Just because someone is in college, does not mean that there maturity is that of a college student. There are a lot of people in college with very low maturiy levels.Tdc2182 said:
Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"
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I think Hawai (Pearl Harbor)counts as U.S. soil, just ask Obama.Canid117 said:
OT: I have never had much faith in humanity. I've always stated that the actions of the U.S. military and Al-Qaeda could be swapped and nobody would notice. Celebrating Osama's death is like being forced to drink your own piss when the water runs out. That is the only solace they can have. Let's see the exchange for Osama's *alleged* death: Trillions of dollars, hatred and contempt of the Muslim world (amongst other communities) deaths and casualties for U.S. Army numbering in the tens of thousands, and "collateral" damage i.e. Afghan civilians numbering close to a hundred thousand. The only solace Americans had was killing Osama because nothing else changes.
Keep celebrating guys, drink the truth away.
To those people who are saying that it's disgusting or immoral to revel in someones death, even someone evil. I fundamentally disagree with your argument on several fronts. Allow me enumerate them.
1. Who qualified you to the be authority on how people celebrate when the biggest enemy to our country of our generation is not "murdered" but brought to justice? While yes he did not have a formal trial he would not allow himself to have a formal trial. Instead he hid across borders and in caves for almost a decade instead of taking real responsibility for his actions. Why did he do this you ask? Why did he live in a CAVE for a decade? Because he KNEW what he did was wrong and that the vast majority of the world thought so. He is directly responsible for the death of many thousands of people. GOOD people who were not soldiers but stock brokers and bankers at work. We are taking about one of the greatest mass murderers of the 21st century finally getting justice, how you can say he was murdered I have no idea.
2. To the other countries in the world who think it's disgusting. In short you do not know what it is like to as a country be shocked by tragedy like 9/11 was. Yes other countries have had tragedies equal to or greater than 9/11 I am not denying that, but not in very recent history and not of this type. I could be showing my ignorance here I will admit and on this I am happy to revise if someone provides me an example of how I am wrong but our ENTIRE country , the third largest in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population), was unified against this man after the sudden and unprovoked attack on our country. Would countries say we were "disgusting" because we celebrated if we killed the emperor of japan after the pearl harbor attacks? I certainly don't thinks so, yet this is fundamentally the same thing.
3. And finally to the world of Islam. As the president said last night in his speech. We are not now nor have we ever been at war with Islam. If we were, trust me you would know it. But to the issue on hand, I do not understand why you would be upset by this. This man has been one of the, if not the biggest, defacto face to the world for the last decade. This mass murdering psychopath is what represented you and your faith to the world. I truthfully believe that now that he is gone we as cultures can start the healing process and one day learn to live together not as separate ghettoized cultures on two different parts of the world but as a single unified world culture that doesn't see us any different other than we have different faith. Which in the end, is only one difference, if married couples only had to get over "one difference" the divorce rate would be near 0.
I write all this out mostly to address how I feel about those detractors saying that we should not celebrate but I share it for those who agree with me but cannot form their thoughts to a coherent argument. My baser instincts tell make me to wish that they draw and quarter our fallen enemies body and hang bits in front of government buildings, but that will be counter productive and only polarize society more. While I fully condone the celebration of the death of an enemy now that the threat is gone I feel it is time for us to let go of our fears of our Muslim neighbors. That we finally start to tear down these walls of suspicion and prejudice that even those who read this and think "well I don't have those!" have; even I am guilty of this myself. I also still realize that the threat of terrorism is not gone or even substantially abated by his death I see no greater time for us as a country, a culture, as a world, to finally just, let it go. Let go of our suspicion, our anxiety, our wariness, and our fear of the new or not understood and embrace each other as two cultures with much to offer each other. This is not the cold war of the 20th century where one side cannot exist in the presence of the other. This is two large groups of people in a global society who have harbored resentment and anger toward each other for a period of time longer than anyone alive can really comprehend. To close I will include a quote that I think best can encapsulate my feelings on the subject as spoke by who I consider to be a very wise man.
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate, leads to suffering."
Sincerely with all the blessings of God/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster/Shiva/Buddah/Jehovah/Whatever you believe
-Zane Degner
1. Who qualified you to the be authority on how people celebrate when the biggest enemy to our country of our generation is not "murdered" but brought to justice? While yes he did not have a formal trial he would not allow himself to have a formal trial. Instead he hid across borders and in caves for almost a decade instead of taking real responsibility for his actions. Why did he do this you ask? Why did he live in a CAVE for a decade? Because he KNEW what he did was wrong and that the vast majority of the world thought so. He is directly responsible for the death of many thousands of people. GOOD people who were not soldiers but stock brokers and bankers at work. We are taking about one of the greatest mass murderers of the 21st century finally getting justice, how you can say he was murdered I have no idea.
2. To the other countries in the world who think it's disgusting. In short you do not know what it is like to as a country be shocked by tragedy like 9/11 was. Yes other countries have had tragedies equal to or greater than 9/11 I am not denying that, but not in very recent history and not of this type. I could be showing my ignorance here I will admit and on this I am happy to revise if someone provides me an example of how I am wrong but our ENTIRE country , the third largest in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population), was unified against this man after the sudden and unprovoked attack on our country. Would countries say we were "disgusting" because we celebrated if we killed the emperor of japan after the pearl harbor attacks? I certainly don't thinks so, yet this is fundamentally the same thing.
3. And finally to the world of Islam. As the president said last night in his speech. We are not now nor have we ever been at war with Islam. If we were, trust me you would know it. But to the issue on hand, I do not understand why you would be upset by this. This man has been one of the, if not the biggest, defacto face to the world for the last decade. This mass murdering psychopath is what represented you and your faith to the world. I truthfully believe that now that he is gone we as cultures can start the healing process and one day learn to live together not as separate ghettoized cultures on two different parts of the world but as a single unified world culture that doesn't see us any different other than we have different faith. Which in the end, is only one difference, if married couples only had to get over "one difference" the divorce rate would be near 0.
I write all this out mostly to address how I feel about those detractors saying that we should not celebrate but I share it for those who agree with me but cannot form their thoughts to a coherent argument. My baser instincts tell make me to wish that they draw and quarter our fallen enemies body and hang bits in front of government buildings, but that will be counter productive and only polarize society more. While I fully condone the celebration of the death of an enemy now that the threat is gone I feel it is time for us to let go of our fears of our Muslim neighbors. That we finally start to tear down these walls of suspicion and prejudice that even those who read this and think "well I don't have those!" have; even I am guilty of this myself. I also still realize that the threat of terrorism is not gone or even substantially abated by his death I see no greater time for us as a country, a culture, as a world, to finally just, let it go. Let go of our suspicion, our anxiety, our wariness, and our fear of the new or not understood and embrace each other as two cultures with much to offer each other. This is not the cold war of the 20th century where one side cannot exist in the presence of the other. This is two large groups of people in a global society who have harbored resentment and anger toward each other for a period of time longer than anyone alive can really comprehend. To close I will include a quote that I think best can encapsulate my feelings on the subject as spoke by who I consider to be a very wise man.
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate, leads to suffering."
Sincerely with all the blessings of God/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster/Shiva/Buddah/Jehovah/Whatever you believe
-Zane Degner
If Osama's death truly means a safer world with fewer deaths of innocents down the road, then I think people should be allowed to celebrate by all means. However, I don't think it's clear that this WILL actually have any effect. We should perhaps calm down a little, seeing as what we've done may not be as important as we think.
Like, I didn't really care. Doesn't mean the war is over. And also @ the A-hole that ran through the hallway of a private apartment complex banging on doors and screaming that Osama is dead....thanks I didn't have to work or anything >.>
True. I'd certainly celebrate if someone managed to bomb the whitehouse, or the US parliament given all the civilian deaths they are responsible for, even though I'd have no desire to do it myself or to see some poor US suburb get attacked.Canid117 said:
Thank you, for people who don't get it here is the answer to the thread.ZeroMachine said:I'm gonna just post some brutal honesty here- fuck anyone who thinks celebrating this man's death is wrong.
He caused the deaths of THOUSANDS. The world is a brighter place without him in it, even just by a little bit.
He's the only person whose death I will openly and unabashedly celebrate. Hitler, too, I supposed, but that's obviously not during my time.
So let me say this here and now:
I AM GLAD BIN LADEN IS DEAD. When I see my friend today, we're going to laugh and smile about it. And if anyone has a problem with that, I'm going to flip them off.
I'm usually not like this... but I feel like this is a chance for the entire world to celebrate, even Muslims. A mass murderer is dead.
*cheers*
EDIT:
I will fuckin party long as i want to after this bastard was dead. Seeing one man cause so much pain and then to finally see him dead, hell yeah I'm gonna celebrate. AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
*takes a bow*dkyros said:Thank you, for people who don't get it here is the answer to the thread.ZeroMachine said:I'm gonna just post some brutal honesty here- fuck anyone who thinks celebrating this man's death is wrong.
He caused the deaths of THOUSANDS. The world is a brighter place without him in it, even just by a little bit.
He's the only person whose death I will openly and unabashedly celebrate. Hitler, too, I supposed, but that's obviously not during my time.
So let me say this here and now:
I AM GLAD BIN LADEN IS DEAD. When I see my friend today, we're going to laugh and smile about it. And if anyone has a problem with that, I'm going to flip them off.
I'm usually not like this... but I feel like this is a chance for the entire world to celebrate, even Muslims. A mass murderer is dead.
*cheers*
EDIT:
When I heard about the death of Osama I was playing portal 2. So it really didn't hit me until much later. Now that I'm really hearing it, all I'm thinking is that the United States is a little bit safer. A little, tiny bit. That's all I feel we got out of this. However, saying that people shouldn't be allowed to celebrate the death of the person who killed thousands of innocent civilians strikes me as bullshit. They should be allowed to celebrate the death of a mass murderer. Hell, everyone should be able to celebrate that.
As for the argument, "It's no different than people celebrating the 9/11 attacks," all I can say is you are utterly daft. 9/11 was the murder of thousands of civilians. This was the death of one mass murderer who killed thousands. That's not even close to the same situation, and I, as well as everyone else with an ounce of logic in their bodies, would call you a moron for assuming it was.
As for the argument, "It's no different than people celebrating the 9/11 attacks," all I can say is you are utterly daft. 9/11 was the murder of thousands of civilians. This was the death of one mass murderer who killed thousands. That's not even close to the same situation, and I, as well as everyone else with an ounce of logic in their bodies, would call you a moron for assuming it was.
However, as this is a gaming website, we should follow game logic. That means we have to recognize that even after killing Osama, we lost pretty hard. Our KDR was like 1 in a few thousand. Personally, I would have ragequit a long time ago.
Small correction: They found out he was living in a million dollar mansion, not a cave.Kalfira said:
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
? Mark Twain
? Mark Twain
Hey, whatever makes you feel good about yourself. I'm sure Osama himself had a very similar mindset.Eri said:
I think celebrating is the best thing anyone can do on this news, the man was a fucking ass hole of the highest degree, he was the cause of many deaths, he was the cause of the war in Afghanistan. If I was an American I'd be celebrating my ass off.
Yeah , maybe we should celebrate the resignation of Julia Guillard? huh?
I agree, not only is it disgusting - it's stupid. I can commend Obama Bin Laden for being able to hide for so long ( whether he is actually dead or not, I think he is still alive), who knows....So all in all - please do not take this as offensive.
But I think I found his secret -he is....
An Afghani-Ninja Grandmaster!
The war has not been won.
I agree, not only is it disgusting - it's stupid. I can commend Obama Bin Laden for being able to hide for so long ( whether he is actually dead or not, I think he is still alive), who knows....So all in all - please do not take this as offensive.
But I think I found his secret -he is....
An Afghani-Ninja Grandmaster!
The war has not been won.
Everyone is looking to us to be the "bigger man/woman/etc." I say F that. We got him, now we're going to enjoy it.
I agree that this situation needs to be handed soberly (in the social and political sense) and having a party about it isn't the best way to help things simmer down, which after all, is what I'd want to see. The end of this war.
The thing is, yes, if he is, in fact dead (I want to see scientific conclusive evidence before I'll accept this fact because this is such a big deal), then it's a blow against terrorism that has caused death to civilians but people aren't celebrating the end of a war here, or the removal of an opressive regime from their own country, it's the death of a wanted man. One wanted man.
When WWII ended there where parties in the streets because the boys were coming home and everyone wasn't going to be bombed any more. This current situation isn't like that because back then, they weren't celebrating the death of Hitler but the start of peace.
When there's peace over all this, I'll be out celebrating peace. May that day soon come.
The thing is, yes, if he is, in fact dead (I want to see scientific conclusive evidence before I'll accept this fact because this is such a big deal), then it's a blow against terrorism that has caused death to civilians but people aren't celebrating the end of a war here, or the removal of an opressive regime from their own country, it's the death of a wanted man. One wanted man.
When WWII ended there where parties in the streets because the boys were coming home and everyone wasn't going to be bombed any more. This current situation isn't like that because back then, they weren't celebrating the death of Hitler but the start of peace.
When there's peace over all this, I'll be out celebrating peace. May that day soon come.