and puncture wounds. And these are on civilians - imagine against a trained soldier.

Imagine those attacks being carried out by a trained soldier. Also in most modern FPS games it's not even 'regular' soldiers doing the fighting, but dedicated Spec Ops teams like the SEALS or SAS.

I don't mind the one-hit-kill melee attack - it can be annoying if you're on the receiving end more often than not but the knife is intended primarily to allow players with no CQB weapons to defend themselves against players with shotguns and SMGs. Coding a knife to require two or three swipes to drop a player to their knees is going to mean that shotgun wins every time, at least this way the unarmed player has a fighting chance.

 

[Seneschal]

I remember that Shamus Young or someone mentioned in an article that the reason for the 1-hit-kill melee button is to encourage keeping your distance. I mean, remember in Quake or Unreal, when you turned a corner and came face to face with an enemy, you were both moving so quickly that none of you could shoot the other in time. Since FPSs have a narrow field of vision compared to the human eye, most players in this situation just started flailing about and shooting randomly.

I think Halo has the best version: 1hko from the back, high damage from the front. The knifing in MW is good enough to become a tactic when it shouldn't - it should be a deterrent and a last resort.

 

[F'Angus]

I much prefer the Reach assassinations to the one hit knife kills... at least stabbing someone in the face would realistically kill someone on that.

Also much more fun to watch.

Would be good if a gun butt strike would knock someone to the floor so you could finish them off.

 

[Tdc2182]

The thing is that it doesn't work to have multiple hit melee in most of todays titles. The guns kill to fast to the point of where the knife option is completely un needed.

Do what they did for assassinations in Halo. Make it a full on Animation that lasts a second or two.

 

[Tdc2182]

Knifing? I use Tomahawks. Then I can say my catchphrase.

I do like the CSS knifing system though.

I must know your Catch Phrase.

 

[JackKrauserFtw]

but BFBC2 is different, alot of the combat takes place great distance from the enemy, so having the knife be a 1 hit kill is a good reward for someone who manages to get behind enemy lines

 

[captaincabbage]

Really, it's nothing to be bothered about too much. If someone makes it past you light machinegun fire then they deserve to kill you. Honestly, the schievement of getting a melee kill in armed combat is fair enough. if you're able to do it then go for it.

As for anything else, if you're sick of being knifed in a game like CoD, play on a hardcore server, with more realistic damage.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Knifing? I use Tomahawks. Then I can say my catchphrase.

I do like the CSS knifing system though.

I must know your Catch Phrase.

"You just got Tomahawked. Thats the name of my new show, Tomahawk'd"

Cookies for reference

 

[Tdc2182]

Knifing? I use Tomahawks. Then I can say my catchphrase.

I do like the CSS knifing system though.

I must know your Catch Phrase.

"You just got Tomahawked. Thats the name of my new show, Tomahawk'd"

Cookies for reference

Haaa, Family Guy.

Good episode.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Knifing? I use Tomahawks. Then I can say my catchphrase.

I do like the CSS knifing system though.

I must know your Catch Phrase.

"You just got Tomahawked. Thats the name of my new show, Tomahawk'd"

Cookies for reference

Haaa, Family Guy.

Good episode.

http://images.google.com/images?q=cookies&biw=944&bih=866

Yeah, I forgot what episode it was...

 

[shootthebandit]

I have the same problem with this. Especially when the argument is "It's Realistic". Because knives are not always a 1 hit kill in real life. And if, Like in MAG, you have Body armor that is knife proof then why does it hurt at all?

dont get me started on MAG knifing

i seen three guys arming an objective i had little to no ammo so i tried to knife one of them, ended up knifing three in one swing of my blade. EPIC moment for me but not an epic moment for 3 guys who were arming the objective

 

[GBlair88]

BF2 and BF2142 had a good system where it was one hit kill but the knife was considered a seperate weapon. So you would have to get your knife out and aim instead of just hitting a button and instakilling an enemy. Then if you missed your target and alerted the enemy you would either have to very quickly try again or get your gun out and shoot them.

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

Shooters bother me in melee games. Aka Falco laser spam in ssb:m.

On topic; I segregate shooters into two genres, the realistic [Rainbow Six, MW], and fantasy [Unreal, Quake]. Generally 3 bullets will take someone out in the more realistic games. So a knife killing in one hit, with the added requirement of getting near them? Give the guy a medal, good job.

The fantasy games tend to not have the one hit kill melee.

 

[KiKiweaky]

No you arent, knife kills are far too easy. Remember the days of cs when a knife kill was 'ohhh how the fuck did you manage that you bell end' >.< now its just 'sigh' <.<

 

[The Madman]

It can get annoying, especially in the Modern Warfare games where I honestly think it's just too good, with perks even encouraging knifing as well as smallish tight-level design making it all too convenient. All too often a player with the right perks on the right map and a good knowledge of said map can outplay everyone else simply using the knife, which simply shouldn't happen.

Spoiler: Why you don't bring a knife to a gun fight!

That said if I had to pick a situation where one-hit kill knifing works, it'd be in Bad Company 2 multiplayer. The maps are big so really even just getting close to an opponent is fairly rare, plus even at close range if your enemy has their gun pointed your way chances are they'll kill you before you even get a chance to pull your little knife. But as a sudden attack, when they're caught unaware or with their back turned, it's brutally efficient and just downright satisfying. Which in my mind is how knifing should be.

When you've just emptied your shotgun and you hear another enemy running towards you, you duck behind cover and wait for him to round the corner before springing out for a swift knife to the face... it's damned satisfying and just feels 'right'. When however you're opponent doesn't even bother to carry a gun and instead just runs straight towards you, soaking up bullets like a sponge before stabbing you... for the fifth time in a row because that's all he does. Well, it just sucks and shouldn't happen!