Overrated Movies - Which One Do You Hate the Most?

[Fraught]

Only after he got out of prison and was disowned by his family and old friends did I really have any sympathy for him at all.

Well, rinky-dink scooba-roos. That's kind of the point where you're supposed to start feeling sympathy for him. It's supposed to make you feel sorry for a victim of the "horrible" Ludovico Technique, at a time when its effects are made most apparent, much like the writer who's wife he...y'know. It's actually kind of symbolic of me (or, in many cases, I'm sure, the watcher/reader). You used to hate Alex, because he did things that warranted such emotions. And then, he was neutered, made docile. The world gave him back more than he was now giving the world.

But at the same time, when you think back to the beginning, you may feel as if Alex deserves all this, no matter his current state. Kind of similar to the writer (whatever his name was, can't remember), who finds out it was Alex who...y'know...did that to his wife. And to him, of course. Rather than seeing him for what he is now, the way he's being treated and what he receives now, the memories of Alex's horrible deeds triumph.

Oh, trust me. I didn't feel sorry for him as a victim of the technique. I felt sorry for him losing his family. To me, you should be able to count on your family to stay behind you and support you, even if they don't agree with what you're doing. And what I mean by supporting you in this case is that even though they don't approve of the behavior that landed Alex in prison, now that he was reformed they should have welcomed him back and helped him stay reformed rather than kicking him out. He needed that kind of support, regardless of whether or not he took part in some "technique", and not even his family would help him with that, even after he proved that the technique worked and that at least his behavior was truly reformed. Without that support, he was left with nothing, and that's the only sympathy I ever felt for him in the entire movie.

Well, true, true. But I still reckon after getting out of prison hits the specific point in the movie where you're supposed to feel sorry for him, not before (which was our first argument topic), and furthermore, you said you didn't feel sorry for Alex as a victim of the technique, but on the other hand, his going back to his parents and them not accepting him even as he showed them how harmless he is now (due to the technique) makes the impact hit much harder. The impact is, indirectly, the result of the technique.

Had it been the same old Alex, you probably wouldn't be sorry for him (or maybe you would, but not to this extent). He was kind of an asshole, and an all around lunatic. Even if you think that should gather empathy in every circumstance, that his family would leave him, those who should support him no matter what, understanding why his family wouldn't want such a guy as Alex was in the beginning is more understandable. What the Ludovico technique did to him, and how it made him, how it changed him to a (basically) lobotomized do-gooder, is what makes us feel empathy when he's struck at and rejected by everyone, due to a past he can't change, and is slowly starting to regret (according to the book, with the last chapter, at least).

I think that's why Alex changed in the end. He didn't have any choice. Had he been the same old, he'd have struck out against everyone who struck at him, and he'd have been fine, living life like he liked it. But this way, every rejection and attack felt so much more...punishing and having any sort of morals made him realize how people reacted to his deeds, and do to everyone who does the same as he did. I'll bet it was hard for him to forget what was done to him, the fear he experienced, and he understood that when you step over the line, not all people are willing to forgive and forget, no matter how much the person has changed.

 

[shawyer]

Transformers.

I loved the cartoon back in the 80s or whenever it was around on TV. But I just never got back into it again. Fell asleep at the cinema while it played in all its explosive and transforming glory! Meh. I skipped the other transformer movie(ies?) as well.

Never understood the hype behind those movies at all.

 

[blank0000]

I am going to be cannibalized, but everything Quentin Tarantino has done, aside from Inglorious Bastards.

And no, Kill Bill is not deep no matter how you dress it up.

I can't argue with you over an opinion "that'd be crazy-zany madness!" But I did have a question about you thoughts on others finding Kill Bill "deep".

Kill Bill is a throw back to a bunch of exaggerated or ridiculous assassin/samurai movies.
I don't think many people watch Kill Bill or any Tarantino film looking for a deep message. I think his pull as a director is more about making an audience member have a rush of adrenaline or emotion. You liked Inglorious Bastards right? I Agree that movie was AMAZING, but it doesn't have a deep message. It's worth watching because it strikes a lot of emotion cords.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I am going to be cannibalized, but everything Quentin Tarantino has done, aside from Inglorious Bastards.

And no, Kill Bill is not deep no matter how you dress it up.

I can't argue with you over an opinion "that'd be crazy-zany madness!" But I did have a question about you thoughts on others finding Kill Bill "deep".

Kill Bill is a throw back to a bunch of exaggerated or ridiculous assassin/samurai movies.
I don't think many people watch Kill Bill or any Tarantino film looking for a deep message. I think his pull as a director is more about making an audience member have a rush of adrenaline or emotion. You liked Inglorious Bastards right? I Agree that movie was AMAZING, but it doesn't have a deep message. It's worth watching because it strikes a lot of emotion cords.

Oh, I agree Bastards didn't have a deep message, but I have met people who have said things like "When she is slaughtering the 88s you're supposed to realize that they are people to and be suddenly horrified be the scene!" an d the sort.

 

[blank0000]

I am going to be cannibalized, but everything Quentin Tarantino has done, aside from Inglorious Bastards.

And no, Kill Bill is not deep no matter how you dress it up.

I can't argue with you over an opinion "that'd be crazy-zany madness!" But I did have a question about you thoughts on others finding Kill Bill "deep".

Kill Bill is a throw back to a bunch of exaggerated or ridiculous assassin/samurai movies.
I don't think many people watch Kill Bill or any Tarantino film looking for a deep message. I think his pull as a director is more about making an audience member have a rush of adrenaline or emotion. You liked Inglorious Bastards right? I Agree that movie was AMAZING, but it doesn't have a deep message. It's worth watching because it strikes a lot of emotion cords.

Oh, I agree Bastards didn't have a deep message, but I have met people who have said things like "When she is slaughtering the 88s you're supposed to realize that they are people to and be suddenly horrified be the scene!" an d the sort.

hmm, I did not have that reaction, I thought her telling the kid to go home to his mom was funny in a dark way. A lot of folks will over analyze I guess "take a film critic class, you'll see what I mean "

 

[Grayjack]

Can I?

Avatar. I hate Avatar with a fiery passion.

I really didn't find it that pretty and I sure as shit didn't find it any smart. He had the worst, most pandering, most annoying, most obvious set of messages I've ever seen in that film. I thought I would hate it before I saw, but I had no idea.

DISCLAIMER: I have nothing against shallow entertainment. I liked The Expendables. My favorite movie is The Rock.

Avatar just pissed me off so much by pretending to be smart and edgy. It's none of that.

And it wasn't even that good-looking.

I agree 100%.

 

[Verlander]

The Dark Knight. It's not that I hate it per se but I'm not retarded, Christopher Nolan, I don't get my life lessons from superhero movies. You're not deep.
Also didn't like Heath Ledger.

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Also Toy Story 3. I can't believe people ate that shit up, Pixar must be laughing their asses off

 

[MetroidNut]

It pains me to say it, but Blade Runner. I loved the style, the atmosphere was incredible, and the acting was superb. But...the story seemed to meander along, never leading anywhere. I understand that was kind of the point, but still, it didn't make the movie particularly enjoyable for me.

Again, it's a shame. I really wish I had loved it.

 

[CK76]

I don't get the word overrated, if people like it doesn't that mean it's good?

To me "over rated" is the laziest criticism ever created. It tells me far more about the person than the work.

Films have qualities that one enjoys or does not. Too often people condemn a work because it does not suit their tastes and it frustrates them that it does others. So, we should conform to their values or ratings and anything out of their norm is over or under rated.

I can completely understand someone bringing all their experiences and values to a film and coming away with a drastically different impression than me. It doesn't make them wrong or that they "rated" it incorrectly.

Long winded point: I don't think films can have objective ratings as they are never viewed with completely objective eyes.

 

[SonicKoala]

Also didn't like Heath Ledger.

You will. One day. I hope. I really do hope.

You know he only got rewarded for it cause he kinda died, right?

Please, don't go there mate.
I'm begging you.
To each his own opinion, and I'll respect yours.
But you could say that to some folks, and I am not joking, they would hit you for that.
People can get super offended by those kind of comments.

People should grow up then.
Blockbusters and superhero movies specifically don't usually get rewards for acting. I won't say more. I won't argue.

Most superhero movies don't feature tour de force performances akin to the one Heath Ledger gave.

 

[Nieroshai]

Scott Pilgrim. I would explain, but I've done it enough times already.

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It is a very love-or-hate movie. If that EXACT kind of thing isn't your thing, you're going to be disappointed. I loved it, but can see why others won't.

 

[Nieroshai]

The Dark Knight. It's not that I hate it per se but I'm not retarded, Christopher Nolan, I don't get my life lessons from superhero movies. You're not deep.
Also didn't like Heath Ledger.

This X100

Also Toy Story 3. I can't believe people ate that shit up, Pixar must be laughing their asses off

I liked both, but meh. Toy Story was made for kids, so it doesn't even matter if we adults/teens give a rat's ass.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I am about to say two films that may very well get me ostracised from this forum, but Pulp Fiction and Fight club. I found both of them to be overly stylized and I never once found myself involved with any of the characters or their situations.

whaaa? you've never created a alter ego who started clubs of fighting?


Also i really hate hamlet 2. it should the downfall of civilization.

 

[Justank]

The Shining. Minus the last ~fifteen minutes or whatever, it's an incredible movie. Those last fifteen minutes where everything gets completely over the top just killed it for me.

 

[CleverCover]

Can I?

Avatar. I hate Avatar with a fiery passion.

I really didn't find it that pretty and I sure as shit didn't find it any smart. He had the worst, most pandering, most annoying, most obvious set of messages I've ever seen in that film. I thought I would hate it before I saw, but I had no idea.

DISCLAIMER: I have nothing against shallow entertainment. I liked The Expendables. My favorite movie is The Rock.

Avatar just pissed me off so much by pretending to be smart and edgy. It's none of that.

And it wasn't even that good-looking.

Yay! I found other people who didn't think the movie was all that!
Finally!

 

[WitherVoice]

Every single one of my picks would be so-called comedies, I think.

See, for something to be the "most overrated", it would not only have to be rated highly by people, but also be totally horrid in and of itself. I see Avatar get a few good mentions here, and serious or no, Dark Knight also earns some scorn, along with Fight Club, Pulp Fiction... well. It's been a while, but a film I'm sure people WOULD have mentioned a few years back is Titanic... maybe someone did, haven't read EVERYTHING.

Anyway, all the films mentioned were good, in my opinion. Avatar was pretty, cute, simple entertainment with BAWWWW-moments for the girls, manly-man action both for gun bunnies and ninja nuts. Dark Knight was well-performed, straight-faced Batman action the way Batman is supposed to be, Fight Club was amusingly weird, squicky and somehow adorably non-PC, Pulp Fiction... well, I *REALLY* liked Pulp Fiction. Titanic, while I couldn't possibly feel less involved in Leo and whatsername in the main plot, I enjoyed the scenery, the mood, the little stories of the people around the ship, many of whom were well rounded and likeable characters.

However, I've had several experiences with comedies that are lauded as gifts from the gods, and turn out to be unamusing, uncomfortable and uninspired. I remember everyone and their dog telling me how amazing the film I think was called "There's something about Mary" (with Cameron Diaz, I think?), how incredibly funny, how they couldn't stop laughing. I think they spent all the funny, because I did not chuckle once, and I want the time I spent on that back, please.

Yea, as I said, I am perfectly willing to accept that comedy more than any other genre is defined by personal tastes and preferences, I still feel that comedies are the crop from which "the most overrated film ever" simply HAS to grow.

 

[VanillaBean]

Definitly the Watchman movie they just didn't do justice to the ending. Other reasons I didn't like, the sex scene was way to long, the simply wonderful side plots got left out, and the actor who played Ozzymandious (probably spelled wrong) was awful.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I am going to be cannibalized, but everything Quentin Tarantino has done, aside from Inglorious Bastards.

And no, Kill Bill is not deep no matter how you dress it up.

I can't argue with you over an opinion "that'd be crazy-zany madness!" But I did have a question about you thoughts on others finding Kill Bill "deep".

Kill Bill is a throw back to a bunch of exaggerated or ridiculous assassin/samurai movies.
I don't think many people watch Kill Bill or any Tarantino film looking for a deep message. I think his pull as a director is more about making an audience member have a rush of adrenaline or emotion. You liked Inglorious Bastards right? I Agree that movie was AMAZING, but it doesn't have a deep message. It's worth watching because it strikes a lot of emotion cords.

Oh, I agree Bastards didn't have a deep message, but I have met people who have said things like "When she is slaughtering the 88s you're supposed to realize that they are people to and be suddenly horrified be the scene!" an d the sort.

hmm, I did not have that reaction, I thought her telling the kid to go home to his mom was funny in a dark way. A lot of folks will over analyze I guess "take a film critic class, you'll see what I mean "

Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Two words. Scrotie McBoogerballs.
(The kid getting spanked WAS quite funny)

 

[Astoria]

Well reading this thread has made me realise there are some people with very different movie tastes to me.

Anyway, I'll say Superbad. That movie just made no sense to me at all and I didn't find it funny. And I'll also say Where the Wild Things are. That movie is one of the most depressing things I've seen, and it's intended for children?