Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

[TheRealCJ]

I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:

"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.

Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.

"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.

"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.

"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."

Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.

"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.

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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.

"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."

However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.

"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.

Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."

( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )

Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.

I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.

I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.

What do you think?

Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one

I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.

Again, if you read to the end of the post, I did say that I have no problem with someone celebrating the end of a Tyranny or regime as the result of the death of a person, which I sure is what you meant, but there no end of anything here, it's just a person who has been killed. Al Qaeda is still going strong, and the war can't even see ceasefire with a telescope.

Also, I'm pretty sure that every year you don't spill drunkenly onto the streets with a huge flag and yell stuff at traffic. That's the other part I have a problem with.

I did read to the end and know you don't have a problem with it and I know its not the end of anything yet but as far as I'm concerned it's a start.

Yeah, just like the death of Saddam Hussein was then end of the bloodshed in Iraq.

But I digress, can you not agree that it's people acting like a bunch of drunken yobs on the world stage isn't doing the US any good in regards to international relations.

You may not like the "muslims", but you can't fight them all. So try not to piss of the ones who you AREN'T enemies with by waving your dicks about in their faces.

From what I've seen people on the streets acted pretty decent, no burning of flags, no promises of killings of innocents. In my humble oppinion this will not change US international image at all. They are perfectly justified in celebrating the death of their nations enemy.

And please don't equate Osama with muslims. The man was a terorist, not a cultural leader. Those that will mourn his demise are not the kind of people americans would want to make friends with anyway.

Hence why I put the word in quotation marks. Of course he isn't representative of all Muslims, or even all middle eastern nations, but a lot of people certainly seem to think so.

 

[Chefodeath]

I was around a bit of celebration. I also thought it was disgusting but not for the reason the guy in the article said. he can piss off.

This isn't a football match. I saw the celebrations as inappropriate and frankly, retarded.

 

[ZeroMachine]

I'm gonna just post some brutal honesty here- fuck anyone who thinks celebrating this man's death is wrong.

He caused the deaths of THOUSANDS. The world is a brighter place without him in it, even just by a little bit.

He's the only person whose death I will openly and unabashedly celebrate. Hitler, too, I supposed, but that's obviously not during my time.

So let me say this here and now:

I AM GLAD BIN LADEN IS DEAD. When I see my friend today, we're going to laugh and smile about it. And if anyone has a problem with that, I'm going to flip them off.

I'm usually not like this... but I feel like this is a chance for the entire world to celebrate, even Muslims. A mass murderer is dead.

*cheers*

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[Booze Zombie]

I don't celebrate people's deaths, anyway. I don't think much of it.

One man's death will stop little, as you can't kill a terrible idea.

 

[darkcommanderq]

Thats FAIR. Hm.

I think thats true that we shouldn't celebrate a man dying.

Agreed. That does not make us much better than the terrorists that were celebrating when the towers fell.

(Yeah yeah I know they 'started' it, but still). This just shows the average maturity level of the US, and that we are collectively 12.

 

[Canid117]

Harry Waizer, a survivor of 9/11, told the New York Times that "I just can't find it in me to be glad one more person is dead, even if it is Osama bin Laden."

But then, you saw small-town America's response to the Tsunami.

And I'm sure small-town Iran will be speaking of his assured place in Heaven.

Actually Iran hates Al Qaueda almost as much as we do.

Also is the celebration not understandable? The man was responsible for the first foreign attack on American soil in almost two hundred years and is the mastermind behind the deaths of over three thousand unsuspecting civilians. Sure a perfect person supposed to immediately forgive anyone anywhere ever no matter what they had done but no one is perfect and you guys might want to step off your high horses for a second and think about the positions of those you are so quick to dismiss.

 

[LuckyClover95]

I think to be safe no one should ever celebrate anything at the risk of offending people who have absolutely nothing to do with the situation they are celebrating. For it is those people who have the most important opinions of all. people should all just sit back and wait for someone else to have something terrible to happen to them so that they can sit in an ivory tower and criticize the reactions of those people despite having no knowledge of how it effect each of them personally.

Sarcasm?
Or are you one of those people that thinks we shouldn't celebrate Christmas?

 

[LuckyClover95]

Harry Waizer, a survivor of 9/11, told the New York Times that "I just can't find it in me to be glad one more person is dead, even if it is Osama bin Laden."

But then, you saw small-town America's response to the Tsunami.

And I'm sure small-town Iran will be speaking of his assured place in Heaven.

Actually Iran hates Al Qaueda almost as much as we do.

Also is the celebration not understandable? The man was responsible for the first foreign attack on American soil in almost two hundred years and is the mastermind behind the deaths of over three thousand unsuspecting civilians. Sure a perfect person supposed to immediately forgive anyone anywhere ever no matter what they had done but no one is perfect and you guys might want to step off your high horses for a second and think about the positions of those you are so quick to dismiss.

Bravo dude, well put.

 

[funguy2121]

I'm happy he's gone (IF he is - seems odd that they dumped the body). I'm not throwing a party or anything but I don't think it's crass to celebrate the passing from this Earth of a monster. He surrendered his humanity when he engineered the deaths of thousands of innocents. I don't think it would be terribly hyperbolic to call some members of the Bush administration murderers but this man set out to kill innocents, not military targets (well, not on that day) to advance his political agenda. I don't feel bad at all about us killing him, and I'm usually anti-death penalty.

None of that is a commentary on our own foreign policy, specifically as it relates to the Arab World, which I very largely despise.

 

[Rottweiler]

You know what...I simply don't care. Maybe if those other people or countries had, perhaps *done something* about the death threats and terrorism and state-supported violence against anything that even remotely puts Islam in a bad light...I might care about someone's opinion about celebrating the death of a terrorist Icon.

Embassies were attacked over a *Cartoon* and people couldn't be bothered to protest. Massive terrorist attacks happen, and people are more concerned about the *victims* celebrating the death of the leader who orchestrated it?

Guess what, I think I'll dance in the street a bit because I really don't care what they think.

 

[Tdc2182]

How about fuck that?

I admit, people are fucking stupid about this and I was really hoping someone got Beanbagged at the White House walls, but hell no.

Any Country would do this. Any. Country.

How can you relate this to people celebrating terrorist attacks where civilians are needlessly killed.

I'm now petitioning for Google to have Osama's head on a pike in the home page just to spite these people.

 

[orangeban]

Yeah, celebrating death is a dickish thing to do. I think it's fine if they're just going "Yay the head of the enemy forces has been removed in some way" but if they are going "Yay, he's DEAD!" that isn't so cool. Be happy he is gone, not that he is dead.

 

[B-Lavaunit]

I don't know how many people watched the CNN report, but they had some dude on (looked like bachelor number 3 from mallrats) who actually said "The War on Terror is over"

As an Australian, i think that perhaps the Muslim leader should have STFU for 2 main reasons

1 - He isn't and as far as i know has never been an American or a terrorist, so why exactly he has to publicly comment (or why the media feels the need to publish his comments) confuses me.

2 - If the goal of Muslim group are what they say they are (non extremist groups anyway), then, if he is trying to build better relations with non Muslims, so they are not hated for being Muslim, why would he respond in such a way that is could be construed that he is sad at osamas death

OT: To all the people comparing this to the death of Hitler etc, those celebrations were for the end of a war, which this is not, not to mention that quite a lot of Hitler and friends followers were not doing so because they believed in the cause, but because they were being forced to.

Final note, America, to the rest of the world, you seem like Homer Simpson, chanting USA USA every time America appears to do anything

 

[Tdc2182]

Thats FAIR. Hm.

I think thats true that we shouldn't celebrate a man dying.

Agreed. That does not make us much better than the terrorists that were celebrating when the towers fell.

(Yeah yeah I know they 'started' it, but still). This just shows the average maturity level of the US, and that we are collectively 12.

Really? I was going for Drunken Fratboy. There were damn cheerleaders at the Whitehouse.

 

[Venereus]

Celebrating the deaths of thousands of innocents is not the same as celebrating the death of one mass murderer. End of fucking story.

Riiiiiiiiight, 'cause the US only killed that one guy during this whole affair...

 

[TheRealCJ]

So this is bad, but being glad the Nazis were driven out is OK?

And no, Godwin's Law does not apply.

It's quite a different situation.

The Nazis being taken down effectively ended the european war, which had claimed millions of lives. They weren't celebrating the death of a single man, they were celebrating the end of a devastating war. They were celebrating PEACE.

In this case, the war isn't over, not by a long shot, the death of Bin Laden won't bring about the end to this war, not any kind of official peace between us and them.

At best, I could label this celebration "premature".

 

[omega 616]

Really? I believe that people should be themselves. If this means celebrating one of the most hated peoples death in the US then so be it. I think this guy needs a crash course on morale, because more than just people in the military need it. A country needs it when they have been in a war as long and to the degree as ours especially a war that has been as unpopular as this one.

If you think about it, America isn't in a war, Iraq (or where ever, my geography isn't great) is in the war. American troops are there but it's not like Germany and Uk/France blaowing each others city's apart.

I know there have been 2 buildings, 2 planes and I think a few other forms of public transport that have blown up but when you consider what America has done to the landscape of the middle east there worlds apart.

It's also not like America can't afford to re build quickly and easily, Iraq will have more trouble.

As for Americans celebrating, it is just going to piss off the terrorist groups even more ... I think Rich Hall says it best ...

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[TheRealCJ]

Harry Waizer, a survivor of 9/11, told the New York Times that "I just can't find it in me to be glad one more person is dead, even if it is Osama bin Laden."

But then, you saw small-town America's response to the Tsunami.

And I'm sure small-town Iran will be speaking of his assured place in Heaven.

Actually Iran hates Al Qaueda almost as much as we do.

Also is the celebration not understandable? The man was responsible for the first foreign attack on American soil in almost two hundred years and is the mastermind behind the deaths of over three thousand unsuspecting civilians. Sure a perfect person supposed to immediately forgive anyone anywhere ever no matter what they had done but no one is perfect and you guys might want to step off your high horses for a second and think about the positions of those you are so quick to dismiss.

If course it's understandable, but then, a puppy piddling on your new carpet is "understandable".

Doesn't mean you can't be annoyed by it, or try to change it.

 

[intheweeds]

Three things one should never have a conversation with a stranger about:

1)Religion
2)Abortion
3)Politics

 

[darkcommanderq]

Double post by accident. pls ignore.