Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

[Harbinger_]

I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:

"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.

Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.

"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.

"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.

"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."

Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.

"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.

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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.

"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."

However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.

"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.

Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."

( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )

Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.

I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.

I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.

What do you think?

Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one

I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.

Again, if you read to the end of the post, I did say that I have no problem with someone celebrating the end of a Tyranny or regime as the result of the death of a person, which I sure is what you meant, but there no end of anything here, it's just a person who has been killed. Al Qaeda is still going strong, and the war can't even see ceasefire with a telescope.

Also, I'm pretty sure that every year you don't spill drunkenly onto the streets with a huge flag and yell stuff at traffic. That's the other part I have a problem with.

I did read to the end and know you don't have a problem with it and I know its not the end of anything yet but as far as I'm concerned it's a start.

 

[city cider]

He's right. That footage of the Americans celebrating like they just got to the moon for the first time? It was disgusting. It was fucking outrageous.

Some people need to mature up and learn some humility. The fact that bin Laden has probably been dead for 4 years and it's a cover up to make the US seem like they haven't been wasting the last 4 years of their lives is bad enough.

 

[beeejay]

Im not at the point of celebrating or even anything near but, the fact that he is dead? yeah that makes me somewhat happy.

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

I can understand that they're celebrating. A lot of people was killed because of him.

 

[Therumancer]

Seems fine to me, especially looking at the parties throughout The Middle East due to the 9/11 attacks.

It's sort of like being happy Hitler is dead. Worrying about being politically correct is going to send the wrong message. We've been at this crap for a while, and we've finally got some measure of victory, even though I think it's ridiculously far from being over.

I find it ironic to have what are mostly liberals running around screaming "noes! your going to provoke retaliation attacks, which your making justified!" when these same guys didn't think the US was justified in taking military actions after a decapitation strike being directed at our nation.

I'm not going to say that I find the idea inherantly wonderful, but morale is a big deal in times of national crisis, and I think this reaction is a GOOD thing that will make a lot of the hard things we still have to do a little easier, at least in the short term.

 

[TWjohnny]

"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."

Yes, we should be allowed to "interfere" with Muslim affairs, as should we with ANY other religion, I cannot believe anyone would believe that religion should be above the law,

Simply put, this is payback for BURNING the poppies on REMEMBRANCE day in London.

No one man, religion or country should be above the basic law in humanity that killing innocents, when unessential and unprovoked, is wrong.

Shows what America can do when PSN goes down..

 

[Cliff_m85]

Thats FAIR. Hm.

I think thats true that we shouldn't celebrate a man dying.

I'd agree. I firmly believe that he deserved a fair trial in the U.S.

Just because your enemy is barbaric doesn't mean you must be the same. Life in prison without the chance for parole would've been my choice of punishment.

 

[BodomBeachChild]

Replace him with with an enemy of the Middle East and have them kill their top enemy and see if they don't celebrate. Sure, he might have actually been an alright guy to talk to, but that doesn't change what he was. Can't change anything now. He's dead, be happy. It's the end of a ten year goose chase.

 

[elbrandino]

People celebrated when Hitler killed himself. Was it not ok to celebrate that either?

I wouldn't say so, no. Death is never justice. Death is the deprival of justice for the benefit of vengeance.

Bin Laden wanted all of us killed, the threat (from him at least) is gone, I think that's reason enough to celebrate.

On the contrary, I think now is the right time to be more worried than ever. A resourceful and insular network of committed fanatics have been granted a martyr to whom they can aspire, and with the figurehead removed, the one confirmed link to all the different cells is lost.

Right

I'm significantly more afraid today with the knowledge that he's dead than I was last night with the knowledge that he was alive.

Right. That's why I said the threat from him is gone. I'm fully aware a new leader could arise.

 

[Torrasque]

Me: "I thought he was dead a long while ago"
American friends: "SHOWS WHAT YOU KNOW! AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!"
Me: "Uhh... I guess?"

I personally have different ideas about what happened in 9/11, and don't really give a damn about Osama.
Either way, celebrating a terrible person's death seems to be alright in my books.
I'd celebrate if I was around when Hitler was killed, and if Osama did all the stuff that everyone says he did, it should be alright for the USA to cheer about it.
But cheering about someone's death is kinda mean and doesn't really teach kids the right idea, no matter who it is.

Beh. I'll leave the Americans alone to have their cake and eat it.

 

[Smokej]

While im not questioning the guiltiness and ethical wrongdoing of Bin Laden and his involvment in international terrorism, but all the pictures from the crowd celebrating like their hometeam won the Superbowl is worrying me.

Those people aren't making the impression that they are able to consider what happened in a reflected way. Yes i know that people are deeply emotionally involved, but a mob of blue collar guys shouting "USA" isn't really the best way to reduce the conflict potential and help the image of the USA in the rest of the (nonwestern) world...

Especially the pictures showing students out of Washington (which i thought had one of the better Universities and Political Science Faculties) reinforces the impression that even those who should know better, are heavily governed by a western (US)centric worldview...

btw: the commando operation seems like good material for an upcoming "baysque" movie, so i'm wondering who could be starring as Osama...

 

[proctorninja2]

i think americans have the right to celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for one of the worst tradgaties in american history. I personally think today should have been a holiday to thank all the people who were working this entire time to hunt him down

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

This sort of thing happens...

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IN AMERICA!!

 

[dkyros]

Really? I believe that people should be themselves. If this means celebrating one of the most hated peoples death in the US then so be it. I think this guy needs a crash course on morale, because more than just people in the military need it. A country needs it when they have been in a war as long and to the degree as ours especially a war that has been as unpopular as this one.

 

[TheRealCJ]

I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:

"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.

Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.

"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.

"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.

"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."

Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.

"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.

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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.

"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."

However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.

"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.

Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."

( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )

Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.

I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.

I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.

What do you think?

Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one

I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.

Again, if you read to the end of the post, I did say that I have no problem with someone celebrating the end of a Tyranny or regime as the result of the death of a person, which I sure is what you meant, but there no end of anything here, it's just a person who has been killed. Al Qaeda is still going strong, and the war can't even see ceasefire with a telescope.

Also, I'm pretty sure that every year you don't spill drunkenly onto the streets with a huge flag and yell stuff at traffic. That's the other part I have a problem with.

I did read to the end and know you don't have a problem with it and I know its not the end of anything yet but as far as I'm concerned it's a start.

Yeah, just like the death of Saddam Hussein was then end of the bloodshed in Iraq.

But I digress, can you not agree that it's people acting like a bunch of drunken yobs on the world stage isn't doing the US any good in regards to international relations.

You may not like the "muslims", but you can't fight them all. So try not to piss of the ones who you AREN'T enemies with by waving your dicks about in their faces.

 

[Pointer]

This is another time when America is acting like an spoiled 10 year old getting an ipad2 & rubbing it in all out faces. also, they finally killed him? so they finally decided to not bring him in alive & just killed him? FUCKING FINALLY.
Just ignore the celebrations if your disgusted by em.

I find that rather hard. See, I don't have any particular problems with the US that I don't have with any other country.

But I can't help but feel that for their international reputation, it's two steps forwards, one step back: They Elect a Black President, They spend most of the time being racist and provocative.

They finally take down a notorious international fuguitive, and then celebrate it like they just won the hosting rights for the Olympics.

Well I hate to burst your bubble but no one really celebrates hosting rights in America.

If you don't get it let me put it to you this way. Our generation's Hitler has just been shot and killed. This man had no right to live with the deeds he had committed, and honestly I'm happy that he wasn't dragged to a trial. I didn't go out of my way to celebrate but I'm not bothered by it.

And yes, America is just a string of shiny contradictions held together by celotape but I heard that having the right to picket the funerals of soldiers fighting in Iraq because America supports "fags" makes us great. Go figure.

 

[jpoon]

This dbag received exactly what he deserved. No need to celebrate, it's just a fact. I'm glad they killed the dirty bastard off but realistically this will do nothing to end all the wars we are wasting money in, it will no doubt continue to be business as usual.

 

[kuolonen]

OH SNIP

One? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Civilian_casualties_.282001-2003.29

According to Marc W. Herold's extensive database, Dossier on Civilian Victims of United States' Aerial Bombing, between 3,100 and 3,600 civilians were directly killed by U.S. Operation Enduring Freedom bombing and Special Forces attacks between October 7, 2001 and June 3, 2003. This estimate counts only "impact deaths" - deaths that occurred in the immediate aftermath of an explosion or shooting - and does not count deaths that occurred later as a result of injuries sustained, or deaths that occurred as an indirect consequence of the U.S. airstrikes and invasion.


True, he was the figurehead, the prize. Was it worth the blood of tens of thousands for this one small achievement of killing him? Obama himself stated this was the biggest triumph in the war, utterly atrocious that he thinks killing Osama justifies all this nonsense. Oh well, whatever he has to do to win support to get elected I guess.

Unrelated Note: I've asked a few people if they really think all the killing can be justified. Most seem to think 'the rag head sandni##ers' lives are worthless to begin with, another person told me 25,000 kids die in Africa everyday, adding a few deaths to that total doesn't matter.

I really am disappointed that humans can feel such a way towards other ones, regardless of religion or country of origin. Racism and Hatred truly are the driving force behind mankind.

True enough, but people in the streets are not celebrating because of the death of those civilians, they are out celebrating the death of one man. Contrast with 9/11 celebrations in muslim communities. Personally I see waging a war to kill one man apeshitbananas-insane but thats not the point here.

As for the Unlrelated, boy you live in whacky neighbourhood. You must live in the deep south, yes? Oh well, thats evolution for you. Survival of the nastiest.