One-hit melees bother me in shooters

[The Wykydtron]

The BFBC2 knife is the best knife i've seen so far, I love the fact that it's so broken and only good for owning campers in the back. (no sarcasm)

What about the Gears Chainsaw Bayonet? I've seen quite a lot of rage over that XD

 

[tunderball]

People knock Halo but this is one area where they are top dog, the melee works perfectly with fire arms, and the fact that the melee is so powerful is also explained nicely in the canon. Good job Bungie.

 

[GLo Jones]

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Well, I'm surprised no-one has brought this up yet, but the Escapist itself actually disagrees with you [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103387-Melee-Weapons-Make-Shooters-Better].

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

you do bring up a good point but in games like call of duty most characters are soldiers and know where a knife should go to kill a person in one stroke.

They probably also know where bullets should go, too.

Actually yes, if you paint a "T for Target" in somebody's face, the sides of the T going through their eyes, then you shoot there for an instant kill.

...

What?

OT: knife kills are generally easy, I think a system from the campaign should be implemented where if the person reacts at the right time, they win . That would definitely put off some people from knifing.

 

[BENZOOKA]

In CS:S, the worse knife attack does 55 damage, so you need two of those and it takes a couple seconds to do that attack again, so you're basically always better off with shooting and knife works greatly as a 'humiliation' weapon to kill enemies who have either no idea of your near presence, being flashed etc. Knife is basically never the best weapon to kill anyone.

You are in a battle. You have a gun. The enemy has a gun. Why would you attack him with a knife?

That one-hit melee thing does annoy me as well. It's understandable if you could do that only from behind and the target wasn't moving, but just rushing towards a firing opponent and actually getting your way as the winner in that confrontation, that's fucking absurd.

 

[Buizel91]

This is why i like Halo, It takes 2 hits to kill someone (which is understandable considering how huge Spartans are)

Knifing on CoD does bother me, they should really sort it out.

 

[Buizel91]

Make the knife take up the equipment slot. That would take the edge off i guess.

If they did that, half the CoD fans would go mental on IW/Treyarchs arse.

They try to keep the majority of fans happy, but the majority is 12 year old's =\

 

[A Pious Cultist]

That said if I had to pick a situation where one-hit kill knifing works, it'd be in Bad Company 2 multiplayer. The maps are big so really even just getting close to an opponent is fairly rare, plus even at close range if your enemy has their gun pointed your way chances are they'll kill you before you even get a chance to pull your little knife. But as a sudden attack, when they're caught unaware or with their back turned, it's brutally efficient and just downright satisfying. Which in my mind is how knifing should be.

Yes, it's not as twitch based which actually works well in my favour since it "locks on" to enemies instead of missing them by a hair's width although they get plenty of chance to shoot you. It also takes a lot longer (of course its still very possible to chain knife kills together as I have done before, it's just more a matter of tactics and chance then exploitatively using perks).

 

[silver wolf009]

I hate it in Reach when people just sprint up and hit you with their rifle butt, I dont think they even know how to turn off the saftey.

 

[markisb]

easy fix: give all solders a lightsaber instead of a knife. those are most diffidently a one hit kill melee weapon.

didn't Luke get hit with a light-saber in ep5 and survive?

OT:I love getting knife kills especially when i have to dodge a few bullets

 

[Ironic Pirate]

It's called balance. Seriously, if the game was realistic instead of balanced it would be horrible.

In Halo, the two hit system works because people are very durable. In CoD, the knife would be utterly worthless. The reason it's over-powered is because Treyarch (and IW) use bad net code in their games, causing them to lag unnecessarily and making knifers often appear invincible. Done right (BC2) the one-hit knife is satisfying, takes skill, and is great or stealth.

 

[gl1koz3]

It doesn't make sense when you're well aware the enemy is coming at you. A lot of things may get in the way before reaching the kill-stab destination... It's oversimplified. I read here about BF:Vietnam where you had a sort of minigame with knife fights. Now that would change a lot, as you wouldn't just vanish off the map as if nothing ever happened, but you'd die actually trying. It would probably be more satisfying, if it weren't down to who pushes the button first or runs around like an idiot so that nobody can get to him.

 

[spartan231490]

You have to remember, in those police reports your reading, most of the attackers are civilians as well. Someone who is trained with a knife is extrememly lethal, even against an aware opponent. That said, it's just a game. If you want realism, than most pistols should be one shot kills, you start your match with one life, and you play until only one person is left. Sound like fun?

 

[BloodSquirrel]

It's called balance. Seriously, if the game was realistic instead of balanced it would be horrible.

In Halo, the two hit system works because people are very durable. In CoD, the knife would be utterly worthless. The reason it's over-powered is because Treyarch (and IW) use bad net code in their games, causing them to lag unnecessarily and making knifers often appear invincible. Done right (BC2) the one-hit knife is satisfying, takes skill, and is great or stealth.

It works in BC2 because the knife is slow enough that

A) Someone with a gun can get a few shots in if they see you comming.

and

B) There's actually an element of timing to it- you have to hit the button, then aim the knife at them while it swings. A good player can even dodge it.

It works in Halo because the game requires you to use other forms of damage to get them down low enough to kill with the hit. The hit introduces a delay where you can't shoot or hit again for a second, meaning that it's faster to shoot somebody then hit than it is to hit somebody then shoot (or hit again). A player trying to "two-hit" somebody will generally be killed by a player who shoots them a few times then hits them.

Hits in Halo actually come down to being skilled enough to know when to hit JUST as you've done enough damage that the hit will kill the other player- any less, and you won't kill them. Any more, and they'll probably beat you to the punch.

What about the Gears Chainsaw Bayonet? I've seen quite a lot of rage over that XD

The Lancer needs to be revved up to make a kill, which makes it easily interruptible. It's also a lot harder to get that close to somebody in Gears. A chainsaw kill is something you have to work for.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Personally I have no qualms about it as I used to knife kill a fair bit of MW1 ... silenced weapons and sneak knife campers with gripped machineguns and sniper rifles. The one thing that pissed me off was autodying 1/6th of the time from martyrdom after you put a knife in their back.

Personally I think it's a ocmpletely legit move. Atleast knifers move ...

 

[MR T3D]

It's called balance. Seriously, if the game was realistic instead of balanced it would be horrible.

In Halo, the two hit system works because people are very durable. In CoD, the knife would be utterly worthless. The reason it's over-powered is because Treyarch (and IW) use bad net code in their games, causing them to lag unnecessarily and making knifers often appear invincible. Done right (BC2) the one-hit knife is satisfying, takes skill, and is great or stealth.

awwwww, hell naw! BC2's knife is significantly worse than in BC1 or any of the proper BF games.
doesn't even work 1/2 the time, more reliable to sidearm them.
besides, the knife in COD or BF games should only be a silent alternative for unsuspecting opponents, or for someone whom is able to get in close through player skills.

 

[MrJohnson]

Maybe, just maybe, people are angry because no matter where you hit a person with your knife they instantly die. If I knife someone in the foot or the arm they probably shouldn't die.

 

[Negatempest]

Look at Halo and see how well hitting someone twice with melee works out.

 

[Ashcrexl]

i hate it somewhat just cuz my first instinct when an enemy is right in my face is just to pull the trigger (like in real life!) and i always forget to pull out my knife. also, commando. but when I get a good knife kill, it makes up for all those times.

 

[Woodsey]

Yeah, but everyone gets a knife... you could always stab first.

Good players don't want kills that they don't have to use skill to get.

I take it CoD and most other multiplayer games these days are devoid of skilled players then, considering they all make use of their killstreaks.