Frankly I think this is good news... It shows that the left-wing government and the right-wing watch group can put aside their differences and join together in their hatred of video games. 
Parents Television Council Calls Game Industry "Thugs" and "Bullies"
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hey is porn legal? havent you seen a show or movie with someone geting beat down? why cant we do these things in a diffrent media?
actualy i have yet to see the game that shows full blown sex
this is just annoying grouchy people trying to make themselfs feel better by targeting a indsutry and harrasing it then trying to juctify it by saying that it "profits from selling sex and violence to children"last time i checked theres a law against selling M (or even T in some cases)to minores without a guardians concent
thats how i see it anyway
actualy i have yet to see the game that shows full blown sex
this is just annoying grouchy people trying to make themselfs feel better by targeting a indsutry and harrasing it then trying to juctify it by saying that it "profits from selling sex and violence to children"last time i checked theres a law against selling M (or even T in some cases)to minores without a guardians concent
thats how i see it anyway
This.Onyx Oblivion said:
+ leeland yee is pulling this crap in a desperate bid to get re-elected. he does not give a damn about kids.
+ violence is a fact of life. so is sex. I am sorry, daddy, that you do not understand that there is a 98% likelihood that your darling little girl is going to one day be having sex, but fucking deal with it, because I am tired of dealing with your bullshit!!
The problem isn't the law they are proprosing. Its that if it does pass we pretty much tell everyone we are not a form of artistic expression and that soon ALL video games will be branded as "meant for children" so any potential video games have for artistic meaning will be lost for good.Scarecrow 8 said:
I realized something while reading posts on this thread:
Modern video games (games that have came out in the last couple years) have more to contribute to the literary, cinematic, and dramatic arts (the 3 parts of movies and TV shows), then recent movies ( same amount of time back as with video games).
Sure we have both had our slasher flicks, but did anyone else notice all the symbolizum and foreshadowing in Alan Wake, so our thrillers are more intellegent.
Well we both have the (for the most part) mindless action flicks, but I find the plot in Modern Warfar 2 has alot more redeeming qualities then The Expendables
Then the multiple mission RPGs and what not like Mass Effect and Fallout, that cinema can't compete with at all. So that's another victory for games by default, making the fact that many of those missions involve deep thought (see Extra Credit) overkill
These jackasses are trying to contral and essentually shoot a developing art form in the knees without know anything about
Modern video games (games that have came out in the last couple years) have more to contribute to the literary, cinematic, and dramatic arts (the 3 parts of movies and TV shows), then recent movies ( same amount of time back as with video games).
Sure we have both had our slasher flicks, but did anyone else notice all the symbolizum and foreshadowing in Alan Wake, so our thrillers are more intellegent.
Well we both have the (for the most part) mindless action flicks, but I find the plot in Modern Warfar 2 has alot more redeeming qualities then The Expendables
Then the multiple mission RPGs and what not like Mass Effect and Fallout, that cinema can't compete with at all. So that's another victory for games by default, making the fact that many of those missions involve deep thought (see Extra Credit) overkill
These jackasses are trying to contral and essentually shoot a developing art form in the knees without know anything about
The PARENTS Television council is saying that the game industry is selling sex and violence to kids, the funny thing is, its the parents buying them. Another thing to point out is that kids can have access to sex and violence on TV too, just a flick of a switch and they can see 2 people boning, right on your flat-screen TVs. Tch, the PTC are a load of bull, don't listen to them.
They're right though.
Who do we think we are, standing up for our rights?
It's unheard of!
But, really?
This is what they're saying?
Who do we think we are, standing up for our rights?
It's unheard of!
But, really?
This is what they're saying?
Read: pushing their strict beliefs upon everyone else.
Ugh, I wouldn't give these people that much attention if I didn't know that alot of people will actually listen to them. I'm hoping that in the end that they don't make that much of a difference, but I'm not so sure that they won't. Plenty of people will hear what they say and listen to them word for word.
And I love how they miss that fact that the rather violent and "sex" filled (you don't really find sex in video games at all, the most you get is some heavy implications after some extra skin is shown as barely anything is actually shown on screen) games are all rated M here in America. Which means that you have to be at least 17 years old to purchase the game. So the only way for a kid to get their hands on one of these games is to (a) have their parents buy it for them (in which case its the parents fault for buying them the game) or (b) borrow it from someone else (once again not the game-maker's fault, the kid would obviously find a way to get the game even if they can't buy it).
Irony sense, tingling!
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised people didn't ***** about that. Hmm....Sir John the Net Knight said:
I bet you they actually have bought M rated games for their kids. And also, why be mad at us. It's not the video game industry who have to care for the child. It's the parents responsibility. So again, people ignore the obvious problem and go ape shit overboard.
Hmmm, bold accusations for somebody attempting to suppress the constitutional rights.
At least I can rest happily knowing that this game fearing generation will soon die out, then we will rule this earth, one way or another.
Goodness, what I'd give to see a anyone in a position of power who can tolerate this media.
Besides, didn't this happen with Metal, D&D, and comic books?
At least I can rest happily knowing that this game fearing generation will soon die out, then we will rule this earth, one way or another.
Goodness, what I'd give to see a anyone in a position of power who can tolerate this media.
Besides, didn't this happen with Metal, D&D, and comic books?
So they're targeting an industry that's already under a biased microscope (What causes a riot at fox news and paraded around as spreading pornography to our children goes by on national TV without so much as an eye getting batted) and already has the highest rate of compliance for any aspect of the entertainment industry and then they act like telling the government straight up that they have first amendment rights and they intend to fight for them...
....and this is bullying? What?
Oh, and apparently responsible parents and citizens need to stand up to the billionaire gaming companies.
That's, what, 6 of them? Do they know how many people actually make an "excessive" wage in the gaming industry?
This is just more people bleating their war cries over and over and praying that their voice is the loudest.
....and this is bullying? What?
Oh, and apparently responsible parents and citizens need to stand up to the billionaire gaming companies.
That's, what, 6 of them? Do they know how many people actually make an "excessive" wage in the gaming industry?
This is just more people bleating their war cries over and over and praying that their voice is the loudest.
This sort of article, and many other claims made by the PTC and other organizations like them, is evidence of a much larger problem when it comes to any sort of civilized debate or sound argument against their points. Making reasonable argument with another person in a forum can at times be like a game of chess, each person making point, counterpoint, and if not actually changing the other person's mind entirely, allowing them a chance to see a different perspective and perhaps concede a point or two.
Arguing with most conservative groups these days is like playing checkers with a six-year old. They like to change the rules, and pretend that their rules don't apply to them.
Any sort of tactic they accuse us of using, they can use themselves in SPADES. They accuse game-players of being bullies and thugs when protesting their first amendment beliefs with shouts and shrill decrying. They accuse the industry and supporters of falsifying facts and fighting with half-truths, while armed with loads of made-up statistics and figures discredited by numerous experts in the fields of psychology and child psychology. They accuse the industry of promoting violence, all while attacking the industry with the vigor of a well trained pit bull going for the jugular...or the balls.
Pointing out facts just makes them embrace their bullshit even more, which is the most frustrating part of the whole ordeal. Things like the ESRB rating system, which clearly describes a game's overall content and its appropriate age group, or the fact that most retailers self-mandate their employees to not sell mature games to clear minors (which I have observed both as a customer and a clerk, myself). All of that is thrown back at the industry for wanting to 'secretly' corrupt their children. And pointing out that it all boils down to the parents accepting their own responsibility for their children is countered as an attack on personal liberty.
I'm reminded of the one moral from the new Battlestar Galactica TV series: All this has happened before, and will happen again. Remember when we had these arguments about books, comics, television, rock and roll music, role-playing games, et cetera? The greatest irony of all of this is that they fail to see the irony of all of this.
My nephew is in the first grade at elementary school, this year, and he likes to play a very fun game with me when I come over to visit. It's called "I win," because...well, he wins.
I never thought I would see fully grown, partially educated people playing this game in real life.
Arguing with most conservative groups these days is like playing checkers with a six-year old. They like to change the rules, and pretend that their rules don't apply to them.
Any sort of tactic they accuse us of using, they can use themselves in SPADES. They accuse game-players of being bullies and thugs when protesting their first amendment beliefs with shouts and shrill decrying. They accuse the industry and supporters of falsifying facts and fighting with half-truths, while armed with loads of made-up statistics and figures discredited by numerous experts in the fields of psychology and child psychology. They accuse the industry of promoting violence, all while attacking the industry with the vigor of a well trained pit bull going for the jugular...or the balls.
Pointing out facts just makes them embrace their bullshit even more, which is the most frustrating part of the whole ordeal. Things like the ESRB rating system, which clearly describes a game's overall content and its appropriate age group, or the fact that most retailers self-mandate their employees to not sell mature games to clear minors (which I have observed both as a customer and a clerk, myself). All of that is thrown back at the industry for wanting to 'secretly' corrupt their children. And pointing out that it all boils down to the parents accepting their own responsibility for their children is countered as an attack on personal liberty.
I'm reminded of the one moral from the new Battlestar Galactica TV series: All this has happened before, and will happen again. Remember when we had these arguments about books, comics, television, rock and roll music, role-playing games, et cetera? The greatest irony of all of this is that they fail to see the irony of all of this.
My nephew is in the first grade at elementary school, this year, and he likes to play a very fun game with me when I come over to visit. It's called "I win," because...well, he wins.
I never thought I would see fully grown, partially educated people playing this game in real life.
Here we go again...
Seriously, why must we put up with these idiots? These people belong on a bad sitcom, NOT IN POSITIONS OF POWER! Holy shit! Why do people listen to them? The whole protecting the children thing is a dead argument anyways. But hell, people in this thread have already said what I was going to say, so I agree with those guys. The only ones in this thread I don't agree with are those that say we should give up or watch and see what happens. That's why shit like this gets chances at getting passed in the first place. Voter and/or consumer apathy. I say we take a stand and defend the constitutional rights of video games before all that is truly freedom gets shunned in favor of control. I say we take a stand before a law gets passed that treats M rated games like narcotics and has police search homes and cars for them and arrest people for "Possession of material offensive to christians and harmful to kids" or whatever. Don't give in so easily. These anti-game officials are practically a minority anyways, most "loonies" are more focused on taking away the rights of gays and muslims.
Seriously, why must we put up with these idiots? These people belong on a bad sitcom, NOT IN POSITIONS OF POWER! Holy shit! Why do people listen to them? The whole protecting the children thing is a dead argument anyways. But hell, people in this thread have already said what I was going to say, so I agree with those guys. The only ones in this thread I don't agree with are those that say we should give up or watch and see what happens. That's why shit like this gets chances at getting passed in the first place. Voter and/or consumer apathy. I say we take a stand and defend the constitutional rights of video games before all that is truly freedom gets shunned in favor of control. I say we take a stand before a law gets passed that treats M rated games like narcotics and has police search homes and cars for them and arrest people for "Possession of material offensive to christians and harmful to kids" or whatever. Don't give in so easily. These anti-game officials are practically a minority anyways, most "loonies" are more focused on taking away the rights of gays and muslims.
