Parents accused of sexual abuse for taking pictures of their kids

[Charli]

Well damn, guess all our parents are raging Pedo's. Who knew.

GoGo Super Walmart employee team. You've all shown us the horrible truth.


I larfed. Quite alot really.
That poor couple though, must be a nightmare for them.

 

[nezroy]

In America, child protective services is a useless joke. They tear away kids from competent parents and ignore actual problem cases until the kid is dead.

CPS in the US is not a useless joke. It provides an invaluable service that thousands of children are rightly thankful for. It has a noble goal that is in line with what I think most Americans believe society as a whole should do to help one another and the innocent. Despite its flaws, kids as a whole are probably better off in aggregate thanks to the efforts of CPS workers all over the nation.

That said, it is absolutely not a perfect system. There are real issues that need fixing, and hopefully lawsuits like these will help to illustrate some areas of badly-needed reform.

 

[Pendragon9]

I hope the Walmart people die in a fire. This is disgusting abuse of their power. I mean honestly, you can't even take family photos of your kids anymore.Disgusting.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

So what is inherently wrong with paedophiles, it's no more a choice than being gay or being black is, the law preventing you from acting on your sexual desires will just make them stronger so it's inevitable that there will be some Paedophilia in society.

Your argument can also be used to justify cannibalism and serial killers (as mentioned above). The fact remains that pedophilia is wrong, and anyone who attempts to justify it needs to have their head examined. It will never be right, and it will never be accepted - nor will cannibalism or murder.

Charles Manson, Jeffry Dahmer, and BTK had the urge to kill seared into their psyche's. One can also argue that they could not help being what they were. That does not mean they should be accepted by mainstream society.

Pedophilia is indeed WRONG. A young child likely does not understand sexual contact, and the way a child's mind works will not allow it to. To twist one's sexual desires to prey upon the young and innocent will never be right, nor will it ever be accepted in mainstream society. If you honestly believe there is nothing wrong with it, then you need to get some help - FAST.

You need to accept that some things are just wrong - no matter who you try and convince.

That's ridiculous!

Having the urge to kill is not the same as your sexual orientation, PAEDOPHILIA AS A CONCEPT IS NOT INHERENTLY EVIL, acting on it with a child could be described as evil but is still dodgy to simplify things to such a degree.

Paedophilia is not preying on children in the same way that having sex is not preying on people, it's just a social taboo because people can't handle other people having different sexual preferences to them. They can't help it, it's just the way they are, and the fact that every piece of paedophilia related material is strictly prohibited means they're more likely to go out and rape children because they have no other way to express your sexual desires.


Think about it this way, if there was no way of you getting any, no woman would go out with you and porn was illegal, and this had been happening for years, logically, it's possible that you might rape someone, now, as far as you know, paedophiles rape children, but you don't know every paedophile, so it is almost certain that not all, in fact probably not many of them actually go out and rape children, even though it is understandable.

The fact that a child has no consent is obviously why it is such a taboo and this is true, as well as the fact that it can cause mental and physical problems, so it can be logically agreed that paedophiles shouldn't have sex with children.
It is however unfair and stupid not to let them have any sexual outlet at all.

 

[tsb247]

You do not know what paedophilia is, what you are referring to is know as as child molestation.

The two go hand-in-hand. Are you telling me that a pre-pubescent child understands both the physical and emotional baggage that can come with sexual contact with an adult? The fact that anyone could persue it is just sickening. How would you explain it to the child? Most children can't make and honest choice because they don't understand the gravity of such a decision.

To argue that it is something one is born with is also a load of shit. It is a mental disorder as characterized by the DSM IV.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html

http://www.medem.com/?q=medlib/article/ZZZUZRUZGLC

Pedophilia is a (sexual) attraction to pre-pubescent children. Again, it will never be accepted in mainstream society. Don't kid yourself.

Seriously, are you dfending pedophiles? If so, I would like to say that you will win little to no support here. Seriously, seek help - psychiatric help.

 

[Inmate13]

That's ridiculous, how are bath-time photos misconstrued for sexual abuse? It makes my brain hurt.

Zero tolerance is a funny thing nowadays

 

[Nmil-ek]

So the lesson to be learned here?

Go digital.

You do not know what paedophilia is, what you are referring to is know as as child molestation.

The two go hand-in-hand. Are you telling me that a pre-pubescent child understands both the physical and emotional baggage that can come with sexual contact with an adult? The fact that anyone could persue it is just sickening. How would you explain it to the child? Most children can't make and honest choice because they don't understand the gravity of such a decision.

To argue that it is something one is born with is also a load of shit. It is a mental disorder as characterized by the DSM IV.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html

http://www.medem.com/?q=medlib/article/ZZZUZRUZGLC

Pedophilia is a (sexual) attraction to pre-pubescent children. Again, it will never be accepted in mainstream society. Don't kid yourself.

Seriously, are you dfending pedophiles? If so, I would like to say that you will win little to no support here. Seriously, seek help - psychiatric help.

You missed the point yes its an attraction congrats, we dont arrest or persecute people for what they are capable of if that was the case we would all probably be acting on it and murdering people left and right. No there is nothing wrong with pedophilia inherently its a genetic trait, like homosexuals (not arguing this one) Its the causality of acting on it that we persecute, otherwise its no different than saying you hate blacks because of a birth trait.

 

[Starnerf]

You do not know what paedophilia is, what you are referring to is know as as child molestation.

The two go hand-in-hand. Are you telling me that a pre-pubescent child understands both the physical and emotional baggage that can come with sexual contact with an adult? The fact that anyone could persue it is just sickening. How would you explain it to the child? Most children can't make and honest choice because they don't understand the gravity of such a decision.

To argue that it is something one is born with is also a load of shit. It is a mental disorder as characterized by the DSM IV.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html

http://www.medem.com/?q=medlib/article/ZZZUZRUZGLC

Pedophilia is a (sexual) attraction to pre-pubescent children. Again, it will never be accepted in mainstream society. Don't kid yourself.

Seriously, are you dfending pedophiles? If so, I would like to say that you will win little to no support here. Seriously, seek help - psychiatric help.

You just said it's a mental disorder. Do you feel the same way about paranoid schizophrenics, or bipolar disorder, or manic depression? You can defend people with mental issues without having them yourself.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Firstly, can we drop the crap that it's Walmart, or store staff in general, or even America at fault here?

It's PEOPLE, and the same kinda idiocy seems to be happening everywhere with an 'advanced' level of media and legal systems.

I'd say a few naked kid shots, in a larger set, there's no problem, unless there's a visibly excited adult also in frame. However he probably had to report the occurance to his superior.

I would however be looking to fire that employee for talking about the photos to other people, there's got to be a level of privacy involved, and now that family is always going to have some cloud of ambiguity over them, as there's been the accusation, no matter how stupid and how unlikely.

I remember being about 10 in a playground and seeing naked toddlers on the slides and swings etc, and of course, that'll never happen that a kid can be free of worry for the first couple of years of his or her life, because NUDITY IS DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY put it away.

Can we stop this idea that there's a paedophile in ever park bush and on every street corner? yes they exist, but so do cars and they do far more damage, tho I admit they have good sides too unlike the pedos.

There's a serious issue that the media makes pedos out to be some demonic force of evil, when they're just people, and you can't spot one in a line up, no matter what Frankie Boyle says, its not as simple as 'glasses and beard = pedo'. (yes I know it's a joke)

If instead of raw panic, we teach our kids simple honesty and an ability to talk about anything and be free and open, we don't need to wrap em in cotton wool and hide em in their room for the first 18 years. Even that's no guarantee, it didn't go so well for Josef Fritzel's kids.

 

[Ancientgamer]

You do not know what paedophilia is, what you are referring to is know as as child molestation.

The two go hand-in-hand.

Insofar as you yourself, liking healthy, adult women, means you are going to rape them.

Are you telling me that a pre-pubescent child understands both the physical and emotional baggage that can come with sexual contact with an adult?

No, in fact I don't believe I am. In fact, I don't think I even said anything tangentially related to that line of thought. If you're gonna try to bullshit your argument, don't make it so obvious.

And how amusing that you recommend I see a psychologist for correcting you on a fact you got wrong. This is exactly the kind of backwards knee-jerk logic I was talking about.

 

[Deleted]

Definitely not wrong. But at the same time, the lawsuit seems pointless. Though I'm not a parent, whats the point of taking bathtime pics anyways.

Every parent has a special drawer full of things you want destroyed, they'll show parts of it at crucial points in your life like your Graduation, first time bringing your Girlfriend/boyfriend home, or wedding day.

I managed to find all compromising pictures of me and dispose of them before anyone got to see them. Now to find the birth tape...

 

[tsb247]

That's ridiculous!

Having the urge to kill is not the same as your sexual orientation, PAEDOPHILIA AS A CONCEPT IS NOT INHERENTLY EVIL, acting on it with a child could be described as evil but is still dodgy to simplify things to such a degree.

Paedophilia is not preying on children in the same way that having sex is not preying on people, it's just a social taboo because people can't handle other people having different sexual preferences to them. They can't help it, it's just the way they are, and the fact that every piece of paedophilia related material is strictly prohibited means they're more likely to go out and rape children because they have no other way to express your sexual desires.


Think about it this way, if there was no way of you getting any, no woman would go out with you and porn was illegal, and this had been happening for years, logically, it's possible that you might rape someone, now, as far as you know, paedophiles rape children, but you don't know every paedophile, so it is almost certain that not all, in fact probably not many of them actually go out and rape children, even though it is understandable.

The fact that a child has no consent is obviously why it is such a taboo and this is true, as well as the fact that it can cause mental and physical problems, so it can be logically agreed that paedophiles shouldn't have sex with children.
It is however unfair and stupid not to let them have any sexual outlet at all.

One can compare a serial killer and a practicing pedophile quite easily. Both have a predisposition to their behavior based on their on perceptions and perferences surrounding both themselves and the world around them. Those perceptions are generated based on their own thought process that have been developed either as a result of an event in their own lives, or out of some medical problem within their own brain (hormones/neurotransmitter imbalance). Their minds see some need or desire for it, and they choose whether or not to act on it. Even if they do not act on their compulsion, they are still in need of some sort of correction since their thought processes could become damaging at some point - either for them (self-loathing or generally low self-esteem that possibly leads to suicide at some point), or a child that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It either leads to molestation, or brainwashing of an innocent child to satisfy the sick compulsion of some individual.

Some people torture animals and get a big kick out of it. It is also, "unfair," to allow them an outlet, but why should anyone do so? The same could be said for pedophiles. To allow an outlet would simply reinforce their thoughts and behaviors and give them all the more reason to act on them. The funny thing about sex is that there is no ever-lasting satisfaction, but rather the need for more. To allow an outlet would open a door to attempt to top the outlet. The simple answer - It is both psychologically and morally wrong.

Why should society accept a destructive behavior, and to argue that practicing pedophilia is not destructive is probably the biggest fallacy one could argue.

 

[QuirkyTambourine]

Why would anyone ever misconstrue those photos for something sexual? TBH I'm pretty sure there are a couple of bathtime photos of me when I was a baby too hanging around my house, talk about mountains out of molehills

 

[tsb247]

You just said it's a mental disorder. Do you feel the same way about paranoid schizophrenics, or bipolar disorder, or manic depression? You can defend people with mental issues without having them yourself.

I'm speaking specifically about the behavior. My argument is that to practice the behavior is wrong, and it should not be labeled as socially acceptable.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

That's ridiculous!

Having the urge to kill is not the same as your sexual orientation, PAEDOPHILIA AS A CONCEPT IS NOT INHERENTLY EVIL, acting on it with a child could be described as evil but is still dodgy to simplify things to such a degree.

Paedophilia is not preying on children in the same way that having sex is not preying on people, it's just a social taboo because people can't handle other people having different sexual preferences to them. They can't help it, it's just the way they are, and the fact that every piece of paedophilia related material is strictly prohibited means they're more likely to go out and rape children because they have no other way to express your sexual desires.


Think about it this way, if there was no way of you getting any, no woman would go out with you and porn was illegal, and this had been happening for years, logically, it's possible that you might rape someone, now, as far as you know, paedophiles rape children, but you don't know every paedophile, so it is almost certain that not all, in fact probably not many of them actually go out and rape children, even though it is understandable.

The fact that a child has no consent is obviously why it is such a taboo and this is true, as well as the fact that it can cause mental and physical problems, so it can be logically agreed that paedophiles shouldn't have sex with children.
It is however unfair and stupid not to let them have any sexual outlet at all.

One can compare a serial killer and a practicing pedophile quite easily. Both have a predisposition to their behavior based on their on perceptions and perferences surrounding both themselves and the world around them. Those perceptions are generated based on their own thought process that have been developed either as a result of an event in their own lives, or out of some medical problem within their own brain (hormones/neurotransmitter imbalance). Their minds see some need or desire for it, and they choose whether or not to act on it. Even if they do not act on their compulsion, they are still in need of some sort of correction since their thought processes could become damaging at some point - either for them (self-loathing or generally low self-esteem that possibly leads to suicide at some point), or a child that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It either leads to molestation, or brainwashing of an innocent child to satisfy the sick compulsion of some individual.

Some people torture animals and get a big kick out of it. It is also, "unfair," to allow them an outlet, but why should anyone do so? The same could be said for pedophiles. To allow an outlet would simply reinforce their thoughts and behaviors and give them all the more reason to act on them. The funny thing about sex is that there is no ever-lasting satisfaction, but rather the need for more. To allow an outlet would open a door to attempt to top the outlet. The simple answer - It is both psychologically and morally wrong.

Why should society accept a destructive behavior, and to argue that practicing pedophilia is not destructive is probably the biggest fallacy one could argue.

Ok, your morals are obviously different to mine, so asserting something as morally wrong objectively is idiotic.

Giving someone release will make them less frustrated, forcing them to keep it secret will only make them want to do it more.
Paedophile's are not wrong, they are if anything extremely unlucky, and your hatred and assertion of highground over people about something which they have no control over is sickening.

A serial killer wants to kill people because of a mental imbalance and they want to end people's lives, a Paedophile is exactly the same as a Gay person in the same sense that they don't want to cause anyone any harm (in most cases) but to satisfy their sexual urges they have to be with children. THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Murderer's endanger people's lives and often end them, a paedophile doesn't even necessarily have sex with a child and if they do it's out of a completely different compulsion than the one to murder so comparing the two is INVALID.

 

[yossarian787]

I may be in the minority here, but... I'm not convinced the Wal Mart employee did anything wrong.

Wal Mart has rules, presumably strict ones, about the kinds of photos that may be developed there. The employee, developing these photos, saw "portion or outline or genitalia." (sic) Presumably, this is against the regulations, so the employee probably got their manager, because if they hadn't they might lose their job. The manager, similarly, had to report it to the police.

I agree that the family should win the suit against the state and law enforcement agencies, because the case was clearly mishandled at that point. Wal Mart will probably settle out of court, because they don't want the publicity of "Wal Mart involved in pedophilia suit." But don't be mad at the poor guy who just develops photos at Wal Mart; he was just doing his job.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Oh and purely because I can't believe no-one posted it before, if ever there's been a relevant You Tube link, it's Brasseye, the satire Chris Morris wrote about the media's attitude to paedophilia.

Not only was it too intelligent to be understood by any of the TV or newspaper companies, most decided it must be 'pro pedos' and disgusting and called for him to be executed.

The strange thing is, it's about 15 years old and doesn't look too exaggerated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8&feature=channel

Also, for people who don't find the topic interesting, features Simon Pegg of Hot Fuzz fame as a paedophile.

Also a brilliant example of how statistics and figures can be warped to show whatever they want you to see. 'If you classify a child as any person over 30, then over 86% of the UK have committed paedophilia.'

Also a fine section in part 3 about how paedophiles are using online games to get to their victims.

BTW - 'nonce' is british slang for a pedo.

 

[tsb247]

You do not know what paedophilia is, what you are referring to is know as as child molestation.

The two go hand-in-hand.

Insofar as you yourself, liking healthy, adult women, means you are going to rape them.

Are you telling me that a pre-pubescent child understands both the physical and emotional baggage that can come with sexual contact with an adult?

No, in fact I don't believe I am. In fact, I don't think I even said anything tangentially related to that line of thought. If you're gonna try to bullshit your argument, don't make it so obvious.

For your first point, read again. That is not what I am meaning to convey. My point is that pedophiles will never be accepted in mainstream society and shouldn't be because having sex with children is damaging to children. The compulsions to do so are not a sign of a mentally healthy individual, and rationalizing still does not make it a good idea. Society has given in to a good many things, but there are some things that society should not cave to. That's it!

As for your second statement, that was not directed at you. I think you got lost in the quote storm. So no, I am not assuming that you said/think that. It just to unintentionally left in my quote. See farther up in the discussion.