PC>Consoles is A Lie

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KingPiccolOwned

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Yes I understand that the title references something that is considered a PC game although keeping with the point of this thread, that is bullcrap as the Orange Box is in fact available for the 360. Now that that's out of the way, lets get to the point of this.

One thing that has, does, and always will get to me is when people throw out the old "PC are better than consoles" and many things to that effect, particularly mouse & keyboard vs. button pad, but I'll get to that later. The most prominent reason for this is that I am primarily a console gamer, and secondarily because I have been observing the evolution of console gaming these last couple years and have come to the conclusion that console gaming has become essentially up to par with PC gaming. I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.

I can hear even now the "Pshaw, those games (or Oblivion and Fallout 3 anyways) are PC games that you dirty console tards stole from us." My response is simply that if we can put the same game on a console without diluting the expirence to the point of horribly mixed Kool-Aid then what the hell is the significant difference between the two, that makes PC's so great? It all really seems to be driven by the old dogma that console games are all just the gaming equivilent of a Michael Bay film in that they are filled with nothing but endless parades of military hardware, followed by horribly characterized gruff marine badasses who all look and act like they've been abusing steroids for sevral years now.

Okay the fact that the biggest selling franchises on the two consoles that I can really speak for the PS3 and the 360 are exactly this doesn't help, however even PC's have these sorts of games so I don't feel that this is something that they can rightly be criticized for. Usually I look at other games like say Assassin's Creed or Bioshock as counters to these. The strengths of Assassin's Creed lie in it's unique approach to the open world and platforming gaming styles by combining them in an elegant and very well done manner, other strengnths include characters who feel real as opposed to larger than life cutouts, a setting which has been virtually unexplored in the gaming medium, and a story that you actually have to apply yourself to understand, as opposed to boom, zoom, hooray, kapow.

The other example: Bioshock, is one that some might find strange choice because of it being supposedly "dummed down", whether that is really a big issue to you or not is if you really care if it uses the RPG thing to the fullest extent or not, which I don't feel is the biggest criticizm you could make on it. Aside from that all the characters are very well done, You only hear/ see any of the three major characters in the game, player character not included and you can tell what kind of person they are, and well pretty much everything from the first minute of Yahtzee's review of it is a major plus.

In closing I felt that I should address the button pad vs. mouse and keyboard issue I brought up earlier. I have never understood the this argument in PC>Consoles, because I have never played a current generation game that gave me any true problems like this, not even Turok. I gather that the idea stems from PC central gamers who try to start playing a game using a button pad, and their inexperience with that kind of control scheme causes them to play not as well. Obviously then, since they are so good at the game on PC the problem is with the controler not them. I figured this out when I went to play CoD 4 on a friends house on his computer and couldn't aim for shit, then when I got it myself for my 360 everything came like a charm. So it is like my old band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."
 

Curtmiester

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I smell fire...sorta.
Also, who cares? Everyone has different opinions and your treating this like your opinion is the only one.
 

iggyus

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Curtmiester said:
I smell fire...sorta.
Also, who cares? Everyone has different opinions and your treating this like your opinion is the only one.
And this
 

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I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.

I can hear even now the "Pshaw, those games (or Oblivion and Fallout 3 anyways) are PC games that you dirty console tards stole from us."
Stole? No. But they aren't console exclusive. All of those you listed are available for the PC.

In closing I felt that I should address the button pad vs. mouse and keyboard issue I brought up earlier. I have never understood the this argument in PC>Consoles, because I have never played a current generation game that gave me any true problems like this, not even Turok. I gather that the idea stems from PC central gamers who try to start playing a game using a button pad, and their inexperience with that kind of control scheme causes them to play not as well. Obviously then, since they are so good at the game on PC the problem is with the controler not them. I figured this out when I went to play CoD 4 on a friends house on his computer and couldn't aim for shit, then when I got it myself for my 360 everything came like a charm. So it is like my old band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."
You can use game pads with the PC with very little in regards to extra peripherals.

Can consoles say the same for Mouse+Keyboard?
 

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KingPiccolOwned said:
One thing that has, does, and always will get to me is when people throw out the old "PC are better than consoles" and many things to that effect, particularly mouse & keyboard vs. button pad, but I'll get to that later. The most prominent reason for this is that I am primarily a console gamer, and secondarily because I have been observing the evolution of console gaming these last couple years and have come to the conclusion that console gaming has become essentially up to par with PC gaming. I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.
Those games have MUCH better graphics on PC. Also, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were practically unplayable for me due to boringness until I got a lot of mods for both. This is a huge thing for me. Medieval 2 was a fun game. You have coding skills and a dedicated team? Well, then you can make Medieval 2 into Third Age:Total War, [http://www.moddb.com/mods/third-age-total-war] a mod that is better than most retail games.

KingPiccolOwned said:
I can hear even now the "Pshaw, those games (or Oblivion and Fallout 3 anyways) are PC games that you dirty console tards stole from us." My response is simply that if we can put the same game on a console without diluting the expirence to the point of horribly mixed Kool-Aid then what the hell is the significant difference between the two, that makes PC's so great? It all really seems to be driven by the old dogma that console games are all just the gaming equivilent of a Michael Bay film in that they are filled with nothing but endless parades of military hardware, followed by horribly characterized gruff marine badasses who all look and act like they've been abusing steroids for sevral years now.
Your view is fine for FPS and RPG games. But tell me, how do you plan to bring RTS games to consoles and have them work at all? The only RTS that was even moderately succesful for the 360 was Halo Wars, and that was a dumbed down piece of crap that all my friends regretted buying.

KingPiccolOwned said:
In closing I felt that I should address the button pad vs. mouse and keyboard issue I brought up earlier. I have never understood the this argument in PC>Consoles, because I have never played a current generation game that gave me any true problems like this, not even Turok. I gather that the idea stems from PC central gamers who try to start playing a game using a button pad, and their inexperience with that kind of control scheme causes them to play not as well. Obviously then, since they are so good at the game on PC the problem is with the controler not them. I figured this out when I went to play CoD 4 on a friends house on his computer and couldn't aim for shit, then when I got it myself for my 360 everything came like a charm. So it is like my old band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."
Problem here is the controller doesn't have enough buttons for most of the games I play. Tell me, how am I supposed to have my hotkeys for 9 control groups, as well as 5 base buildings on a controller?
 

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Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?
 

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What determines what makes a good console? Ultimately, it is the library of games available on the console.

Now both PC and the consoles have good games. However, PC has one thing that consoles lack: mods. Without mods, consoles will never be as good for gaming as computers. Mods can improve a good game, and in some cases make a terrible game playable. Mods allow you to alter and change your games in almost any way you desire. That's just not an option on consoles.

NOTE: This is just my personal opinion. I have nothing against consoles, considering I own some of them.
 

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Considering the very title of this thread is stating an opinion as a fact, I do not foresee this ending well at all.
 

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First, PC controls are better for FPSs, RPGs and Strategy games, while consoles are better for Fighting, Racing and Platforming games. Also, the whole 'you dirty console tards stole from us' thing is because the precursers to Oblivion and Fallout 3 are far more complicated games with more depth and in the Elder Scrolls case, a more immersive landscape. For another example, Deus Ex 2 (And don't get me started on Civ Revolution). There are many good console games, I will say, and Bioshock is my favourite game, but overall, there is so much more you can do with a game developed specifically for PC.
 

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Anybody smell something burning?

Seriously though, I don't think consoles are stupid, but I prefer a PC.

You missed one of the bigger things in PC gaming in your little rant anyways, mods.

The ability to mod most PC games give them a HUGE advantage over console games I'm afraid. Especially Fallout 3 and Oblivion (since you mentioned them.)
 

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ohgodalex said:
Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?
Couldn't have said it better. Why do people have to provoke a war? We're all still gamers at heart.
 

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Whether PCs or consoles are superior is an opinion that varies from person to person, and there really is no correct answer to this tired, trite debate.

I hate to sound grumpy, but there are an abominable number of topic like this popping up these days, and none of them really have an answer. =S
 

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KingPiccolOwned said:
I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/7670/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/15100/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/17460/

My god, all on steam and all for $20?
 

KingPiccolOwned

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ohgodalex said:
Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?
Believe me I would like nothing more, but until someone says it no one will believe it.

KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
True, it is a lie. PC = Consoles is the correct equation.
My point precicely.
 

Sprogus

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Yeah, kind of a big who cares. Both platforms have their advantages and disadvantages, the annoying thing with both platforms are the fanboys.
 

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crazyhaircut94 said:
ohgodalex said:
Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?
Couldn't have said it better. Why do people have to provoke a war? We're all still gamers at heart.
Exactly my opinion. I am a die hard PC gamer, I always was but I love playing on consoles.
 

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ohgodalex said:
Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?
Because every PC Gamer is an elitist and every console Gamer is a Fanboy. Vocal Minorities are sure nice to have around.
 

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For me, the biggest difference isn't the hardware itself, it's the associated furniture. The typical setup for me is desk and chair for pc and couch or big comfy seat for console. I think this has something to do with me preferring pc's for turn based strategy and sim games and consoles for hack-n-slash explody games.