Parents Fight To Use Dead Son?s Sperm To Create Posthumous Grandchild
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Thats really really fucking weird.Fr said:
I mean... its technically the exact same as going to the sperm bank, except he didn't say "yes" about it, and the girl that has the baby (I'm assuming) won't keep it.
Personally, I think they should just adopt a kid.
lol, when I first read this, I was "WHAT THE FUCK!?!??!?!" thinking they dug up their son's body and cut off his balls xD
The grandparents want to have a grandchild by having their dead son impregnate a random women? That doesn't sound right. I mean they might as well clone a grandson then... Personally I wouldn't want my parents creating a grandson using my post-mortem sperm. I think it's better if they just adopted.
I don't see what the problem is.
As long as they can find someone willing to birth the baby of a total stranger and then give it up to other total strangers(it happens, lots of money involved though), I don't know why this would even cause an issue.
As long as they have power of attorney, or whatever the relevant counterpart is, I don't really see how anyone has any right to tell them no.
Unless the mother plans to take it on herself and birth some sort of incestuous downs baby, that's obviously not going to fly anywhere.
As long as they can find someone willing to birth the baby of a total stranger and then give it up to other total strangers(it happens, lots of money involved though), I don't know why this would even cause an issue.
As long as they have power of attorney, or whatever the relevant counterpart is, I don't really see how anyone has any right to tell them no.
Unless the mother plans to take it on herself and birth some sort of incestuous downs baby, that's obviously not going to fly anywhere.
Yeah let it go ahead. I'd pay to see the parents approach women with a turkey baster.
"yeah this is our dead son's spunk. Fancy it?"
As someone who lives in a world of furry and foot fetishes I'm confident some nutter will agree to it.
"yeah this is our dead son's spunk. Fancy it?"
As someone who lives in a world of furry and foot fetishes I'm confident some nutter will agree to it.
In some countries it isn't necessary to give permission yourself, relatives can decide on it, well on the organ part that is. Sperm donating you don't get to decide on. Besides they aren't really donating his sperm, it isn't anonymously to some stranger.The_root_of_all_evil said:
I doubt they'd put it up for adoption. They want a grandchild and want to stay in contact with it.Zaik said:
Consent raises all sorts of questions.
Did he want kids?
Did he plan to have kids with that woman?
Can they give the sperm to a different woman -- say, an ex-girlfriend they particularly liked, but whom he left? An ex WIFE? A woman he never knew?
Would he want his son raised solely by the mother? Or by his parents? What if they hadn't spoken in years? What if either of them had a history of abuse?
What if he was gay?
What if the entire thing flew in the face of his moral principles?
I really don't see any way you can even consider this without informed consent. Seems pretty open and shut, ethically speaking at least -- and leaving aside the what-ifs regarding consent, there's still a lot of gray area to be considered. Could you do this for your son if he was 17? Could you use DNA from a daughter to clone a child? It really becomes a question not only of consent, but of the power of next-of-kin over genetic material.
And once you open THAT box of worms, you've got to look at companies like Monsanto that copyright genetic strands . . . does this mean that genetic data can be legally considered personal property? Should he have to state in his will to whom his genetic power-of-attorney passes, and for what purposes?
I don't know the structure of the Israeli court circuit, but I can guess that were this happening in America, this shit would fly up to the Supreme Court so fast your head would spin.
Did he want kids?
Did he plan to have kids with that woman?
Can they give the sperm to a different woman -- say, an ex-girlfriend they particularly liked, but whom he left? An ex WIFE? A woman he never knew?
Would he want his son raised solely by the mother? Or by his parents? What if they hadn't spoken in years? What if either of them had a history of abuse?
What if he was gay?
What if the entire thing flew in the face of his moral principles?
I really don't see any way you can even consider this without informed consent. Seems pretty open and shut, ethically speaking at least -- and leaving aside the what-ifs regarding consent, there's still a lot of gray area to be considered. Could you do this for your son if he was 17? Could you use DNA from a daughter to clone a child? It really becomes a question not only of consent, but of the power of next-of-kin over genetic material.
And once you open THAT box of worms, you've got to look at companies like Monsanto that copyright genetic strands . . . does this mean that genetic data can be legally considered personal property? Should he have to state in his will to whom his genetic power-of-attorney passes, and for what purposes?
I don't know the structure of the Israeli court circuit, but I can guess that were this happening in America, this shit would fly up to the Supreme Court so fast your head would spin.
it's certainly a little weird, but after the initial insemination it's basically just like having the child of someone who dies right after impregnating you, as opposed to... like... a year before
realistically, there's far worse dysfunction a family can go through, and while it might be a little awkward explaining it to the kid, i don't really see a problem with it...
besides, he might get the opportunity for unbridled sympathy/bragging rights... "your father died before you were born? MINE died before i was even conceived!"
realistically, there's far worse dysfunction a family can go through, and while it might be a little awkward explaining it to the kid, i don't really see a problem with it...
besides, he might get the opportunity for unbridled sympathy/bragging rights... "your father died before you were born? MINE died before i was even conceived!"
And therein lies the problem; it depends who you ask.Lucie said:
To some people, you are still a human being with rights. Nothing should be done without written, clear consent given prior to death.
To other people, the body is just a vessel, and the spirit within is elsewhere now. The human body is just a configuration, and what we do with it now isn't of relavance to the person who'd been using it previously. Some people are very pragmatic about these things.
Me? Fuck, things like this are why I was planning on being set on fire. When I depart this world for the next, I'd rather not leave anything behind. Much less complicated.
Hooray! A somewhat creepy and morally questionable article which for once didn't come out of the US. I'm somewhat happy for us.
Anyway I'd have to say it's a bit creepy and awkward but I see no greater problem with this than any other artificial insemination. As long as the grandparents are still young/able enough to raise the kid I'd say let 'em do it.
Anyway I'd have to say it's a bit creepy and awkward but I see no greater problem with this than any other artificial insemination. As long as the grandparents are still young/able enough to raise the kid I'd say let 'em do it.
Of course they're unorthodox, they're Jewish!
Hmm, well normally if a son dies his belongings will go to his family or as stipulated by the will. The sperm belonged to him, now it doesn't as he is dead, so I suppose it goes to the family.
Which then means they can make the first spawn of a Jewish zombie.
Hmm, well normally if a son dies his belongings will go to his family or as stipulated by the will. The sperm belonged to him, now it doesn't as he is dead, so I suppose it goes to the family.
Which then means they can make the first spawn of a Jewish zombie.
i am surprised about all the people who have a problem with this.
I think its fine.
i have no problem with this.
i have in fact planed for something like this to happen if anything happened to me.
and besides its a Jewish family in all probability so it would not be just the grand parents raising the child.
I think its fine.
i have no problem with this.
i have in fact planed for something like this to happen if anything happened to me.
and besides its a Jewish family in all probability so it would not be just the grand parents raising the child.
