Yes, only I argue that the threat of him is very much alive. Only the man is dead.elbrandino said:Right. That's why I said the threat from him is gone. I'm fully aware a new leader could arise.
I really agree with this guy. The man killed many people and that's an understatement. He killed both innocent and those who knew the risk of fighting him and put the world into an era of fear and hatred. There is nothing disguisting about celebrating his death, justice for those who lost something at his hands.William Catching said:Ummmmm... I don't know about you guys. But Osama was a bit of an asshole, to the point that he killed hundreds upon thousands of his own people and thousands of our own, not including the GIs killed in combat with his followers. And people are complaining? OH NO! THE RADICAL TERRORIST WHO ORCHASTRATED 9/11 AND THE LONGEST WAR IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS DEAD! HOW WILL WE GO ON?!
For those of you who mourn him or do anything les than laugh and dance, you can go and die in a hole.
From what I've seen people on the streets acted pretty decent, no burning of flags, no promises of killings of innocents. In my humble oppinion this will not change US international image at all. They are perfectly justified in celebrating the death of their nations enemy.TheRealCJ said:Yeah, just like the death of Saddam Hussein was then end of the bloodshed in Iraq.Harbinger_ said:I did read to the end and know you don't have a problem with it and I know its not the end of anything yet but as far as I'm concerned it's a start.TheRealCJ said:Again, if you read to the end of the post, I did say that I have no problem with someone celebrating the end of a Tyranny or regime as the result of the death of a person, which I sure is what you meant, but there no end of anything here, it's just a person who has been killed. Al Qaeda is still going strong, and the war can't even see ceasefire with a telescope.Harbinger_ said:I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.TheRealCJ said:I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:
"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.
Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.
"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.
"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.
"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."
Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.
"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.
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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.
"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."
However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.
"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.
Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."
( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )
Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.
I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.
I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.
What do you think?
Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one
Also, I'm pretty sure that every year you don't spill drunkenly onto the streets with a huge flag and yell stuff at traffic. That's the other part I have a problem with.
But I digress, can you not agree that it's people acting like a bunch of drunken yobs on the world stage isn't doing the US any good in regards to international relations.
You may not like the "muslims", but you can't fight them all. So try not to piss of the ones who you AREN'T enemies with by waving your dicks about in their faces.
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Exactly.PixelKing said:Thats FAIR. Hm.
I think thats true that we shouldn't celebrate a man dying.
Well, not make friends with them since the Cold War ended. Before then they were exactly the sort of people the US govt made friends with... as were Saddam Hussien and OsamaHaiman said:Those that will mourn his demise are not the kind of people americans would want to make friends with anyway.
I have nothing for or against muslim or people who vote islam like I said. But yeah I agree that people acting like that aren't really doing the US any good but then again it wouldn't do any country any good.TheRealCJ said:Yeah, just like the death of Saddam Hussein was then end of the bloodshed in Iraq.Harbinger_ said:I did read to the end and know you don't have a problem with it and I know its not the end of anything yet but as far as I'm concerned it's a start.TheRealCJ said:Again, if you read to the end of the post, I did say that I have no problem with someone celebrating the end of a Tyranny or regime as the result of the death of a person, which I sure is what you meant, but there no end of anything here, it's just a person who has been killed. Al Qaeda is still going strong, and the war can't even see ceasefire with a telescope.Harbinger_ said:I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.TheRealCJ said:I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:
"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.
Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.
"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.
"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.
"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."
Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.
"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.
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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.
"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."
However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.
"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.
Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."
( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )
Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.
I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.
I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.
What do you think?
Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one
Also, I'm pretty sure that every year you don't spill drunkenly onto the streets with a huge flag and yell stuff at traffic. That's the other part I have a problem with.
But I digress, can you not agree that it's people acting like a bunch of drunken yobs on the world stage isn't doing the US any good in regards to international relations.
You may not like the "muslims", but you can't fight them all. So try not to piss of the ones who you AREN'T enemies with by waving your dicks about in their faces.
Well, to be fair, how OLD were you in 2001? given the mean age of most of the users here, I doubt that press coverage was paid close attention to ten years ago.MajorDolphin said:A lot of people were disgusted by the celebrations across the middle east on 9/11. I don't remember hearing any Islamic groups getting upset by those celebrations.