Opinions on Abortion
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im not quite sure what to say here i could be considered both
on one hand if i were to acidentely get a girl pregnent i would not sugest she get an abortion
but on the other hand ask yourself is it a crime to think that someone else has the right to do something you think is wrong (this does not apply to me i dont think abortion is wrong) criminals have the choice to be criminals and if they choose wrong they will pay the price what im saying is stop punishing people for letting others do what they want on this issue
on one hand if i were to acidentely get a girl pregnent i would not sugest she get an abortion
but on the other hand ask yourself is it a crime to think that someone else has the right to do something you think is wrong (this does not apply to me i dont think abortion is wrong) criminals have the choice to be criminals and if they choose wrong they will pay the price what im saying is stop punishing people for letting others do what they want on this issue
I'm a prolife/prochoice, my explanation:
1. Do I like the idea of abortion? Not really no, if I was pregnant I would carry the child to term
BUT
2. It is not my place, your place, or the governments place to tell women what they can and cannot do. That decision is between a woman and God, and them only.
1. Do I like the idea of abortion? Not really no, if I was pregnant I would carry the child to term
BUT
2. It is not my place, your place, or the governments place to tell women what they can and cannot do. That decision is between a woman and God, and them only.
I'm pro-Choice.
It's the woman's body and it's her choice.
Also, good things can come from it, like stem cell research and preventing a child from being born into a horrible life they would regret.
It's the woman's body and it's her choice.
Also, good things can come from it, like stem cell research and preventing a child from being born into a horrible life they would regret.
Pro-dont give a rats ass either way, realistically though it shuld be legal we have an overpopulation problem at the moment incase most people dint notice people living too long and breeding too much on a planet that cant really sustain that many of us.
And how can you honk on about morality but you would make a child suffer through potentialy fatal childbirth because she was unlucky enough to be raped all because the alternative conflicts with your morality? hah.
And how can you honk on about morality but you would make a child suffer through potentialy fatal childbirth because she was unlucky enough to be raped all because the alternative conflicts with your morality? hah.
Do you consider masturbation and contraception to be murder, too?Darkside360 said:
Every time you ejaculate, a potential civilization dies..
Abortion is not nice, but would you rather keep overpopulating the planet because of petty morality?Life would inexorably worsen for each successive generation.
Is a Fetus Any Less Human Than You Are?
Guest post by gabrielpeter
A fetus, at any stage of development, is a life. Whether or not you choose to accept it in that language, you also believe this to be true. When a woman gets pregnant, a life results. It's why people use birth control ? to prevent this from happening. That's why it's called "birth control." Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan recently wrote, "With conception, something begins. What do you think it is? A car? A 1948 Buick?"
Ask yourself this question: is a human being intrinsically valuable (that is, we have value by our very nature) or are they instrumentally valuable (that is, we only have value according to a certain usefulness). Here are four arguments to defend that a fetus deserves the same basic human rights as the rest of us -- size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependency.
1. Size. Does your size make you more human than someone smaller than you? Are you more of a human than a 4-year-old because you are taller? Is LeBron James more human than you are because he's taller than you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then we can rule out size as a characteristic in what defines a human being.
2. Level of Development. Back to the example of a 4-year-old, are you more human because you have a higher level of development? You can procreate, have a more developed anatomy, and can take of yourself better than a 4-year-old. Does this make you more human? Furthermore, you have a higher level of intelligence. Is a person more human because they are smarter than someone else? I would hope the answer is no. If not, this puts everyone on a giant bell-curve. It's an elitist view, and should not be imposed upon anyone. So why would you impose it on a fetus?
3. Environment. How does where you are determine who you are? When you step from your room into the hallway, did you change who you are? Aren't you the same person in a box, with a fox, in a house, or with a mouse? Then how does a journey 8 inches down the birth canal change you from a fetus into a human being?
4. Degree of Dependency. My sister is a diabetic. Because she relies on a pump to give her insulin, does that make me more human than her because I don't have to rely on such a device to survive? How about someone with a prosthetic arm, a glass eye, or a pacemaker? A friend of mine was just diagnosed with Crones disease and may have a section of his intestine removed. Is he less human because there is less of him? Or someone in intensive care who needs the aid and assistance of others to provide for them? Are they any less human? If the answer is no, then a person's dependency on something or someone else to sustain them does not determine their humanity.
In conclusion, we can say that of these four characteristics that would differentiate you from a fetus, none of them create any separation between the humanity of a person outside the womb and one inside the womb. Life begins at conception.
Do you believe that human life begins at conception?
Guest post by gabrielpeter
A fetus, at any stage of development, is a life. Whether or not you choose to accept it in that language, you also believe this to be true. When a woman gets pregnant, a life results. It's why people use birth control ? to prevent this from happening. That's why it's called "birth control." Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan recently wrote, "With conception, something begins. What do you think it is? A car? A 1948 Buick?"
Ask yourself this question: is a human being intrinsically valuable (that is, we have value by our very nature) or are they instrumentally valuable (that is, we only have value according to a certain usefulness). Here are four arguments to defend that a fetus deserves the same basic human rights as the rest of us -- size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependency.
1. Size. Does your size make you more human than someone smaller than you? Are you more of a human than a 4-year-old because you are taller? Is LeBron James more human than you are because he's taller than you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then we can rule out size as a characteristic in what defines a human being.
2. Level of Development. Back to the example of a 4-year-old, are you more human because you have a higher level of development? You can procreate, have a more developed anatomy, and can take of yourself better than a 4-year-old. Does this make you more human? Furthermore, you have a higher level of intelligence. Is a person more human because they are smarter than someone else? I would hope the answer is no. If not, this puts everyone on a giant bell-curve. It's an elitist view, and should not be imposed upon anyone. So why would you impose it on a fetus?
3. Environment. How does where you are determine who you are? When you step from your room into the hallway, did you change who you are? Aren't you the same person in a box, with a fox, in a house, or with a mouse? Then how does a journey 8 inches down the birth canal change you from a fetus into a human being?
4. Degree of Dependency. My sister is a diabetic. Because she relies on a pump to give her insulin, does that make me more human than her because I don't have to rely on such a device to survive? How about someone with a prosthetic arm, a glass eye, or a pacemaker? A friend of mine was just diagnosed with Crones disease and may have a section of his intestine removed. Is he less human because there is less of him? Or someone in intensive care who needs the aid and assistance of others to provide for them? Are they any less human? If the answer is no, then a person's dependency on something or someone else to sustain them does not determine their humanity.
In conclusion, we can say that of these four characteristics that would differentiate you from a fetus, none of them create any separation between the humanity of a person outside the womb and one inside the womb. Life begins at conception.
Do you believe that human life begins at conception?
I don't like the idea of abortion. However, I do think it should be legal. I am pro-choice, and I think that telling someone what they can and can't do with their lives is very, very wrong. Plus, I really don't believe that the baby is truly alive until they are born.
That video has been removed or banned or something.. Why would that be? Could you find or give more details on the video so that I can find it please. Thanks.wewontdie11 said:
Ugh. Seriously this thread has been done many times and most of them end with me saying something so true about fetuses not being alive, therefore an abortion is not killing, and ending the thread.
If she's having sex on the town, she shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. Sex ain't something you should just get on the street. It's supposed to mean something. Let her live with what she's gotten herself into. Taking the easy way out is only for the stupid.
On the other hand, if she was raped or if it was against her will, I don't see why she shouldn't get an abortion. The kid could grow up to be a rapist like his evil dad, or be a man hating monster of a woman.
Either way, it should be based on responsibility. Though I think a person's life is important no matter how early it is, we should draw a line.
Besides, she's in the process of creating a life in her stomach. If she does it willingly, she's making a new life. It isn't hers anymore. You can't consider a future life property.
On the other hand, if she was raped or if it was against her will, I don't see why she shouldn't get an abortion. The kid could grow up to be a rapist like his evil dad, or be a man hating monster of a woman.
Either way, it should be based on responsibility. Though I think a person's life is important no matter how early it is, we should draw a line.
Besides, she's in the process of creating a life in her stomach. If she does it willingly, she's making a new life. It isn't hers anymore. You can't consider a future life property.
If you say "no, I'm afraid you're going to need to carry that child to term," you are telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body, and that, especially for something as traumatic and stressful as pregnancy, sounds an awful lot like rape to me. It should be the woman's choice and nobody else's.
Essentialism, ew!conquerworm said:
I am more human than a brain-dead body in the hospital. That person has already experienced his last moment of life; now there's nothing left of him but his organs. We still treat that body with some ritual dignity because it used to be a person, but it's not a full-on human being anymore.
Just like I'm more human than a person who will never again be conscious, I'm more human than a being that has yet to even awaken into consciousness. We treat that thing with some dignity because it might become a person, but, for most of gestation, that fetus is less intelligent and aware than the animals that we routinely eat.
I'm more human than a hypothetical hyper-intelligent creature that's capable of levels of insight awareness that I can't even imagine, too -- because it doesn't think in a human way, doesn't experience life the way human beings do
The thing that's created at conception is called an embryo, not a fetus. It's a clump of undifferentiated cells. It takes time for those cells to turn into a body with tissues and organs. A developing embryo is no more a human being than a patch of skin is. Gradually, slowly, it becomes more and more human-like; but it doesn't just start that way. Equating a gastrula with a six-month-old fetus is ludicrous.conquerworm said:
This isn't an "elitist" view. It's a pragmatic, gradualist view, one that rejects arbitrary line-drawing. It's a view that recognizes that "human" is about how you experience the world and how you participate in a society of human beings.
And that doesn't mean that the law has to come with a big chart of how different gradation of "human" so that we can act like some of us are superior to others (that's just more arbitrary line-drawing). What it does mean is that we should recognize that our definitions are fuzzy and create laws that allow for some flexibility.
-- Alex